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Old 05-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #1
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Well that was fast (Mini price drop at Amazon)

Looks like Amazon is now direct selling the Mini for $88 with free shipping. Not an earth shattering adjustment but interesting to see it happen this quickly. I suspect demand might be low for the Mini.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:21 PM   #2
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Looks like Amazon is now direct selling the Mini for $88 with free shipping. Not an earth shattering adjustment but interesting to see it happen this quickly. I suspect demand might be low for the Mini.
That is a nice 12% discount. That means that you can also get it from Best Buy for the same price too since they will match Amazons price.

Although you can only get the price match at the time of the sale. You can't come back after purchasing to get it.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:13 PM   #3
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I suspect demand might be low for the Mini.
Demand for a TiVo product low? Go figure.
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Looks like Amazon is now direct selling the Mini for $88 with free shipping. Not an earth shattering adjustment but interesting to see it happen this quickly. I suspect demand might be low for the Mini.
I got the Mini at the full $99 when it first came out, sold off my TPs and purchased TP-4, I got about $30 more for my TPs at that time then I could get now, so I made out, if your upgrading by selling off your old TiVos on E-bay, waiting until the new hardware goes down in price may not get you much if any savings. IE in April I got $349 for the TiVo-HD for some friends, now I can only get $329.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:43 PM   #5
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If demand is low, I figure it's because most people who wanted one has bought it by now. I suspect the lower price will get some that are waiting out the "early adopter" period.
Otherwise, I think the Mini sales will stagnate until TiVo can get the next line of DVRs out.
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Old 05-11-2013, 08:23 PM   #6
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If demand is low, I figure it's because most people who wanted one has bought it by now. I suspect the lower price will get some that are waiting out the "early adopter" period.
Otherwise, I think the Mini sales will stagnate until TiVo can get the next line of DVRs out.
Also how many people outside this forum even know about the Mini, I got a few friends to upgrade to the Mini, but I knew about Moca and POE filter, you think the average consumer knows about that stuff.
The Mini is (IMHO) a test run for the next release of new TiVo products this fall when TiVo can advertise the total home solution for their DVR. 6 tuners and 3 or 4 Minis using only one cable card/A/O, and groups by person than by show, and also breaking the 2.2Tb drive barrier. Also HD parent control could turned on as little Johnny can have his own set of shows under his name.
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:53 AM   #7
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I would agree with lessd that most people who aren't actively watching the TiVo world probably don't know about it. Also, it only works with a 4-tuner box, so it's appeal is limited.

Also, you need to be in the market for another device.

And there are some that are waiting for the dynamic tuner support before pulling the trigger.


When you put all of that together you get a demand curve with a sharp spike for the early adopters then a drop as that market is satisfied. The next spike will happen when the new software is available.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #8
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I don't even see it as a 12% discount since factoring in lifetime it's really $250->$238 =~ 5% discount.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:31 AM   #9
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Demand for a TiVo product low? Go figure.
Well it's kind of crippled without DTA.
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:55 PM   #10
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The service fee doomed this product. If I weren't so deeply entrenched into the Tivo ecosystem I also would've scoffed at this offering.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:42 PM   #11
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What does the cable company charge each month for a Client streaming box?
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What does the cable company charge each month for a Client streaming box?
I don't think anybody can give the price for any given service that cable co.s offer as people have deals that include all kinds things.

As example I pay $1 /month for each cable card (the price drop this month from $1.15 for some unknown reason) and no A/O fee, so for 4 cable cards I pay $4.36/month inc the 9% tax
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2nd Cablecard 05/25 - 06/24 $4.00
Same Outlet.
Qty 4 @ $1.00 each


My friend pays $7.45 for each cable card (and I guess an A/O charge) + 9%tax for a total of $48.73/month, if he paid what I pay his cost would drop $42/19 per month.
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Add'l Digital Outlet 05/03 - 06/02 $7.45
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Digital Additional 05/03 - 06/02 $37.25
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So go figure.
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Amazon is now sold out of their Mini's - showing one to three week availability. 3rd party sources still have it.
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Amazon is now sold out of their Mini's - showing one to three week availability. 3rd party sources still have it.
Sold out? Wow, demand must be dropping fast
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Sold out? Wow, demand must be dropping fast
We now know they (Amazon) sold about 20 Mini's over the weekend.

I'm guessing at this point they are probably selling about 10/day, 300/mo, 900/qtr, 10,000/yr.

