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Old 07-27-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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AMC cancels The Killing

I gave up after the crappy ending to S1

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/27/killing-canceled/
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:58 PM   #2
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That stinks. I really liked the show. I was wondering what they were going to do with season 3. They would have had to replace most of the cast.

I liked the two leads a lot though.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #3
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I was pretty satisfied with the resolution of Rosie's murder case, and enjoyed the characters a lot, though they should have done the whole thing in one season. Basically that's what killed the show IMO.

But I don't think I'll miss it all that much.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:54 PM   #4
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Bummer, I liked it. I thought, as did pretty much all other viewers, that it should have been a one case per season show. I think the fact that it wasn't is a major contributing factor to its cancellation. Maybe another network will pick it up.

My favorite thing about the show, other than the overall mood, was the Holder character. Most of the other characters tended to annoy me at times. I didn't even realize Joel Kinnaman was (half) Swedish until I just checked his IMDB profile and saw that he's been in mostly Swedish productions. Kind of interesting since The Killing is based on a Danish show. I didn't notice that he had a Swedish accent at all on The Killing. He's playing RoboCop in next year's remake.
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That stinks. I really liked the show....
Not surprising....disappointing, though. I did like it. Would love another network to pick it up....

Totally disagree with the statement in that story that it was a "misstep" by AMC. I was NEVER under the assumption that the murder would be solved by the end of the first season. Viewers who expected that apparently were dropping acid. Yes, it might be logical to assume that, but, in my opinion AMC really broke the mold by NOT solving it in one season. Unfortunately, most "typical" viewers, I guess, couldn't handle that...

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That was a show with great promise, IMO. I ditched it after S01 and never even looked back.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:25 PM   #7
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Not surprising....disappointing, though. I did like it. Would love another network to pick it up....

Totally disagree with the statement in that story that it was a "misstep" by AMC. I was NEVER under the assumption that the murder would be solved by the end of the first season. Viewers who expected that apparently were dropping acid. Yes, it might be logical to assume that, but, in my opinion AMC really broke the mold by NOT solving it in one season. Unfortunately, most "typical" viewers, I guess, couldn't handle that...


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I think the big issue wasn't that they didn't solve the case in S1, but that AMC and the creator of the show were so smug and unapologetic when people cried foul. All the promotions for the show had touted, "Who killed Rosie Larsen?" and then they didn't answer the question and claimed they never intended to before the end of S2. Veena Sud gave several interviews where she showed no understanding or sympathy for the people who felt duped by the promotional campaign. I think it was that attitude that caused a lot of people not to bother with S2.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:25 PM   #9
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My issue was I thought this was going to be a smart detective show, doing real but "dramatized" police work.
Instead I got the obvious red herrings, lack of real police work, and the writers relying on Linden having good luck and literally running into the big break of the case when on a morning run.
Yes my expectations were very off, and I shouldn't fault the show for them. If season 1 hadn't felt like mostly a time sink I probably would have stuck with it.
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My issue was I thought this was going to be a smart detective show, doing real but "dramatized" police work.
Instead I got the obvious red herrings, lack of real police work, and the writers relying on Linden having good luck and literally running into the big break of the case when on a morning run.
Yes my expectations were very off, and I shouldn't fault the show for them. If season 1 hadn't felt like mostly a time sink I probably would have stuck with it.
Yes, that was disappointing as well. When the show first premiered, it was billed as being more realistic because they weren't going to solve a murder in an hour, but instead would explore the full process, develop the characters, etc. But instead of having any real character development, they just spent all the episodes chasing after leads that could have been ruled out in minutes with any real police work, or not investingating leads that should have been obvious.
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I gave up after the crappy ending to S1
I had a similar reaction, but I tuned in for the finale to see who-done-it. I had invested many hours of my time watching season one after all. Any thoughts on if AMC will reshow it all in one block, without a year in between episodes?
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Not surprising....disappointing, though. I did like it. Would love another network to pick it up....

