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Old 04-30-2013, 01:45 PM   #31
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[quote=Zevida;9637408] Peggy so far has resisted sleeping with coworkers, let's keep it that way. [quote]

More like she learned her lesson early on. Sleep with one coworker, have disastrous result!

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It was interesting the difference in interaction between Peggy & her secretary and Don/Dawn/Joan. Just the difference in the hugs was striking.
I thought Peggy's hug was awkward since she's not really a hugger.

No no, turned out I hadn't even scratched the surface of awkard!

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So about Don's statement at the end: was he basically saying he didn't live his kids and felt nothing for them until they were old enough to do something to warrant that love? And that he felt guilty for going through the motions?
He was saying he started out by going through the motions because you're supposed to love your kids and then eventually fell in love with them. "Fake it 'til you make it."
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:56 PM   #32
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More like she learned her lesson early on. Sleep with one coworker, have disastrous result!
And for Peggy, she had to sleep with a second one just to make sure.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:02 PM   #33
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Even though I sympathized with Pete, I was hoping Harry would punch him in the face.
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My Mad Men recordings have had the last three minutes clipped for every episode since this season's premiere two parter.
AMC & FX, pad all shows by 5 mins.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:02 PM   #35
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And for Peggy, she had to sleep with a second one just to make sure.
refresh my memory...the only one i recall is Pete. who else?
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:09 PM   #36
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refresh my memory...the only one i recall is Pete. who else?
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:21 PM   #37
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Not while they were coworkers.
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Not while they were coworkers.
Ah, you're right! It was just one active coworker for Peggy.
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I wonder why some have to pad their recordings. I just have a straight up SP for this show, with no particulars except 'new only' and I have never had it cut off. Same goes for the other few AMC shows I watch.

After reading this thread I think I need to watch the ep again. I think I missed some stuff. oy - I know better than watch it as the last show I watch before bedtime.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:47 PM   #40
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What about the "West 80s" Peggy's boyfriend mentioned? That's probably a pretty expensive area nowadays.
Yeah, Upper West Side. But during the Mad Men run, that was a particularly run-down area still filled with tenements. My older coworker who used to live in Manhattan and always fills us with vintage stories about the place said that when he lived in Manhattan in the mid 60s, 81st-90th street was where you went to get mugged, and had several of the worst run-down blocks in the city. But it was a very multicultural area, and one of the larger "gay areas".
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Yeah, Upper West Side. But during the Mad Men run, that was a particularly run-down area still filled with tenements. My older coworker who used to live in Manhattan and always fills us with vintage stories about the place said that when he lived in Manhattan in the mid 60s, 81st-90th street was where you went to get mugged, and had several of the worst run-down blocks in the city. But it was a very multicultural area, and one of the larger "gay areas".
When was Lincoln Center built? I'd guess hack g something like that in the area went a long way toward revitalizing the Upper West Side.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:03 PM   #42
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When was Lincoln Center built? I'd guess hack g something like that in the area went a long way toward revitalizing the Upper West Side.
Built 1955-1969, first opened 1962.
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I think Don had a paternal epiphany for Bobby at the movies when Bobby said, "When people are sad, they go to the movies." If you watch again, Don looks admiringly upon Bobby for the much of the rest of the scene. Fast forward to later that night in the scene with Don and Megan sitting on the side of the bed and I think Don's epiphany is the source of his despairing soliloquy.

Now, fast forward again to when Don and Bobby are in bed and Bobby says something like, "I'm afraid that Henry might get shot [too]." Don had to be absolutely crushed by that comment. Here he is finally learning to love his son, but Bobby is bonding with Henry, not Don. Don must realize now he screwed up his chance to have a father/son relationship with Bobby, which in turn smacks Don in the gut, reminding him of his own failed paternal relationship.

In despair, Don handles it by going out onto the balcony, isolating himself. "Oh, my God, what a failed human being I am" Don must be saying to himself as he looks out on the violent world in despair itself.
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When was Lincoln Center built? I'd guess hack g something like that in the area went a long way toward revitalizing the Upper West Side.
Late 50s to 1969. Some folks say it revitalized things. Others that it destroyed the neighborhood
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I think Don had a paternal epiphany for Bobby at the movies when Bobby said, "When people are sad, they go to the movies." If you watch again, Don looks admiringly upon Bobby for the much of the rest of the scene. Fast forward to later that night in the scene with Don and Megan sitting on the side of the bed and I think Don's epiphany is the source of his despairing soliloquy.

Now, fast forward again to when Don and Bobby are in bed and Bobby says something like, "I'm afraid that Henry might get shot [too]." Don had to be absolutely crushed by that comment. Here he is finally learning to love his son, but Bobby is bonding with Henry, not Don. Don must realize now he screwed up his chance to have a father/son relationship with Bobby, which in turn smacks Don in the gut, reminding him of his own failed paternal relationship.

In despair, Don handles it by going out onto the balcony, isolating himself. "Oh, my God, what a failed human being I am" Don must be saying to himself as he looks out on the violent city in despair itself.
It also must be terrible for him that he finally spent some meaningful time with his son and he felt like they finally had a little bit of a bonding moment and then he comes home and has to hear what a horrible parent he is because he left Megan to take care of Sally and Gene. He can't win.
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I was giggling at Peggy's giddiness over Abe's comment about how he always "thought they'd raise their children in a more multi-cultural environment."*

She restrained herself from jumping into his lap, and acted like it was just about the Upper East Side comment, and it was absolutely adorable!

