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Old 05-07-2012, 05:29 PM   #31
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The product is a final hardware product. You are only testing the software.
Nothing is ever final until it is final.

A good example of this is the OLED S3 platform that when released the hardware was considered production ready. It was also well documented that you could move to a single M-card when the cable companies finally deployed them. Well, as we know, when the m-cards finaly arrived they would not work on the hardware. Ooops! You had to upgrade to an HD model if you wanted to avoid the second cable card charge from your cable company.

Will this hardware you are purchasing be rock solid with no hickups or issues? Maybe, maybe not. That is the risk you are taking....

If there is a hardware issue identified during beta - Ceton will make adjustments before going into full production mode and the future customers will thank you for finding the glitches for them. You on the otherhand are stuck with whatever work arounds can be implemented. Not unlike having to lease 2 s-cards as opposed to a single m-card for the remainder of the units life.

If you guys are really getting a highly discounted rate - then maybe it is worth the risk. I am not sure what the deal looks like.
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:21 AM   #32
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If you guys are really getting a highly discounted rate - then maybe it is worth the risk. I am not sure what the deal looks like.
Nobody knows what the deal looks like yet. This entire discussion is pure speculation.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:50 PM   #33
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From the email update they just sent out, they had 1000 beta slots for the Echo and had more applicants than slots.

The Echo has a MSRP of $179.99.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:15 PM   #34
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Im not a echo beta tester. a lot of people are complaining about the 179$ price. I would like to buy one for my bedroom

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From the email update they just sent out, they had 1000 beta slots for the Echo and had more applicants than slots.

The Echo has a MSRP of $179.99.

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Old 07-15-2012, 05:39 PM   #35
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That sounds like a decent price for a low power extender.

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Old 07-15-2012, 05:56 PM   #36
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Im not a echo beta tester. a lot of people are complaining about the 179$ price. I would like to buy one for my bedroom
I have only seen two people complain and it sounds like they thought it was going to be $99 which Ceton never said. They just said they were aiming for less than a 360.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:28 PM   #37
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I was not picked for the beta

I was expecting a $199 price so $179 seems good. The price will surely come down especially on sale.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:35 PM   #38
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I was picked. I'm hoping to get picked for the Q also which would help a lot with my set up.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:51 AM   #39
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I got picked and confirmed my commitment to join the Beta testing program in September. Some people have been griping about the $179 cost to join the program, but we get to play with the box for months before the rest of the public and the standard warranty period doesn't begin until it's available commercially. We'll also be getting the final software update when it goes public.

I've got an X-Box 360 that was purchased for use as an extender but found it to be too noisy, too hot, and had inadequate codec support for many popular video formats. The Ceton Echo will hopefully provide better support for additional formats and will definitely run cooler and quieter based on earlier reports. We never used the X-Box for gaming so that's a non-issue.
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Is there any more informaiton available regarding when the Q and Echo will be available at retail, or regarding the price of the Q?
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Is there any more informaiton available regarding when the Q and Echo will be available at retail, or regarding the price of the Q?
Echo is due by the holidays, and there will be news on the Q in September.

http://cetoncorp.com/blog/its-been-a-busy-6-months/
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:41 PM   #42
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In the world of technology, this "due" date means we'll probably see it most likely sometime in the spring or summer of 2013. Remember, I said it here first :-)
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In the world of technology, this "due" date means we'll probably see it most likely sometime in the spring or summer of 2013. Remember, I said it here first :-)
The beta test is finished hardware. They are just testing the software.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #44
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Nothing is ever final until it is final.
A good example of this is the OLED S3 platform that when released the hardware was considered production ready. It was also well documented that you could move to a single M-card when the cable companies finally deployed them. Well, as we know, when the m-cards finaly arrived they would not work on the hardware. Ooops! You had to upgrade to an HD model if you wanted to avoid the second cable card charge from your cable company.
I have one of the original S3's. I am pretty sure it was Tivo that didn't want to make software changes for an end of life product and not the hardware. Although with the early slots maybe it was a pita.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:24 PM   #45
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I think echo also has a browser, which makes it interesting if it let's you watch video on your TV like google TV.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:57 PM   #46
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Picked for the Echo and looking forward to getting to beta test it when it's available
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:34 PM   #47
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I have one of the original S3's. I am pretty sure it was Tivo that didn't want to make software changes for an end of life product and not the hardware. Although with the early slots maybe it was a pita.
I can't provide a citation at the moment, but I think they've basically confirmed here that it was hardware, not just software.
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I can't provide a citation at the moment, but I think they've basically confirmed here that it was hardware, not just software.
TiVoPony's comments on the subject.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...sk#post6149876
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...rd#post7854359

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Likewise, features such as QAM remapping and M-Card S3 support do not target a significant portion of our subscribers, both are in fact very small numbers of subscribers. That doesn't mean that they automatically get set aside, or that TiVo is ignoring or doesn't care about those customers. But it is a consideration when trading off those features against others (M-Card for S3 is technically possible, but also technically very complex. We've learned that there is a lot of risk inherent in that development).
The risk and complexity were because the S3 hardware was set before there were any certified Mcards to test with. As I recall, things did not work exactly as expected. It really doesn't matter whether you consider that a hardware or software issue. Ultimately it was cost vs benefit that caused TiVo to nix M-card development for the original S3.
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