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Old 09-24-2012, 01:00 PM   #331
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Wait! How can anyone not like this show? To me, it's up there with great classics like - Terra Nova!

Seriously, I do like this so far, but I also liked TN, and I do see similarities.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:39 PM   #332
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Not very far into it and I see myself dumping ths one pretty quickly. I just not have the patience I did before with shows like this especially with as easily as they cancel them.
I tend to agree, I wish they would make this type of show as a miniseries, with perhaps no more than one season so that there is a definitive begin and end date.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:02 PM   #333
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Wait! How can anyone not like this show? To me, it's up there with great classics like - Terra Nova!

Seriously, I do like this so far, but I also liked TN, and I do see similarities.
Terra Nova died because it cost way too much per episode? How much does an episode of Revolution cost?


On a side note about the rating of Revolution. It was advertised like crazy the past few months so I would expect the pilot episode to have high ratings. The ratings for tonight will be an indicator if they can keep their audience.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:32 PM   #334
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I tend to agree, I wish they would make this type of show as a miniseries, with perhaps no more than one season so that there is a definitive begin and end date.
Agreed! If they did that, we could be sure of getting a complete story, and maybe more people would give it a chance.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:33 PM   #335
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Terra Nova died because it cost way too much per episode? How much does an episode of Revolution cost?
Good point. I'm sure swords are cheaper than dinosaurs.

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On a side note about the rating of Revolution. It was advertised like crazy the past few months so I would expect the pilot episode to have high ratings. The ratings for tonight will be an indicator if they can keep their audience.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:53 PM   #336
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Good point. I'm sure swords are cheaper than dinosaurs.



Keeping my fingers crossed.
Yeah. But, the candle budget might be a little high for Revolution.

I am guessing the carbon offsets will add to the costs.


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Old 09-24-2012, 03:07 PM   #337
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The learning curve to go from a hunk of metal to a functional sword (and by functional, I mean, usuable as a sword, not a heavy shaped chunk of metal that makes a decent club) using pre-Industrial methods is very steep relative to other handcrafts.
Don't you mean gentle, not steep?
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:16 PM   #338
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I tend to agree, I wish they would make this type of show as a miniseries, with perhaps no more than one season so that there is a definitive begin and end date.
I agree that I wish TV networks made miniseries more often. Especially if your story contains a big over the top mystery (The Event, Flash Forward, Alcatraz?) that needs to be answered eventually. With that said not every scripted drama has to be a mini series, but we're getting none at the moment.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:18 PM   #339
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Don't you mean gentle, not steep?
I thought I understand the original statement meaning; but, it is not obvious which is correct gentle or steep to mean it is hard to do.

Most places I worked would say it is a steep learning curve to mean it is hard to learn how to do. But, I am not sure right now if that is correct. I realize I have never seen a real learning curve. I have only heard the saying.

What is on the X and Y axis of learning curve?

Edit: This site implies gentle is correct for hard to learn tasks.

http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch0...ing_curve.html



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Old 09-24-2012, 04:13 PM   #340
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Any predictions on the ratings for tonight's episode? Last week was a 4.1 with little competition other than MNF in the East and Central. Tonight it will be against the season premieres of Hawaii Five-0 and Castle, as well as MNF.

As a fan of this show, I'll be very pleased if it gets anything above a 3.0, and will still be optimistic if it's above a 2.7. If it falls much more than that, then then I'll start to be a little pessimistic about its long-term chances.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:49 PM   #341
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I think you're right, but did anyone in Hollywood ever consider Jericho to be a hit?
Only the nuts.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:44 PM   #342
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Don't you mean gentle, not steep?
I have no idea what you are taking about. Things that are easy to learn (scrapbookimng, swing dancing) have a gentle learning curve. Things that are very difficult (Chinese, stringed instruments, reliably launching rockets into space) have a steep learning curve.

One axis is effort and the other is achievement. There is no time axis.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:51 PM   #343
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I have no idea what you are taking about. Things that are easy to learn (scrapbookimng, swing dancing) have a gentle learning curve. Things that are very difficult (Chinese, stringed instruments, reliably launching rockets into space) have a steep learning curve.

One axis is effort and the other is achievement. There is no time axis.
If your independent variable is effort, then high achievement with little effort is a steep curve.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:56 PM   #344
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If your independent variable is effort, then high achievement with little effort is a steep curve.
Except that doesn't jibe with the traditional saying which equates a steep learning curve to something that's difficult to learn.
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Except that doesn't jibe with the traditional saying which equates a steep learning curve to something that's difficult to learn.
Lots of expressions don't make sense when you think about them.

