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Old 08-31-2012, 12:27 PM   #301
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Then they'll get court order to force the bank to disclose all the boxes that lawyer has ever had access to. Once they find the money designated for Kaylee, and knowing that they previously found an account in Mike's granddaughter's name, it won't be very difficult to figure that one out either.
I think that's what they call "Circumstantial Evidence"
Circumstantial evidence is as valid as direct evidence. Let's say that Todd didn't shoot the kid at the train robbery. The kid rides home and tells someone that he saw three men with a pump after the train pulled away. The cops investigate and discover that the methylmine has been diluted. They discover the tank buried in the ground near the tracks. The kid's testimony that these three guys were near the train with a pump is circumstantial because he didn't see them actually pumping out the methylmine. The fact that the methylmine is diluted is circumstantial (it would be direct evidence except that you can't prove that it wasn't diluted at some other point in the train's journey). The fact that there is a tank large enough to hold the missing methylmine right where the kid said he saw the men is circumstantial. All of your evidence is circumstantial but when you put it together you will easily convict those three men of robbing the methylmine (assuming that the kid IDs them).

Circumstantial evidence got a bad reputation from lawyer shows on TV, but it makes up the majority of evidence in many successful convictions. You won't hear "Objection! Circumstantial" in any courtroom except for on TV.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:05 PM   #302
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:29 PM   #303
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As far as Hank is concerned, there is an explanation for Walt having a bunch of money, so him being flashy with that money is not a red flag. The only real clue is that Walt is a brilliant chemist and doesn't seem to have a real job right now.* I think there would have to be more before Hank suspect's Walt.

*Has Walt provided a cover story for Hank and Marie for what he does all day every day?
Does Hank necessarily believe the cover story about blackjack? I'm not so sure.

Hank does know that a gas mask and some lab equipment were stolen from Walt's high school and used to cook meth out in the desert, and Walt was the only person (or one of the only persons) with a key to that room.

And Hank knows Walt has a connection to Jesse, who Hank knows is somehow involved in the meth business.

I'm just saying that Hank is consumed with finding out who Heisenberg is. Absolutely consumed. That's all he thinks about, even when he's not supposed to care. And Hank has been damn near right about everything so far. So it wouldn't surprise me if Hank has been putting the pieces together and figured out that Walt could be a candidate to be Heisenberg.

Gilligan isn't exactly going to show the process or the "aha" moment. But there was the scene when Merkert told Hank and Gomez that he was being pushed out, and Merkert was talking about how he didn't know that the guy they were looking for (Fring) was right under Merkert's nose. The camera flashed to Hank, and he had this look on his face, like he knew exactly what Merkert was talking about.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:35 PM   #304
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We all seem to mostly agree that when Hank catches Heisenberg, Hank's DEA career is over.

What if Hank realizes this, and agrees to not pursue Walt in exchange for (a) keeping his job, and (2) getting a cut of the meth business?

And if other DEA agents do catch Walt, it would still be the end of Hank's career, but Hank would at least have some level of plausible deniability since his boss has already told him to move off the Fring case.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:54 PM   #305
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We all seem to mostly agree that when Hank catches Heisenberg, Hank's DEA career is over.

What if Hank realizes this, and agrees to not pursue Walt in exchange for (a) keeping his job, and (2) getting a cut of the meth business?

And if other DEA agents do catch Walt, it would still be the end of Hank's career, but Hank would at least have some level of plausible deniability since his boss has already told him to move off the Fring case.
While (our TCF) Hank is wrong about everything, I like this one.

Does Hank the DEA agent break bad? I like it.


Is DEA agent redundant?
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:12 PM   #306
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:25 PM   #307
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We all seem to mostly agree that when Hank catches Heisenberg, Hank's DEA career is over.
Can someone explain why Hank would lose his job when he catches Heisenberg?
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:43 PM   #308
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Can someone explain why Hank would lose his job when he catches Heisenberg?
The same reason that the previous ASAC lost his job when it was discovered that Gus Fring was a druglord right under his nose.
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:48 PM   #309
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The same reason that the previous ASAC lost his job when it was discovered that Gus Fring was a druglord right under his nose.
That's true if someone else finds out who Heisenberg is. I doubt Hank would lose his job if he's the one who finds out who Heisenberg is. Strictly my opinion.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:26 PM   #310
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Does Hank necessarily believe the cover story about blackjack? I'm not so sure.
I don't think he has questioned it at all. He has probably known Walter and Skylar for decades, and from my impression of them from early season 1 is that the Whites are very honest, truthful people. Why would Hank question anything Walter or Skylar (from early and pre season 1) told him.
However I think the cracks of who he thinks Walter and Skylar are definitely starting to showing, and he will (maybe with Marie's help) eventually start to realize something is not kosher in the the White household.
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Hank does know that a gas mask and some lab equipment were stolen from Walt's high school and used to cook meth out in the desert, and Walt was the only person (or one of the only persons) with a key to that room.
Once again, I think he unquestioningly believes the White's are honest, truthful people.
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And Hank knows Walt has a connection to Jesse, who Hank knows is somehow involved in the meth business.
I do not think Hank knows Jesse and Walter have a connection. If he did I assume it's just that Jesse was a student of Walter's, but that means nothing to push Hank to the idea that Walter = Heisenberg.
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I'm just saying that Hank is consumed with finding out who Heisenberg is. Absolutely consumed. That's all he thinks about, even when he's not supposed to care. And Hank has been damn near right about everything so far. So it wouldn't surprise me if Hank has been putting the pieces together and figured out that Walt could be a candidate to be Heisenberg.

