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Old 09-15-2012, 02:25 AM   #541
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Can someone explain to me why Ian is hating on Dan so much right now for the Shane evict?

Would he have preferred it if Dan evicted him??? From the recaps him and Danielle are s#!tting on Dan alot. I get why Dani is upset... her showmance got booted. BUT I don't get why Ian is so mad. At first I thought he was just playing it up in front of Danielle to create a 'Us' vs 'Him' atmosphere but quite a few times when he was by himself he has commented/griped/b!tc#ed about the Shane evict.

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Old 09-15-2012, 09:56 AM   #542
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I'm not sure if Ian is truly that upset with Dan or he wants Danielle to think that there is no way he would take Dan to the final 2 if he's the one that gets to pick.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:55 PM   #543
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I'm not sure if Ian is truly that upset with Dan or he wants Danielle to think that there is no way he would take Dan to the final 2 if he's the one that gets to pick.
I think that is it.
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Old 09-15-2012, 04:23 PM   #544
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I'm not sure if Ian is truly that upset with Dan or he wants Danielle to think that there is no way he would take Dan to the final 2 if he's the one that gets to pick.
That is what I was thinking but he is sometimes by himself in a room muttering about it.

I know the kid is ...um... quirky but is he really going the 'say it till you believe it' route?
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:06 AM   #545
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According to Jokers, Ian won part 2 of the final. After the comp, Dan and Ian had a conversation in which both said they think they'd lose in a final two against Dani. I don't know if either is telling the truth, or if they're just trying to make a case to be taken to the final two if the other one wins.

Dan, speaking to the live feeders, said he's thinking about throwing the final because if he won he'd feel guilty if he didn't take Dani to the final two.
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:23 AM   #546
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Dan, speaking to the live feeders, said he's thinking about throwing the final because if he won he'd feel guilty if he didn't take Dani to the final two.
That would be the most interesting end to all of this. Dan throws the HOH and Ian finally puts two and two together and evicts Dan. Ian wins.
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:58 AM   #547
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OK, let's analyze the possibilities based on final 2 pairings:

Dan/Danielle Final 2 -

Brittany votes Dan
Joe votes Danielle
Ashley votes Danielle (based on Frank's influence)
Frank votes Danielle
Jen votes Danielle
Shane votes Danielle
Ian votes Dan
Danielle wins

Dan/Ian Final 2 -
Brittany votes Ian
Joe votes Ian
Ashley votes Ian
Frank votes Ian
Jen votes Dan
Shane votes Ian
Danielle votes Dan
Ian wins

Ian/Danielle Final 2 -
Brittany votes Ian
Joe votes Ian
Ashley votes Danielle
Frank votes Danielle
Jen votes Danielle
Shane votes Danielle
Dan votes Danielle
Danielle wins

Conclusions:
Anyone who takes Danielle with them loses
Dan can't win (even though he should)
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:07 AM   #548
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Dan/Ian Final 2 -
Brittany votes Ian
Joe votes Ian
Ashley votes Ian
Frank votes Ian
Jen votes Dan
Shane votes Ian
Danielle votes Dan
Ian wins
Not sure about the bolded votes here. It really depends on how well Dan sells it with his speech. But I can see him getting Brittany's and Shane's votes.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:12 AM   #549
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Not sure about the bolded votes here. It really depends on how well Dan sells it with his speech. But I can see him getting Brittany's and Shane's votes.
I dunno - Britt was much closer to Ian.

And there is NO WAY IN HELL Dan is getting Shane's vote.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:23 AM   #550
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And there is NO WAY IN HELL Dan is getting Shane's vote.
I agree! Maybe when hell freezes over.

I still wonder about Frank. Is there any chance that he's had enough time in the jury house to calm down and think? And maybe...just maybe...being that he is a BB superfan, he will be able to give props to Dan as a master player and give him his vote?

But then again, each time a new jury member shows up at the jury house I bet they proceed to massacre dan's name because every single one of them are sitting there due to Dan. They may stir up all the animosity in Frank all over again.

Regardless, I don't think Dan has a shot in hell over Ian. No way, no how. MAYBE Danielle, although that doesn't seem likely either.

