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Old 08-02-2012, 11:22 PM   #31
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Are you going to go with monthly service subscription or Product Lifetime Service subscription?
PLS is always a little bit of a gamble, but not much. If one can fit it into one's budget, it can potentially save one a good chunk of change over the long run. It takes a couple of years to completely amortize the investment, but at that point in time one has a box that sells for a fair amount of cash on ebay or craigslist. Even if one sells the TiVo after about a year or so, the increased sale price offsets the amount one spent over and above the cost of a monthly sub.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #32
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I never suggested any sort of censure of your behavior. I merely made a reasonable and polite request that you think of others when you post while at the same time making your own posts more effective and efficient by eliminating superfluous quoting. What part of any of that should elicit sarcasm in your response?
I will certainly work on making my posts more effective and efficient by eliminating superfluous quoting. I'm totally in awe of your vast knowledge and your ability to provide such "constructive" criticism/comments to the many good faith posters who are looking for a bit of help with a side order of politeness. It's so refreshing to be able to seek advice without having to endure posters with condescending/know-it-all attitudes. Thankyou for being here to assist all the TIVO members.

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Old 08-04-2012, 09:08 AM   #33
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Since both of you guys are in San Antonio why don't you just meet up and have your snark-off in person?

Better yet, buy each other a beer.
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:27 PM   #34
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I didn't snark. I made a polite and proper request of someone who is obviously quite new to the forum. When his response was abusive, I merely asked him if such abuse was warranted. I never snarked at him or made any personal references. That is the point, and it is also why I declined to respond to his last post.

I don't drink.

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Old 08-06-2012, 09:05 AM   #35
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Not a bad choice.

Are you going to go with monthly service subscription or Product Lifetime Service subscription?

You should be able to subcribe it online after you create an account at TiVo.com.
checked tracking this AM and TIVO will be delivered tomorrow. Inititially, we intended to order 2, but I guess it makes sense to try it first. As far as the Lifetime subscription-it's a no-brainer-that we would save money. But, after years of $100.00 plus satellite bills $14.95 or $28.00 a month is not a huge concern. Whenever we replace our electronics, we donate or give to friends/neighbors, so selling is not a consideration ( valid point of the benefit in selling a TIVO unit which has the lifetime subscription).

So, with TIVO- OTA and Netflix and the occasional online rental from VUDU or Amazon, we should be pretty well set.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:10 PM   #36
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I have four TiVos, and I almost never use MRV. It would not upset me for it to disappear.)
I'm surprised you even own one Tivo considering that you believe there's absolutely nothing worth watching on TV. By now you surely must have realized that you're the exception to the rule when it comes to TV viewers with Tivos. Many of us do watch OTA programming and other shows on cable or FIOS that are recurring and require season passes, regardless of what your tastes are.

Just another thread crapped on by lrhorer.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:09 PM   #37
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Whenever we replace our electronics, we donate or give to friends/neighbors, so selling is not a consideration ( valid point of the benefit in selling a TIVO unit which has the lifetime subscription).
I think you're sort of using backwards logic here too though.

If you give the electronics to friends/neighbors, you are effectively giving them an albatross, since they are getting used/old electronics that requires (what a lot of people consider) an expensive monthly fee.

So even for giving it away, if you have used it for enough months to make the lifetime price amortized down to a reasonable amount, you're still giving your friends/neighbors a FAR better gift if it already has a subscription.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:34 AM   #38
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I think you're sort of using backwards logic here too though.

If you give the electronics to friends/neighbors, you are effectively giving them an albatross, since they are getting used/old electronics that requires (what a lot of people consider) an expensive monthly fee.

So even for giving it away, if you have used it for enough months to make the lifetime price amortized down to a reasonable amount, you're still giving your friends/neighbors a FAR better gift if it already has a subscription.
I guess I need to clarify- We're mostly talking Tv's, DVD players etc. which the recipients have been very grateful/thankful and for the most part use and enjoy them (i.e. 2, 4 year old plasma tv's we recently gave away when replacing with our new LG LCD TV's). I agree, then I probably should NOT gift a TIVO without the LIFETIME subscription. Anyway, this is a long time future consideration, since we haven't even received our 1st TIVO yet (out for delivery today).

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:42 AM   #39
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I guess I need to clarify- We're mostly talking Tv's, DVD players etc. which the recipients have been very grateful/thankful and for the most part use and enjoy them (i.e. 2, 4 year old plasma tv's we recently gave away when replacing with our new LG LCD TV's). I agree, then I probably should NOT gift a TIVO without the LIFETIME subscription.
Give 'em a Series 2 and see if they can get the $399 deal on a lifetimed Premiere.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:12 PM   #40
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I understand this to be the case, but why escapes me. There is almost nothing on NetFlix that is both of any interest and that I do not already have.
Ah, I see. I misunderstood your point. I thought you were claiming that the Premiere had no features to differentiate it from the TivoHD or Series 3. What you were actually saying was that you don't care for any the features on the Premiere as they have no value to you. Fair enough. Your experience is not universal, however. I find some of these features to be killer apps. I think you overrate the TiVo's internal logic concerning old shows, too....I also routinely have shows that are a year old (example: we watched two season finales from 2011 this weekend, so we could catch up with the 2012 premieres) and have had situations where the TiVo failed to record something because it was full. We do lots of 'impulse recordings' and I have four different people recording things...sometimes at cross purposes and often set to never delete. Our use of the TiVo is different than yours, so it isn't surprising that our opinions of its features are likewise not the same.

