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Old 08-31-2012, 10:25 AM   #301
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:39 AM   #302
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I can't tell you how much time and energy i have spent trying to get Airvideo to work properly... I have my media library on a Media Smart server and it really bogs down trying to transcode and the quality is terrible. Don't even consider realtime transcoding!!!. I have also tried it from the family desktop, but more often then not it ends up getting interrupted.

I actually considered building a dedicated machine just to transcode and stream videos - you have no idea how many hours and how many tools I have used and tried!

And one more video that I spend an hour transcoding just to have the audio out of sync I will pull out what is left of my hair!

Easy? I don't think so...

A dedicated set and forget solution? Yeah baby!!!
Huh. I've had the opposite experience with Air Video Server (running on a slightly older iMac that doubles as an office computer.)

I can easily stream to my iPad (and MacBooks) at home and from the road. No hiccups, good A/V quality, no sync issues. Realtime encoding works fine for me too. No interruptions.

Maybe my upstream is higher?
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:53 PM   #304
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Huh. I've had the opposite experience with Air Video Server (running on a slightly older iMac that doubles as an office computer.)

I can easily stream to my iPad (and MacBooks) at home and from the road. No hiccups, good A/V quality, no sync issues. Realtime encoding works fine for me too. No interruptions.

Maybe my upstream is higher?
I am talking about using it just within my own network!

My HPMediaSmart server is getting pretty long in the tooth, but it really was never designed for that purpose anyway. With a paltry AMD 1.8 GHZ Sempron CPU and 512MB of Ram, it struggles miserably to transcode video...

And while the trusty old family desktop has more horsepower, it still isn't anything to write home about and more importantly it is shared - so counting on it to transcode through an entire movie without interuption isn't reasonable either.

Bottom line, you need a decent third party system to make any solution work properly... I was considering building a system that I could dedicate for the purpose, now I do not have too.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:59 PM   #305
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:35 PM   #306
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I am talking about using it just within my own network!

My HPMediaSmart server is getting pretty long in the tooth, but it really was never designed for that purpose anyway. With a paltry AMD 1.8 GHZ Sempron CPU and 512MB of Ram, it struggles miserably to transcode video...

And while the trusty old family desktop has more horsepower, it still isn't anything to write home about and more importantly it is shared - so counting on it to transcode through an entire movie without interuption isn't reasonable either.

Bottom line, you need a decent third party system to make any solution work properly... I was considering building a system that I could dedicate for the purpose, now I do not have too.
You could upgrade the intel based HP MSS CPU and RAM yourself... Is that not possible with the AMD based ones?
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:52 PM   #307
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You could upgrade the intel based HP MSS CPU and RAM yourself... Is that not possible with the AMD based ones?
Yes, it can be upgraded a little - but when I upgrade I am looking at the HP ProLiant Microserver... And now that Microsoft has cancelled the media server product - I need to research small business server as an option.
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:02 PM   #308
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Even with the upgrade it is still underpowered. I have one of those AMD units sitting in my closet from when I upgraded to the later model with the INtel CPU. I wish I had sold it a while ago now since with the Intel HP MSS and two unRAID boxes I really have no use for the older one any more.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:17 PM   #309
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Can't wait.....

Just ordered mine. Tax in NYC is a killer, but I'm so done with waiting for iTivo to work with Mountain Lion or trying to work with KMTTG.

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Old 09-01-2012, 07:37 PM   #310
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What version of the Tivo App is necessary for the Stream? When will it be released?
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:47 PM   #311
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What version of the Tivo App is necessary for the Stream? When will it be released?
We don't know that right now.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:35 AM   #312
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I am talking about using it just within my own network!

My HPMediaSmart server is getting pretty long in the tooth, but it really was never designed for that purpose anyway. With a paltry AMD 1.8 GHZ Sempron CPU and 512MB of Ram, it struggles miserably to transcode video...

And while the trusty old family desktop has more horsepower, it still isn't anything to write home about and more importantly it is shared - so counting on it to transcode through an entire movie without interuption isn't reasonable either.

Bottom line, you need a decent third party system to make any solution work properly... I was considering building a system that I could dedicate for the purpose, now I do not have too.
I have one of those HP Media Server. I have upgraded it with 2GB & faster version of AMD CPU, but streaming was a struggle still. I have a dual core CPU to put in, but I have not bothered to flash the BIOS to make it recognize the CPU id.

I just use a PC running pyTivo to stream from my media servers (I have HP MediaSmart, ReadyNAS & JBOD NAS server)
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:59 AM   #313
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What version of the Tivo App is necessary for the Stream? When will it be released?
I forget where I read this, but the stream will require a new version of the app that will be released on Wednesday.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:58 PM   #314
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:19 PM   #315
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:39 PM   #316
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Or turns honest people into pirates.
Good one, I like it.
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I wonder why the TiVo Stream would have a TSN on it. Maybe they were planning on charging monthly for it at one point.
Is a TSN functionally the same as a serial number? If so, it makes sense for every device to have a serial number, regardless of whether or not service is charged for it.

It also might be the identifier that it uses when setting up the protocol from Tivo to Stream to iPad app.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:00 AM   #318
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Anyone see an official TiVo product spec sheet yet?
I want one for streaming to my iPad but was hoping that it also had an hdmi output for the borrowed fourth tuner on my elite so I could route that to a second HDMI input on my tv...I like using pip and pbp.

Also, does the borrowing of the fourth tuner make that tuner unavailable for recordings? Does that fourth tuner become dedicated solely to the Stream device or is it released when not streaming for four tuner recording?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:40 AM   #319
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Anyone see an official TiVo product spec sheet yet?
I want one for streaming to my iPad but was hoping that it also had an hdmi output for the borrowed fourth tuner on my elite so I could route that to a second HDMI input on my tv...I like using pip and pbp.