Gilligan isn't exactly going to show the process or the "aha" moment. But there was the scene when Merkert told Hank and Gomez that he was being pushed out, and Merkert was talking about how he didn't know that the guy they were looking for (Fring) was right under Merkert's nose. The camera flashed to Hank, and he had this look on his face, like he knew exactly what Merkert was talking about.
I still think Hank doesn't suspect a thing, if he did he'd be tailing Walter and/or Skylar, or asking them more questions.

Considering all that Hank has been through (shoot out with Tuco, the tortoise explosion, the shootout with the twins, the lock down with Fring) I would think Hank would lose his **** and beat the crap out of Walter. I completely disagree with him shuffling it under the carpet and taking a cut. He's been through more hardships at the indirect hand of Walter White than anyone else.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:31 PM   #311
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The same reason that the previous ASAC lost his job when it was discovered that Gus Fring was a druglord right under his nose.
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That's true if someone else finds out who Heisenberg is. I doubt Hank would lose his job if he's the one who finds out who Heisenberg is. Strictly my opinion.
Well, even if Hank catches Heisenberg himself, he's still his brother-in-law. That's really going to go over like a lead balloon with his bosses. He's going to have to take the fall in the end anyway.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:38 PM   #312
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Is DEA agent redundant?
Not really.

An Agent in the Drug Enforcement Agency.

Just like CIA Agent isn't redundant.


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Old 08-31-2012, 06:56 PM   #313
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I say you're all right, and I think the season bridging cliffhanger will be that Hank finally wakes up and gets the scent on Walt. Maybe Lydia will make a call to save her skin from Walt and prison (by "turning states evidence.")

We know that Walt is going to go full bad. That prolly means that Hank isn't going to be able to let him slide without anyone ever knowing who Heisenberg was.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:52 PM   #314
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I don't think there's any way Hank "breaks bad" to save Walt or save his job. We've got to remember that this show isn't real life. This show is a work of literature filmed for TV. The writers are not likely to craft the story so that the protagonist and the antagonist end up on the same side at the end.

If Hank had even an inkling about Walt, there's no way he would let Walt into his office, let alone leave him alone in there with the blinds closed.
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I agree. Hank isn't breaking bad. A real world, practical solution for if/when Hank catches on to Walt would be for Walt to agree stop cooking (in return for staying out of prison) and Hank to conclude that Heisenberg is dead (and thereby keep his job since the news that Heisenberg is Walt would presumably not be revealed - certainly not by Hank). But that isn't dramatic or interesting enough and won't happen on this show. There will be a showdown at some point, and I wouldn't be shocked if Hank is the last man standing.
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If Hank had even an inkling about Walt, there's no way he would let Walt into his office, let alone leave him alone in there with the blinds closed.
Unless Hank has his office under surveillance and is recording everything Walt does. Of course, this is highly unlikely.
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I wouldn't be shocked if Hank is the last man standing.

I like the sound of that!


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I agree. Hank isn't breaking bad. A real world, practical solution for if/when Hank catches on to Walt would be for Walt to agree stop cooking (in return for staying out of prison) and Hank to conclude that Heisenberg is dead (and thereby keep his job since the news that Heisenberg is Walt would presumably not be revealed - certainly not by Hank).
That's what I'm saying....

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But that isn't dramatic or interesting enough and won't happen on this show. There will be a showdown at some point, and I wouldn't be shocked if Hank is the last man standing.
...then you'd have the inevitable as "indestructible" Heisenberg who can't stand to have Hank know or shut down his "Empire," so he takes on Hank.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:30 PM   #319
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While (our TCF) Hank is wrong about everything, I like this one...
Nope....he's wrong about this too. Never gonna happen. Hank's a straight arrow when it comes to his career...
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:32 PM   #320
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Not really.

An Agent in the Drug Enforcement Agency.

Just like CIA Agent isn't redundant.


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It's the Drug Enforcement ADMINISTRATION...not agency.
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Nope....he's wrong about this too. Never gonna happen. Hank's a straight arrow when it comes to his career...
Come on people, I didn't say it was going to happen.. I was just throwing it out there as a "what if..." as one of an infinite number of potential outcomes.
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Dammit Hank. I finally agreed with you and you're wrong again.
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Unless Hank has his office under surveillance and is recording everything Walt does. Of course, this is highly unlikely.
If that were true, Hank would have known that Walt bugged his office and wouldn't have said the things that let Walt know that Lydia hadn't placed the GPS and that the cops were going after Mike.
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It's the Drug Enforcement ADMINISTRATION...not agency.
That makes it even less redundant.


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