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Why? (BTW, having a TV in the bedroom is a rather bad idea, as any sleep specialist or psychiatrist can tell you. Having a TV in the bedroom tends to induce poor sleep patterns and sleep deprivation, and tends to reinforce depression.)
Why would I have second TV and Tivo? So that more than one person can watch TV at the same time.
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:51 PM   #41
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I think you overrate the TiVo's internal logic concerning old shows, too....
Nary a bit. Some of my Tivos have shows that have been awaiting deletion for 3 years.
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I also routinely have shows that are a year old
I have quite a large number that are that old or considerably older:



Only one has an oldest scheduled program less than a year old and that is because I only got the TiVo three months ago.

Of course, I have archived many, many hundreds that are a lot older than that, but even on the TiVos I have a handful of KUID programs that are almost 6 years old:



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(example: we watched two season finales from 2011 this weekend, so we could catch up with the 2012 premieres) and have had situations where the TiVo failed to record something because it was full.
That can never happen on a TiVo unless one excessivley employs KUID, in which case lost recordings are a given. KUID in general does not prevent programs from being lost. Rather it makes it much more likely. All of my TiVos are virtually 100% full essentially 100% of the time, and they record up to 30 programs every day. I've never lost a recording, except due to my own mistake, or external issues like a power or cable outage or system lock-ups.

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We do lots of 'impulse recordings' and I have four different people recording things...
That's really not relevant to this issue, although it probably does call for larger hard drives. If the TiVo hard drive is too small, then it limits the ability of the user to watch everything they want before some of it becomes in jeopardy of being deleted.

For example, suppose the Tivo had such a tiny hard drive (or so little drive space left after KUID recordings are taken into account) that the user is recording on average a volume of shows that will completely fill the hard drive in 24 hours, then as long as the user watches every single thing recorded in less than 24 hours, then none of the content will be in jeopardy of being deleted. OTOH, if the user takes more than 24 hours to watch the content, then some *WILL* be deleted. It doesn't matter whether the amount of sapce on the drive is 100M or 100,000T, if only 24 hours of recordings will fit, then after 24 hours some recordings will be lost. Lets say the number is 10G, for a round number. Increasing the size of the drive so that no recording will ever be in jeopardy of being deleted does not require getting a 3650G hard drive. Indeed, it will only require perhaps a 300G or 400G drive. At some point, the TiVo storage becomes effectively infinite. Where that point lies is variable depending on the recording and viewing habits of the poeple using the DVR, so a family of four with active recording habits and very sporadic viewing habits will require a much larger drive than a single person who watches everything they record within a few days of it being recorded.

Note the DVR will not create more time to watch, other than allowing the user to skip commercials. If the average amount your family records exceeds long term the average amount it watches, then at some point shows are going to begin to be lost, no matter how large the hard drive.

As an aside, if it is the intent to keep any items (as opposed to just leaving the items on the TiVo) for over a year, it would definitely be a good idea to archive then until they are needed.

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and often set to never delete.
Doing so with any frequency and certainly doing so habitually pretty much guarantees recordings are going to be lost. This, then may urge the users to set more KUID, which loses more programs. It is an absolute fact that the lowest number of lost recordings will be produced by setting nothing whatsoever to KUID. It is also an absolute fact that without KUID intervention, it will always be the programs that have sat on the TiVo the longest that get lost, and no new recording will ever fail to be recored due to hard drive recording capacity.

Absolutely 100% guatanteed, no matter how many programs are recorded by how many people, how big the hard drive is, how many programs get watched in a given period, or how old the programs might be.

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Our use of the TiVo is different than yours, so it isn't surprising that our opinions of its features are likewise not the same.
WRT internet features, that may well be true, but WRT hard drive capacity and core recording features, I don't know whether it is, or not. What types of recordings one favors is of course a perfectly individual thing, but at a fundamental level capacity management has little to nothing to do with individual preferences or habits. The size and variety of the FIFO pool will vary a lot from one household to another, but the mathematics governing the realtiver behavior does not.

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Why would I have second TV and Tivo? So that more than one person can watch TV at the same time.
I never made any sort of comment about that question. Indeed, as you can see above I have four TiVos, plus six different TVs around the house, so it would be a singularly odd comment for me to make. None of the TiVos or TVs are in bedrooms (unless one considders a convertible guest room to be a bedroom), though, and all I said is placing a TV in a bedroom can have significant and possibly serious negative impacts on one's health. Again, as any pulmonologist or sleep specialist will advise you, to promote good health, a bed should be used for two and only two things: sleeping and making love. Eating, reading, and especially watching TV in the bedroom should be avoided. Doing such things in bed promotes increased fatigue, sleep depravation, insomnia, anxiety, and depression.
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Absolutely 100% guatanteed, no matter how many programs are recorded by how many people, how big the hard drive is, how many programs get watched in a given period, or how old the programs might be.
So we agree then, that those features are necessary to ME, because I use the KUID feature a lot, which is significantly different than you and that we diverge significantly on the value and importance of features on the Premiere. I think we can put that to rest, then.
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"It is also an absolute fact that without KUID intervention, it will always be the programs that have sat on the TiVo the longest that get lost, and no new recording will ever fail to be recored due to hard drive recording capacity."

My experience differs from this.
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