Also, does the borrowing of the fourth tuner make that tuner unavailable for recordings? Does that fourth tuner become dedicated solely to the Stream device or is it released when not streaming for four tuner recording?
If I read your post correctly, you want to use the Stream as a dummy IP box similar to the functionality offered by the Mini. The quick answer, it does not offer that functionality.

It only has an Ethernet connection and a power input - no HDMI. It does not connect directly to either the TiVo or a tv.

It also does not co-op a dedicated tuner, however if you want to stream "live" tv, it will initiate a recording and streams that recording. In that case it obviously uses a tuner....
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I want one for streaming to my iPad but was hoping that it also had an hdmi output for the borrowed fourth tuner on my elite so I could route that to a second HDMI input on my tv...I like using pip and pbp.

Also, does the borrowing of the fourth tuner make that tuner unavailable for recordings? Does that fourth tuner become dedicated solely to the Stream device or is it released when not streaming for four tuner recording?
I think you may be mixing up the Stream and the Mini. The stream only handles streaming to mobile devices. The unit has a power connector and Ethernet, that's it.

As far as tuner availability, right now the TiVo Stream does not take a tuner. It will only stream / transfer already recorded content. However, the iOS app does have the ability to watch live TV, but it's kind of a workaround. The app will setup up the live program to record, then stream the recording in real time. It's the same as if you recorded the program on the TiVo itself and watched it live. When the program is over, the tuner is free again.

What we don't know right now is how the TiVo Mini will handle tuners, and from what I've read, current beta units take 0-2 tuners for itself. If there is any logic for freeing tuners when the non-pooled tuners are unavailable remains unknown at this time.
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I wonder why the TiVo Stream would have a TSN on it. Maybe they were planning on charging monthly for it at one point.
It probably needs to be added to your account with a TSN so that it has a common MAK for streaming.
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We don't know that right now.
I assume we don't know this about the app either, but I have one burning question... Will the app allow you to use a video output (hdmi, component) to a TV or other device? For instance if you have a TV without a TiVo, could you play to it from video out from an iPad streaming from a stream? Or if you have a downloaded video and play it on a tv when you're not home?

Many video apps disable the ability unfortunately (including hbo and showtime, even via appleTV video mirroring).

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I assume we don't know this about the app either, but I have one burning question... Will the app allow you to use a video output (hdmi, component) to a TV or other device? For instance if you have a TV without a TiVo, could you play to it from video out from an iPad streaming from a stream? Or if you have a downloaded video and play it on a tv when you're not home?

Many video apps disable the ability unfortunately (including hbo and showtime, even via appleTV video mirroring).
No, this won't work. Dave Zatz already tried it. You'll need a TiVo Mini for that.
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But there is hope for jailbreakers, as tweaks for enabling AirPlay on other similar apps (like HBO GO, DirecTV, and more) already exist.
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I think you may be mixing up the Stream and the Mini. The stream only handles streaming to mobile devices. The unit has a power connector and Ethernet, that's it....
I am indeed! Thanks for setting me straight. In reading about both in their respective threads I do have a question.

It seems that Tivo may be licensing their software to run on an Apple TV device? Does anyone think that, if Apple were to open up an SDK for the Apple TV (3) that Tivo might have an app ready to roll out to purchasers that effectively makes an Apple TV perform as a Tivo Mini? I wouldn't mind paying a higher than average app price for that functionality!
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They haven't said anything about Apple TV support at this point. (Or Roku support, in case anybody is wondering.)

For Tivo-to-AppleTV to work, customers would need a Stream to convert the video since it doesn't support MPEG2 natively. It's not elegant, but wouldn't be impossible either. In theory it could happen one day. But either way we'd need new hardware, and it won't likely happen in the short term.
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I am indeed! Thanks for setting me straight. In reading about both in their respective threads I do have a question.

It seems that Tivo may be licensing their software to run on an Apple TV device? Does anyone think that, if Apple were to open up an SDK for the Apple TV (3) that Tivo might have an app ready to roll out to purchasers that effectively makes an Apple TV perform as a Tivo Mini? I wouldn't mind paying a higher than average app price for that functionality!
It's always a possibility, and I'm sure TiVo would take a look at the Apple TV SDK if one were released, but at this time there are no indications of apps for Apple TV. Being an iOS developer myself, if Apple were to announce apps for Apple TV at next week's event, I think it would be a minimum of two months until apps would be available for download. Factoring in TiVo's development pace, I think a year would be a minimum reasonable timeframe for TiVo to release an app. While I would love an app over the Mini, it's just not going to happen anytime soon.
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Anyone know if this thing works only on a local Network?

Will you be able to use it to watch shows from a TV say at my brother's house on the other side of town? Can you use it for any device hooked up to your TiVo account (and presumably the MAK key), or is it limited to what's on your local network?
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The streaming only works locally. You can download (copy) pre-recorded stuff to your iDevice if it's not copy-protected and take it with you, but the streaming function is limited to your own local network.
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I wonder why the TiVo Stream would have a TSN on it. Maybe they were planning on charging monthly for it at one point.
TSNs are used to link TiVos on the same account and allow streaming. Since the Stream is essentially just pretending to be another TiVo on your network for the purposes of streaming it would make sense that they would require a TSN to properly trick the other TiVos into allowing them to initiate the stream.

Once it goes through the stream the file coming out the other side seems to be similar to a TiVoToGo recording requiring your account MAK to decrypt.

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