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Old 07-29-2012, 09:11 AM   #91
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And I completely disagree with the proposition that the current writers are easily replaced. A lot of the genius in this show is the writing.
They are easily replaced because no one will know they have been. The quality may suffer, but there's no face to see. It's not like Dick York.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:29 PM   #92
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They are easily replaced because no one will know they have been. The quality may suffer, but there's no face to see. It's not like Dick York.
Exactly. Writers are basically anonymous in Hollywood. I'll bet the majority of fans of this show wouldn't even notice if creators and showrunners Steve Levitan and Chris Lloyd were replaced.

That's not to say I don't recognize the value of good writers and showrunners. But most viewers don't.
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One of my big issues is the salary demands made were not crazy and they could have negotiated a contract that would continue through the life of the show. I just think 20th Century took a weird and unnecessary stand here.
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:53 PM   #94
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I disagree completely. The show isn't nearly as good as it was its first season, but it's still a ratings hit by today's standards and by now the characters are well established. You couldn't just swap out Ty Burrell for anyone else, either as a new "Phil" or as a new character, and expect people not to notice. This isn't the 1960s and this isn't I Dream of Jeannie.
Did you mean Bewitched?
It didn't hurt Roseanne or The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air in the '90's.
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:01 AM   #95
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And I completely disagree with the proposition that the current writers are easily replaced. A lot of the genius in this show is the writing.
There was a sitcom I liked called "It's, Like, Y'Know". Hilarious writing. It vanished (during the writer's strike, I think) and I assumed it was dead, but over a year later, it came back as a mid-season replacement. They got the whole cast back, but I watched a couple episodes and it was just TERRIBLE. They'd lost all their writing talent and it showed. The show was quickly cancelled for good.

I've heard that "Breaking In" has recently had the same problem.....came back without the writers and suddenly sucks.

Dear networks: YES WE NOTICE when you can the off-screen talent.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:37 AM   #96
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True, but if you replaced the writers with writers of equal talent, you are unlikely to notice.

If you replace the actors with actors of equal talent, you'll probably notice anyway.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:57 AM   #97
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There was a sitcom I liked called "It's, Like, Y'Know". Hilarious writing. It vanished (during the writer's strike, I think) and I assumed it was dead, but over a year later, it came back as a mid-season replacement. They got the whole cast back, but I watched a couple episodes and it was just TERRIBLE. They'd lost all their writing talent and it showed. The show was quickly cancelled for good.
Are you sure you got the title right and aren't confusing that with another show? "It's Like, You Know" aired years before the writer's strike, was not off the air for over a year, and never came back as a mid-season replacement. First season ended in May '99, and the second season premiered in Sep '99.
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Did you mean Bewitched?
It didn't hurt Roseanne or The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air in the '90's.
Are you kidding? 2nd Becky made the show BETTER. She was hotter and 10x the actress the original was.
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didn't 2nd Becky become Elliot from Scrubs ?
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:52 PM   #100
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Are you sure you got the title right and aren't confusing that with another show? "It's Like, You Know" aired years before the writer's strike, was not off the air for over a year, and never came back as a mid-season replacement. First season ended in May '99, and the second season premiered in Sep '99.
Okay....my dates were wrong and apparently the gap wasn't as long as I thought it was.

(Thanks for making me feel old, dude!)
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:01 PM   #101
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Okay....my dates were wrong and apparently the gap wasn't as long as I thought it was.

(Thanks for making me feel old, dude!)
Heh. It made me feel old when I looked up the dates too. It doesn't feel like it should have been that long ago. I used to love that show!
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:09 PM   #102
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Did you mean Bewitched?
It didn't hurt Roseanne or The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air in the '90's.
Aw, crap, you're totally right. Right premise (cute, quirky wife with supernatural abilities), wrong show.

And I think it's a stretch to compare minor supporting characters like one of Roseanne's daughters or Aunt Viv - both of whom would go episodes at a time without being seen/heard from - as being as front-and-center as one of the leads of MF, all of whom are in every episode.

Plus, I just think audiences nowadays would be upset by it, although I can't quite articulate why.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #103
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didn't 2nd Becky become Elliot from Scrubs ?
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:41 PM   #104
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Aw, crap, you're totally right. Right premise (cute, quirky wife with supernatural abilities), wrong show.

And I think it's a stretch to compare minor supporting characters like one of Roseanne's daughters or Aunt Viv - both of whom would go episodes at a time without being seen/heard from - as being as front-and-center as one of the leads of MF, all of whom are in every episode.

Plus, I just think audiences nowadays would be upset by it, although I can't quite articulate why.
Aunt Viv was absent in 20 of 147 episodes over 6 seasons.
Becky was only absent in 5 of 221 episodes over 9 seasons.
Compare those to your example, Bewitched, where Darrin was in 240 of 256 episodes over 8 seasons.
I think it's a stretch to think they are not comparable.
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Aunt Viv was absent in 20 of 147 episodes over 6 seasons.
Becky was only absent in 5 of 221 episodes over 9 seasons.
Compare those to your example, Bewitched, where Darrin was in 240 of 256 episodes over 8 seasons.
I think it's a stretch to think they are not comparable.
If your best and most recent examples are shows that last aired 15 years ago, before the advent of the internet as we know it, including social media, blogging, etc., then I don't think your examples mean as much you think they do.
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If your best and most recent examples are shows that last aired 15 years ago, before the advent of the internet as we know it, including social media, blogging, etc., then I don't think your examples mean as much you think they do.
One cast member in Modern Family has already been replaced and I know I saw TiVo forum do the research to verify that their suspicions were correct and the actor was different.
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Of course, this reminds me of one of my all-time favorite College Bowl questions:

"This member of the Brady Bunch cast was hit by a car and died following filming of the first season and all subsequent appearance were assembled from stock footage. Who was this?"

Spoiler:
Tiger, the family dog.

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One cast member in Modern Family has already been replaced and I know I saw TiVo forum do the research to verify that their suspicions were correct and the actor was different.
Are you talking about Lily? Yes, she was replaced because the parents of the twins that originally played her decided they didn't want their kids participating any longer. I don't think that required any TiVo forum research. It was pretty public knowledge.
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One cast member in Modern Family has already been replaced and I know I saw TiVo forum do the research to verify that their suspicions were correct and the actor was different.
Yeah. And everyone hates her.
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Are you talking about Lily? Yes, she was replaced because the parents of the twins that originally played her decided they didn't want their kids participating any longer. I don't think that required any TiVo forum research. It was pretty public knowledge.
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Yeah. And everyone hates her.
1) It was common knowledge (as has been pointed out)

2) It was a non-speaking part played by a toddler at first. Not exactly a leading role.

3) And yeah, she was the worst character on the show before the switch, and still is after the switch.
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3) And yeah, she was the worst character on the show before the switch, and still is after the switch.
I thought she was awesome before the switch. The unintentional comedy factor was through the roof. My friends turned it into a game; each week we'd have a pool to see who could guess closest to how many milligrams of vicodin she would be on for that episode.

New girl is just scary creepy.
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