Totally disagree with the statement in that story that it was a "misstep" by AMC. I was NEVER under the assumption that the murder would be solved by the end of the first season. Viewers who expected that apparently were dropping acid. Yes, it might be logical to assume that, but, in my opinion AMC really broke the mold by NOT solving it in one season. Unfortunately, most "typical" viewers, I guess, couldn't handle that...
If you were never under the assumption that the murder would be solved at the end of season one, then you were in a tiny minority. The amount of anger and frustration expressed over the non-resolution at the end of season one was felt all over by thousands of very vocal viewers!

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I think the big issue wasn't that they didn't solve the case in S1, but that AMC and the creator of the show were so smug and unapologetic when people cried foul. All the promotions for the show had touted, "Who killed Rosie Larsen?" and then they didn't answer the question and claimed they never intended to before the end of S2. Veena Sud gave several interviews where she showed no understanding or sympathy for the people who felt duped by the promotional campaign. I think it was that attitude that caused a lot of people not to bother with S2.
This was my biggest complaint as well. Veena sounded like she didn't care a BIT if the promotion gave a false impression. That was OUR fault.

If it had been give even a little different treatment, it would have gotten a very different reception, and would certainly have been renewed. It was a very good concept, and deserved a real chance. You won''t win ratings points by insulting and disregarding the feelings of your audience.

This is unfortunate, but not surprising to me.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:17 PM   #12
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AMC should have just shown the original with sub-titles.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:31 PM   #13
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Mark me down as another who ditched after the disappointing season 1 ending. They totally misjudged their audience.
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Mark me down as another who ditched after the disappointing season 1 ending. They totally misjudged their audience.
I don't think it's that they misjudged their audience. I think it's that they misinformed or misled their audience.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #15
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I don't think it's that they misjudged their audience. I think it's that they misinformed or misled their audience.

OR they misjudged the audiences capacity to swallow their "poo" and come back for more. But misinformed and misled work too!
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I'll be watching. One thing that pisses me off is what the producer Veena Sud said about the fans reaction to the S1 finale. Essentially she said it's her show, she's going to do it the way she wants, and basically doesn't care what the fans think.
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Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? What is it exactly that you don't understand about the relationship between a TV show and viewers. I've already explained why she should care about insulting viewers. Let me simplify. Make fans mad, fans go away. Fans go away, show goes away.

She doesn't have to care, but she also doesn't have to say as much.

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...If you were never under the assumption that the murder would be solved at the end of season one, then you were in a tiny minority.....
I truly was not under that assumption. I would not have been surprised had they solved it at the end of S1, but I was more pleasantly surprised that they didn't. I had no assumption one way or the other. It was a great way, in my opinion of building anticipation for S2. Perhaps I was in the minority, but that's the way I felt. I enjoyed the show beginning to end, so perhaps that also puts me in the "tiny minority"...guilty as charged.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:35 PM   #18
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Called it 6 months ago.
Your attack on me was ridiculous at the time....and it's still so.
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Your attack on me was ridiculous at the time....and it's still so.
My attack on you? You've got to be kidding me. Here was our interaction. How did I attack YOU? Did I say you lived in a dream world or were delusional?

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Why should she? How many shows cater to the fans' whim? Not many...
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Because the fans are the ones that keep her show on the air. I wouldn't say catering to their whims as much as taking some constructive criticism moving forward. Fans were pissed because the season ended without a resolution. So what do they do? Make everyone wait an entire second season. At least pretend you give a ****.

I know Lost producers listened to the fans and killed off two characters that were widely panned by fans.
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You're living in a dream world if you believe producers listen to fans...and do what they suggest...
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Where did I ever say they do what fans suggest? I said the Lost producers listened to the fans and acted accordingly.

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My point from the beginning is the producer of a show shouldn't be telling fans to basically eff off. It's generally not a good idea to piss off your customers.
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And, as I said, she could care less, and I don't blame her. Why should she. They aren't her "customers"....
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Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? What is it exactly that you don't understand about the relationship between a TV show and viewers. I've already explained why she should care about insulting viewers. Let me simplify. Make fans mad, fans go away. Fans go away, show goes away.