"Head over heels" comes to mind. Seems to me that's the normal state of affairs.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #346
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Really? What faires?

I ask because at ours, we have ONE working forge (that produces horseshoes, nails, and the like) and a guy who does glass blowing and trained in Venice. We have leathercrafts and needle felting and spinning and weaving and paper making and period cooking and baking and illumination and drafting and a small amount of woodworking and a jewlery smith who makes pins, brooches, and small coins (this guy gave my 8 yr. old a hacksaw and a chunk of brass for an afternoon but won't let her touch the hand-powered drill because of the risk of injury). We have two booths that SELL swords and daggers, but we have absolutely no one onsite that makes them. Of the two sellers, one makes unfunctional decorative crap and the other has a 3-6 month turnaround time for a dagger.

I've only been to a handful of Renaissance Faires but a handful more historical sites doing recreation. I've seen muskets loaded and fired and I've seen blacksmiths doing decorative wrought iron. I have never, ever, ever seen anyone making a sword.
Here is a picture of my son making a sword at his local Ren Faire a few years ago. He was posted @ Fort Riley Ks.

It took some time but he completed it. I've held it in my hands.


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Old 09-24-2012, 09:19 PM   #347
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I just realized tonight is not being recorded. I forgot that I had to move it to another DVR. And I am finding it hard to care.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:44 PM   #348
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Here is a picture of my son making a sword at his local Ren Faire a few years ago. He was posted @ Fort Riley Ks.

It took some time but he completed it. I've held it in my hands.

Nice!

Is he also a Buddhist monk?
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I have no idea what you are taking about. Things that are easy to learn (scrapbookimng, swing dancing) have a gentle learning curve. Things that are very difficult (Chinese, stringed instruments, reliably launching rockets into space) have a steep learning curve.
You have it exactly backwards

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If you get high increases in achievement with little incremental effort, then it has a steep learning curve.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:53 PM   #350
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They need bat'leth's
I just watched "The Hunger Games" over the weekend, and thought the same thing about one scene where you see a bunch of swords and such on a wall.. Having a batleth there would've been awesome.
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Except that doesn't jibe with the traditional saying which equates a steep learning curve to something that's difficult to learn.
That's only because the term has been co-opted to mean the opposite of its actual meaning.
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I agree that I wish TV networks made miniseries more often.
Off topic for this show, but one thing that was weird was that Missing was shown in the clips of "miniseries" on the Emmys last night. It wasn't always intended as only one year, right? If the ratings had been better, somehow they intended to continue it?

(at least they DID show all of it, though I still have the finale unwatched.. I'm glad they DID show all of it, as well as all of The Firm being shown.)
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Off topic for this show, but one thing that was weird was that Missing was shown in the clips of "miniseries" on the Emmys last night. It wasn't always intended as only one year, right? If the ratings had been better, somehow they intended to continue it?

(at least they DID show all of it, though I still have the finale unwatched.. I'm glad they DID show all of it, as well as all of The Firm being shown.)
The rules for what qualifies as a miniseries for the Emmys are completely screwed up, and producers/publicists know how to manipulate the system.

For example: Downton Abbey S1 was in the miniseries category last year, despite the fact that it was an ongoing show. Missing was intended to be an ongoing show, but when it wasn't renewed, the producers submitted it as a miniseries. American Horror Story was renewed and will continue on for a second season, but because they basically ended the S1 storyline and S2 will be a completely new story, it qualified for miniseries as well.
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Awards shows in general make a lot more sense if you realize their purpose isn't to make sense; their purpose is to generate publicity.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:23 AM   #355
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Finally made it through the Pilot episode.

So far so good. A bit cheesy at times, but still pretty entertaining. Set recordings for the next eps.
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I enjoyed last nights episode. I thought it was a very good second episode.
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I enjoyed last nights episode. I thought it was a very good second episode.
Damn! I was hoping it had sucked, so I would not have to track it down after missing the recording.




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I enjoyed last nights episode. I thought it was a very good second episode.
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Wrong thread....
Yeah, those kind of untagged spoilers just RUIN the viewing experience. Here I was, just assuming the second episode was going to suck, but then I found out it was a very good episode before I even had a chance to watch it.


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So where is the "right" thread? Since there is no episode two thread.
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