I expect that TiVo sold about 10,000 Mini's during their quarter ending 4/30/2013... we will have a good idea of the quantity sold when TiVo reports on 5/20.
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I'm guessing at this point they are probably selling about 10/day, 300/mo, 900/qtr, 10,000/yr.
How did 10 per day become 10k per year? Have you converted to the new metric 1000-day year already?
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How did 10 per day become 10k per year? Have you converted to the new metric 1000-day year already?
He said 900 per quarter, you all know we now have 11 quarters in the new year.
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How did 10 per day become 10k per year? Have you converted to the new metric 1000-day year already?
That's a holdover from the fact that computer people call 1024 as kilo, 1048576 as mega, and so on when according to SI, a kilo is in fact 1000 and mega is 1000000. The prefixes giga and tera are even worse.

So, the same issue is at play here, where a kiloday in SI is 1000 days, but us sloppy computer types have rounded a year to be equal to a kiloday. Instead of that 365.24 days per year nonsense, we just round up.

It makes the math much simpler. Far less correct, of course, but simpler.


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The service fee doomed this product. If I weren't so deeply entrenched into the Tivo ecosystem I also would've scoffed at this offering.
But what's the alternative? TiVo is the only decent DVR system for cable that's out there. It shows how small the market is too, as there is so much that TiVo is so far behind in, yet they don't have the competition to whip their butts into motion. I'd love to see a competitor to really knock it out of the park, but there probably isn't a big enough market for them.
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But what's the alternative? TiVo is the only decent DVR system for cable that's out there. It shows how small the market is too, as there is so much that TiVo is so far behind in, yet they don't have the competition to whip their butts into motion. I'd love to see a competitor to really knock it out of the park, but there probably isn't a big enough market for them.
The cable co DVR swamps the market with no upfront cost and full in house service and upgrades without extra cost, + only one co to call if having problems, and no cable card issues. I personally would not trade from my TiVos as I love them and know how to fix most TiVo problems without much cost, and many on this forum may also have the same feeling but the general public not so much, I have 3 close friends + my kids with TiVos and I am the one who they call if they are having any TiVo problems, I don't suggest TiVo to any more friends.
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But what's the alternative? TiVo is the only decent DVR system for cable that's out there. It shows how small the market is too, as there is so much that TiVo is so far behind in, yet they don't have the competition to whip their butts into motion. I'd love to see a competitor to really knock it out of the park, but there probably isn't a big enough market for them.
The new 6 tuner infiniTV 6 with Windows Media Center and WMC extenders (XBox, Echo, etc) is an alternative. And there are no lifetime or monthly fees. That is what kept me from staying with TiVo this time.
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Microsoft has discontinued development of MCE so I'm not sure how much longer that's going to be a viable alternative.
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Just because they discontinued development doesn't mean they discontinued support. They still sell licenses too. The product is already mature, has a great full HD GUI and pretty stable, which is tough to say for these other solutions.
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I'm not saying it's going away tomorrow, but unless they change their mind it'll likely go away when support for Windows 8 stops. And it'll likely get stagnent long before then.
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By then I'll have recouped my investment and it'll be moot anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the TiVo P4 and two minis I had, but I couldn't in good conscience spend an extra $697 just for lifetime services. (P4 LT $399, mini LT $149 x 2 = $697) when I could get the same if not better results with the PC WMC WH DVR solution.
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Too each their own. I had an HTPC for a while and didn't really care for the MCE UI. Plus if you look at it objectively and build a complete HTPC system from scratch, plus two XBoxes or Echos, the price difference compared to TiVo isn't that much. And if you consider how much more power an HTPC will draw compared to a TiVo in the long run you're probably not saving much at all.
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the TiVo P4 and two minis I had, but I couldn't in good conscience spend an extra $697 just for lifetime services. (P4 LT $399, mini LT $149 x 2 = $697) when I could get the same if not better results with the PC WMC WH DVR solution.
Out of curiosity, what was the hardware cost for your PC WMC WH DVR solution?
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Out of curiosity, what was the hardware cost for your PC WMC WH DVR solution?
I ran some quick calculations on Amazon and, starting from scratch, you can build an HTPC with 4 tuner Ceton card for about $700. If you really bargain hunt you might be able to do it cheaper. And of course if you already have parts to use, or a license to Windows, then it would be even cheaper.
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Out of curiosity, what was the hardware cost for your PC WMC WH DVR solution?
Well not taking into consideration what I already had and would have had regardless (Xbox for son, HP quad core PC, DirecTV DECA) I bought the new infiniTV6 $299, another used XBox $125 and an HP X280n for $90.
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I ran some quick calculations on Amazon and, starting from scratch, you can build an HTPC with 4 tuner Ceton card for about $700. If you really bargain hunt you might be able to do it cheaper. And of course if you already have parts to use, or a license to Windows, then it would be even cheaper.
Gesh, I just googled around regarding the extenders.

If the wikipedia page is correct, it looks like market support for MCE is pretty much gone already.

So a new, supported MCE extender is either $179 (Echo) or $199 (Xbox)?

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