I'm afraid he has too much blood on his hands at this point.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:25 AM   #551
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I've given up trying to predict jury member's votes.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:25 AM   #552
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In the Dan/Danielle scenario, I think Ashley, Joe and Frank vote Dan out of respect for good game play. Plus, I think the guy is likable. It really depends on what kind of a frenzy the jury house works itself into over Dan's blindsides.

I would really hate to see Danielle win. Yes, she has survived, but that's about all you can say about her.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:44 AM   #553
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In the Dan/Danielle scenario, I think Ashley, Joe and Frank vote Dan out of respect for good game play. Plus, I think the guy is likable. It really depends on what kind of a frenzy the jury house works itself into over Dan's blindsides.

I would really hate to see Danielle win. Yes, she has survived, but that's about all you can say about her.
I don't think Dan will EVER get Frank's vote. And as Frank votes, so does Ashley.

And Joe has more of a relationship with Ian and Danielle than with Dan - he also holds a grudge against Dan.

I agree that if they take their personal baggage out of the equation and vote based purely on game, Dan should win. But it ain't gonna happen...
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Old 09-16-2012, 12:27 PM   #554
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I think Dan's only chance is vs Dani and even then, he better have the mist going like Niagra Falls!
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:19 AM   #555
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Wow Dani is tearing Ian a new one.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:23 AM   #556
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Wow Dani is tearing Ian a new one.
About?!? We don't all have the feeds.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:26 AM   #557
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About?!? We don't all have the feeds.
That Ian plans to take Dan to the finale two and not her "Dani "You have no intention of taking me". "Tell me im lying". Ian "Im not gonna tell you u are lying" Danielle says if Ian evicts her, she is voting Dan. But if Dan evicts her, she is voting based on speeches.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:35 AM   #558
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Poor kid. Ian asked if they can hang out like in the quack pack days and she said no because she feels like she was backstabbed by Ian and she rather be alone then with the two(Ian and Dan) of them.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:39 AM   #559
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<scratching head> Dani was backstabbled by Ian?
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<scratching head> Dani was backstabbled by Ian?
By getting her hopes up that he was going to pick her for the finale two when he never planned on taking her, When Dan and him had a finale two all along.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:44 AM   #562
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By getting her hopes up that he was going to pick her for the finale two when he never planned on taking taking her, When Dan and him had a finale two all along.
Got it.. thanks. I was thinking it was something that had happened already & couldn't figure it out.

The CBS broadcast was a total snooze tonight. Literally nothing happened.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:24 AM   #563
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Watching Showtime tonight i have now lost all respect for Dani. She is no better than Frank as far as bullying.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:55 AM   #564
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Dani is bragging to Dan that she made Ian cry(She didn't, but he was "sad") when she was ripping into him. My god she has changed from what you see on TV, she is ruthless.
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Its a last ditch effort to stay in the game. I would evict her just to get rid of her.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:10 AM   #566
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Its a last ditch effort to stay in the game. I would evict her just to get rid of her.
True, but who is she trying to get to keep her? if both then why would she try to get on Ians bad side? Even Ian said he doesn't respond to threats. It seems like she is just trying to say her peace no matter who gets hurt by it before she gets evicted.
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To say that she doesnt know if they will be friends after..... I would say tough cookies.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:57 AM   #568
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Got it.. thanks. I was thinking it was something that had happened already & couldn't figure it out.

The CBS broadcast was a total snooze tonight. Literally nothing happened.
Yeah, she says it was 'expected' that Dan would backstab, but not Ian. He has always played an honest game so it makes his move dirtier than Dan's, and therefore she would vote for Dan along with most of jury. Told Ian he has no chance against Dan, but at least with her he has a chance. She's be happy with 50k. etc
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:43 AM   #569
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You all are missing a big part of what Danielle is doing with her 'anger' at Ian.

She is acting angry with Ian at Dan's urging. They are trying to get Ian to throw the final comp to Dan. This relies on him believing Danielle's sentiment that she'll poison the jury (or can) if he is the one to boot her, AND Ian falls for Dan's continuous "I trust you. Do you trust me?" B.S

I think Ian is OK with 50K though and does feel like he's being bullied. So I don't know that Dan's strategy will work. If Dan wants to go to the final two with Dani, he has to win the final comp....BUT I think he is actually going to be the one to throw it.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:02 AM   #570
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The last evictee pretty much leaves the house and goes to vote, IIRC. No time to poison the jury, right?

Last night's broadcast was lame. bleh
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