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Old 01-10-2013, 10:26 PM   #1
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I have been watching, and think it's pretty good.

I do however think I have deduced the identity of Moriarty. It is Sherlock's father.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:39 PM   #2
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:50 PM   #3
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Very much enjoy the show.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:14 PM   #4
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Yes, it is one of the few shows that both me and the wife enjoy.

Some people might be "offended" by the liberties being taken with the source material but it is really so different from the original that it doesn't bother me.

I can just take the show as a mystery series with a guy named Sherlock and a woman named Watson.

I was wondering how the writers are going to turn the young black kid into the "Baker Street Irregulars" but so far no such luck.

The show really does have some pathos with Sherlock being the recovering addict and estranged from his father. I like my heroes flawed but brilliant.
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Enjoying the show over here as well.

Has there been any reference to Moriarty yet?
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:27 PM   #6
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Enjoying the show over here as well.

Has there been any reference to Moriarty yet?
In the latest episode the serial killer M said Moriarty is his employer.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:38 PM   #7
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In the latest episode the serial killer M said Moriarty is his employer.
Oh, I haven't watched last night's episode yet.
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Yes, it is one of the few shows that both me and the wife enjoy.

Some people might be "offended" by the liberties being taken with the source material but it is really so different from the original that it doesn't bother me.
There may be some "liberties" but there are also some things that are dead on to some of the stories. One I noticed right off was when Sherlock was at the morgue (or hospital?) and Watson comes in to find him strangling dead people to test strength needed and markings. It's almost an exact replay of a scene in A Study in Scarlet. I loved that they did that.

There are other things, Watson being a big gun shy about surgery and medicine is right on because in the novels he was recovering from war and had what now may be considered Post Traumatic Stress.

Anyway, I am really enjoying both the show and rereading the novels.

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:15 PM   #9
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a more detailed discussion about the episodes can be found here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=497398

(just thought I'd share)
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #10
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I can just take the show as a mystery series with a guy named Sherlock and a woman named Watson.
You're not going to believe this one, but I had an Uncle Romeo and Aunt Juliet. Their last name was King.
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a more detailed discussion about the episodes can be found here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=497398

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I like that thread too!
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Anyway, I am really enjoying both the show and rereading the novels.

Kindle - free

http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-S...+holmes+kindle
I got a kindle paperwhite for Christmas and I love it. I haven't really read seriously for, well, decades. I was actually thinking I should read the novels. I may have read some of them a long time ago but really most of my knowledge of Sherlock Holmes comes from old movies/tv shows. But I'm already overwhelmed by the sheer amount of available reading out there.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:31 PM   #13
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a more detailed discussion about the episodes can be found here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=497398
But that is not an episode or season thread, so spoilers are not appropriate. I recommend using this thread for discussing the episodes.
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I noticed that the text that Watson received was from "M. Holmes". Does anyone remember if the series has given Sherlock's father's name? There was that episode where Watson thought she was going to meet him, did his name get mentioned?

The books never mentioned the name of Sherlock's father.

Anyway, I think Sherlock's father being M-something is evidence against Sherlock's father being Moriarty, since Moriarty is too smart to choose his alias to begin with the same letter as his real name.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:43 PM   #15
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I noticed that the text that Watson received was from "M. Holmes". Does anyone remember if the series has given Sherlock's father's name? There was that episode where Watson thought she was going to meet him, did his name get mentioned?

The books never mentioned the name of Sherlock's father.

Anyway, I think Sherlock's father being M-something is evidence against Sherlock's father being Moriarty, since Moriarty is too smart to choose his alias to begin with the same letter as his real name.
Actually that is the genius part. Sherlock would think that and thus never suspect it actually was him using his real name.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:44 PM   #16
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I noticed that the text that Watson received was from "M. Holmes". Does anyone remember if the series has given Sherlock's father's name? There was that episode where Watson thought she was going to meet him, did his name get mentioned?

The books never mentioned the name of Sherlock's father.
If it comes up again, I'd guess that the M was for Mycroft in this Holmes version.
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If it comes up again, I'd guess that the M was for Mycroft in this Holmes version.
Do you mean that Sherlock's brother is pretending to be his father?

Or that his father is named Mycroft instead of his brother?

I suppose the M. Holmes could also just be the gender-neutral abbreviation of Mr./Mrs./Miss
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Do you mean that Sherlock's brother is pretending to be his father?

Or that his father is named Mycroft instead of his brother?

I suppose the M. Holmes could also just be the gender-neutral abbreviation of Mr./Mrs./Miss
Take your pick. In the past we've only seen one other member of the Holmes family, and his name happened to start with the same initial as the message we saw. I'd put more money on it being Mycroft than I would it being Mike.
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If I were to entertain the notion that the message came from Moriarty, then I could only suspect it's because Watson was not hired by Sherlock' dad at all, but by Moriarty himself. There has been no communication between either of them and Holmes' father to prove he actually did the hiring, so it could very well have been Moriarty. In that case, his father has had NOTHING to do with it, and she is there because of some agenda of Moriarty.
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I have to say this has become one of my favorite new shows of the year. It is consistently well written and acted.
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Or that his father is named Mycroft instead of his brother?
Father and brother could both easily be Mycroft. If he is the older brother (I think he is, but can't remember for sure), then it is common for the first son to share a name with the father.
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I noticed that the text that Watson received was from "M. Holmes". Does anyone remember if the series has given Sherlock's father's name? There was that episode where Watson thought she was going to meet him, did his name get mentioned?

The books never mentioned the name of Sherlock's father.

Anyway, I think Sherlock's father being M-something is evidence against Sherlock's father being Moriarty, since Moriarty is too smart to choose his alias to begin with the same letter as his real name.
I saw that and thought the same thing but... Are we saying Moriarty is really Sherlock's father (and he hired an assassin to kill 20+ people and a separate assassin to kill Sherlock's girl) or Moriarty is acting as his father in hiring Watson and communicating with her (in addition to killing all those people)?

With what I've seen on the show so far, I can't see the reasoning for any of that.
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I saw that and thought the same thing but... Are we saying Moriarty is really Sherlock's father (and he hired an assassin to kill 20+ people and a separate assassin to kill Sherlock's girl) or Moriarty is acting as his father in hiring Watson and communicating with her (in addition to killing all those people)?
I think the latter is more likely than the former. But either one is a wild guess given what we have seen so far.

On a different topic, given what he did in the books, I think it is certainly in character for Moriarty to have 20+ people killed just as a distraction from his true objective of killing Sherlock's girlfriend (as a sort of game).
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I have to say this has become one of my favorite new shows of the year. It is consistently well written and acted.
Same here. This is my favorite new show this season.

The show is just well done. You knew that Watson was going to stay with on Holmes and the writers could have found a lazy way to make that happen but the way they interweaved it in this episode was great!
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I'd watch anyway for Johnny Lee Miller and Aidan Quinn, but I'll be really glad for this show to start to have a through line with a little mystery and misguiding, rather than every episode being like every other generic crime drama. A little more character development would go a long way.
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