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Old 04-30-2013, 11:05 PM   #47
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More than 185K that's for sure. But York is quite the walk to the subway. So I would guesstimate around 250K.
1300 sqft, elevator and doorman, in UES (even that far east) is looking closer to 3 times that, or around a $750k, starting.
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I was giggling at Peggy's giddiness over Abe's comment about how he always "thought they'd raise their children in a more multi-cultural environment."*

She restrained herself from jumping into his lap, and acted like it was just about the Upper East Side comment, and it was absolutely adorable!

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That was a great reaction by Peggy, but it highlights again how she and Abe are not on the same page at all about life. All she hears is "kids" and she doesn't see how disconnected their lives are. They are too different with such different priorities and views on life.

On a different note, I thought Bobby was going to spoil the end of the movie for the usher. I was really worried about it!
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:56 AM   #49
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Male here. Gotta admit I didn't realize why Peggy reacted the way she did. Thanks for cluing me in.
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Male here. Gotta admit I didn't realize why Peggy reacted the way she did. Thanks for cluing me in.
I didn't really even notice Peggy's reaction. Also male.
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Boy, I am a male, hardly considered to be keyed into sensitivity to emotions or empathy but it seemed very obvious to me that Peggy was over the moon by the "raise our kids" comment.

She looked very cute for the rest of that scene. Wonderful.
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Anyone else think Ginsberg was totally channeling Woody Allen on his "date" with the schoolteacher. That scene had me cracking up!
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As an aside, I'm with Bobby. That wallpaper being misaligned would bug that crap out of me. At that age I probably would have done the same.
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I didn't notice, but Cutler who Peggy introduced to Megan was played by Harry Hamlin. The podcast I listen to that did a recap suggested we will see more of him in the future because you don't cast a big name like that for a scene that short.
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I didn't notice, but Cutler who Peggy introduced to Megan was played by Harry Hamlin. The podcast I listen to that did a recap suggested we will see more of him in the future because you don't cast a big name like that for a scene that short.
I have to stretch to stop thinking of his Shameless role.
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Boy, I am a male, hardly considered to be keyed into sensitivity to emotions or empathy but it seemed very obvious to me that Peggy was over the moon by the "raise our kids" comment.
It was totally obvious. Just not to me.

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I didn't notice, but Cutler who Peggy introduced to Megan was played by Harry Hamlin. The podcast I listen to that did a recap suggested we will see more of him in the future because you don't cast a big name like that for a scene that short.
Firewall and Iceberg? I agree that you wouldn't cast him for a 3 minute scene and then never bring him back. And like Alan and Dan said, this show did the same thing when they used Ray Wise as Ken's father-in-law. He appeared once in a throwaway scene, and then came back several episodes later. But in this case, it's even more logical that he'll be back, since if we're following Peggy at her new job, it only stands to reason we'll start meeting more of the people she works with/for.
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Now, fast forward again to when Don and Bobby are in bed and Bobby says something like, "I'm afraid that Henry might get shot [too]."
I did love Don's reply, to the effect of, "Don't worry, Henry's not that important".
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As an aside, I'm with Bobby. That wallpaper being misaligned would bug that crap out of me. At that age I probably would have done the same.
The point of that was to show bobby once again being a pathological liar.
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I have finally caught up to the most recent episode after taking the last 6 months to watch the rest of the series on and off. Yeah, Mad Men won the shootout against Breaking Bad as the show I wanted to watch (I deleted my saved BB episodes after I realized I had no real desire to watch them). After learning the characters the show became a lot less boring and a lot more interesting.

So, on this season and episode. Was Don's new love interested introduced before this season? It seems they threw him into bed with her without much pretense. I didn't realize though it was the nurse from ER until I looked her up in the credits. I'm not really liking this as it seemed up until this hookup Don looked like he had no intention of wanting to cheat on Megan. I guess it's her new career that's driving him there? Seems superficial.

Don always had a dark side but this season he's really downright creepy. The looks he gave Megan when she acted out the kiss was pretty scary.

Don has really been cold to his kids from the get go, but I think a lot of that was Betty being the overbearing mom. I used to like Betty, but her character has gotten weird too. And yeah, while I generally am attracted to brunettes, it doesn't work on her. Makes Betts look old.

Peter, to me needs a comeuppance. I was so hoping Harry would punch him in the face. And considering Harry's position at the company, I'm surprised he's not been made partner. But I understand that the core group is probably reluctant to give up shares of the company.

Peggy is definitely trying to be Don. In that era a woman acting like that would be considered a biatch, and would probably gain LESS respect from coworkers. It's wrong obviously. I find it interesting in the wake of the book put out by the Google CFO recently about women in the workplace and that exact perception.

I found it kind of interesting watching all the white employees, "apologizing" to all their black colleagues after the murder of MLK as if they had lost a member of the family. The fact they were going to close the office early made me remember that my school had been closed the next day in "remembrance" but I realize now it was probably more of a security thing.

As for the 2nd Avenue subway, that line has been talked about for 50 years or more...and they are actually finally building it. Where Petty would have lived is a few LONG crosstown blocks to the subway. If you've walked in Manhattan, you come to realize that two blocks CROSSTOWN is a long walk and can take you some time...especially up hill (that part of Manhattan is a bit hilly if I recall). Walking along the avenues is a lot shorter walk.
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