She doesn't have to care, but she also doesn't have to say as much.
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No, because you're under the delusion that viewers are "customers", that's why.
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Really? That's what you're going with. Fine. I'm done. Peace out.

I said the same thing DevDogAZ said in this thread. Yet you haven't responded to him at all but for some reason take great offense to the same statement when I said it. As it turned out, I was right. Veena Sud pissed off the viewers, the viewers left, and the show is no longer on the air. It sucks but it's true. Holder became one of my most favorite TV characters and now it's gone. Right now, I'm completely as to where your anger towards me is coming from. I made a statement, you responded that it was ludicrous to think as I do. I gave evidence to the contrary and you insulted my mental state. If any independent posters can point out where I was wrong here, I'd love to hear it because I'm just not seeing it. Maybe on top of living in a dream land and being delusional, I am also completely oblivious.

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Your problem (as with several here on TCF) is that you can't accept others' disagreement with your opinion. The fact that a show is canceled doesn't necessarily back up your opinion. There are other factors....and I'm done.
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The arrogance and disdain for viewers repeatedly displayed by the show's producer eventually brought her her justly earned reward, unemployment.

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I have season 2 on the DVR but have not watched it yet. Guess I can watch the last episode and then dump it. They do say who the killer is I hope?
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I won't miss it. Please just don't touch Hell on Wheels AMC!
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Frustrating. I was looking forward to where they were going to go next season.

But I'm still mad about them canceling Rubicon (it really was going somewhere...eventually).
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Mark me down as another who ditched after the disappointing season 1 ending. They totally misjudged their audience.

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I don't think it's that they misjudged their audience. I think it's that they misinformed or misled their audience.

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Frustrating. I was looking forward to where they were going to go next season.

But I'm still mad about them canceling Rubicon (it really was going somewhere...eventually).
I too loved Rubicon.

Let me be clear, at least for me, if they had not made me BELIEVE that the killer would be revealed at the end of season one, I would not have had this reaction. It was the deception, not the delivery that infuriated me.

I am a little disappointed that it has been cancelled because the probability of them ever showing the whole thing again is greatly diminished. If they would show them all, I might just watch them NOW, knowing that they will be showing the case resolution. If it had been renewed, the chances that it will be reshown would be reasonably high, but not now. Seeing the whole thing in one big block just might work--without the nine-month break.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:05 PM   #27
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I don't know if they promised that Rosie's killer would be revealed at the end of season 1. I just know that I expected them to since the vast majority of shows do. Plus, I was so sick of the depressing Larsen family and rainy, depressing Seattle that I desperately wanted a reboot for season 2. The Larsens were the worst tv family ever.
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I don't know if they promised that Rosie's killer would be revealed at the end of season 1. I just know that I expected them to since the vast majority of shows do.
I don't think they explicitly said that Rosie's killer would be revealed by the end of S1. However, all of the pre-lauch publicity for the show talked about how unique this show was in that it would take an entire season to solve a single murder rather than the typical crime-of-the-week shows. Add to that the AMC's promos which were based around the slogan, "Who killed Rosie Larsen?" and it was strongly implied that the mystery would be solved by the end of S1.
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I don't know if they promised that Rosie's killer would be revealed at the end of season 1. I just know that I expected them to since the vast majority of shows do. Plus, I was so sick of the depressing Larsen family and rainy, depressing Seattle that I desperately wanted a reboot for season 2. The Larsens were the worst tv family ever.
Possible, they are at least in the running for one of the worst. I find it interesting that Michelle Forbes won a supporting actress award for her portrayl of Mitch. Really? She won an award for being a morose, chain-smoking, negligent mother.

Stan almost killed that teacher, and of course, the teacher wasn't guilty.

Definitely a model family.
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She won an award for being a morose, chain-smoking, negligent mother.
Well, technically she won an award for her skill in playing a morose, chain-smoking, negligent mother.
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