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Was that preview scene taking place in Albuquerque? Walt had a New Hampshire driver's license. That's quite a drive from NM. I never saw an old Denny's like that with loose chairs at the counter.
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Yeah, that was Albuquerque. Here's the Denny's it was shot at: Linky
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Was that preview scene taking place in Albuquerque? Walt had a New Hampshire driver's license. That's quite a drive from NM. I never saw an old Denny's like that with loose chairs at the counter.
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Yeah, that was Albuquerque. Here's the Denny's it was shot at: Linky |
Weird, I thought the Denny's was in CA. Didn't the waitress say something like, "New Hampshire's a long way from California"?
I only watched it once. 
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The main theme that Vince Gilligan had in mind from the start was the guy "Breaking Bad" going from Milquetoast to Brutal Crime Kingpin.
I'd look for Walt to be Tony Montana at the end, maybe losing the family and getting offed in a blaze of gunfire.
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I agree, except I don't think he'll get offed. He'll lose everything, including his family and the meth kingdom he's constructed, but he'll survive and be in full remission because that's more deliciously ironic from a storytelling perspective.
Last year in a BB thread here someone imagined and posted about a final scene that had Walt broken, unable to speak, his family dead, confined to a wheelchair, with the final scene being a nurse coming in to affix a bell. That's brilliant - I'd love that ending.
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Weird, I thought the Denny's was in CA. Didn't the waitress say something like, "New Hampshire's a long way from California"?
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She noticed his license was from New Hampshire. She said that's a long way away. Walt said it was about a 30 hour drive if all you stop for is gas. She asked if he was headed to California. He said no, he was there in that town for business. They never specifically said they were in Albuquerque, but they definitely weren't in California and it was definitely filmed in Albuquerque and not disguised to look like a different location.
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She noticed his license was from New Hampshire. She said that's a long way away. Walt said it was about a 30 hour drive if all you stop for is gas. She asked if he was headed to California. He said no, he was there in that town for business. They never specifically said they were in Albuquerque, but they definitely weren't in California and it was definitely filmed in Albuquerque and not disguised to look like a different location.
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And Bobby Singer (the gun salesman) met him there. Probably local.
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Last year in a BB thread here someone imagined and posted about a final scene that had Walt broken, unable to speak, his family dead, confined to a wheelchair, with the final scene being a nurse coming in to affix a bell. That's brilliant - I'd love that ending.
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That was me.
I'd still like that ending, but maybe the family wouldn't have to be dead -- perhaps they're alive but have completely disowned Walt after discovering all of the horrible things he's done.
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Exactly, so the beginning clip was about 2 years after this whole Pilot.
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I don't think so; we've already covered a lot of that time through Seasons 1-4....
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You know, I'm still a little perplexed by Walt poisoning the little boy....I know he did it to incite Jesse to join him in killing Gus....but it seems extreme. There certainly were other ways to do that without jeopardizing the life of an innocent child.
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Agreed. But just like he let Jessie's GF die and chose to kill off of the other chemist, he doesn't hesitate to kill others to save himself. Again, this adds more fuel and justification for it ending very badly for Walt.
In the first seasons, I wanted Walt to dump Jessie's ignorant azz but time after time, Jessie demonstrated a greater sense of humanity as compared to Walt.
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I don't think so; we've already covered a lot of that time through Seasons 1-4....
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Here's a timeline that covers through the end of season 3: http://www.vulture.com/2011/07/break..._calendar.html
That indicates only 31 weeks has passed over those 3 seasons. I think we're way less than 6 months beyond point by the end of season 4.
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Holy CRAP...Beneke is ALIVE!
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And Beneke was truly terrified of her "I got a wife and kids - I won't say anything". She broke Walt down to a shell of a man before he broke bad, now she chewed up and spit out Beneke.
I think she is really starting to like the idea of all that money.
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I liked Walt better as a struggling (and winning) good guy. Him poisoning Brock to get Jesse back on his 'side' bugged me. Really a lot. I wish they had done something else to get them on the same team. It was interesting to see Jesse on his own with Mike and all in season 4, and yet still be loyal to Mr. White, and him to Jesse. But the two of them fighting the bad guys is fun. I loved the curve in season 4 that his wife threw him by using the money for IRS.
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And Beneke was truly terrified of her "I got a wife and kids - I won't say anything".
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What a time for the cable to go out - just after he opened the car trunk. Oh well - it will be repeated next week.
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I got the impression that Walt is really starting to behave a lot more like Gus. Both in mannerism and ruthlessness.
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What a time for the cable to go out - just after he opened the car trunk. Oh well - it will be repeated next week.
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Heck, it's being repeated repeatedly this week 
Plus, it's being streamed online...
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I liked Walt better as a struggling (and winning) good guy. Him poisoning Brock to get Jesse back on his 'side' bugged me. Really a lot. I wish they had done something else to get them on the same team.
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As has been said, this is a show about the protagonist turning into a bad guy before our eyes. At some point during the show, the viewer will stop rooting for Walt and realize he has to be stopped. And the interesting part is that for each viewer, that point will be different. For some, it's already happened. For you, it sounds like it happened at the end of S4. For others, it may not have happened yet.
Another interesting thing is when the viewer switches loyalty from Walt to Jesse. At the beginning of the series, Walt was the "hero" and Jesse was the idiot screw up. As Walt has "broken bad," Jesse has largely stayed the same and Walt has now passed Jesse. So it's understandable if the viewer now roots for Jesse over Walter, and that switch will also come at a different place for each viewer.
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I think for me, Jane's death was the turning point where Walt went from antihero to villain. But I still can't help but root for him. It's similar to my feelings regarding Dexter, who has strayed farther from his code each season. Both actors play the character so well (though the writing on Dexter has deteriorated, where Breaking Bad has remained strong throughout).
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Objectively I have no problem knowing that Walt is certainly one of the bad guys - in fact, maybe the worst of them - but when I'm watching I keep finding myself rooting for him.  
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I think you/we root for him because we've gone through this journey with him, and experienced his transformation with him.
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As has been said, this is a show about the protagonist turning into a bad guy before our eyes. At some point during the show, the viewer will stop rooting for Walt and realize he has to be stopped. And the interesting part is that for each viewer, that point will be different. For some, it's already happened. For you, it sounds like it happened at the end of S4. For others, it may not have happened yet.
Another interesting thing is when the viewer switches loyalty from Walt to Jesse. At the beginning of the series, Walt was the "hero" and Jesse was the idiot screw up. As Walt has "broken bad," Jesse has largely stayed the same and Walt has now passed Jesse. So it's understandable if the viewer now roots for Jesse over Walter, and that switch will also come at a different place for each viewer.
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Since I only started watching from the reruns, I wasn't aware of this but I do agree.
The turning point for me was later in season 4 when Walt kept ignoring Jessie's cry for help. He should have cashed in that 'rain check' and taken Jessie to drive bumper cars. He watched Jessie sink into deep depression and did nothing. In Season 1, Walt told Jessie to be more agressive and later exploit his killer reputation but hardly supported him when wanted revenge for his friend's murder and later the murder of the child.
Interestingly, Mike and Gus both figured this out before I did.
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Concerning the laptop, wouldn't the first thing the authorities have done would be to pull the hard drive to have it analyzed, rendering the magnet project meaningless?
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We're all assuming that the "Magnets, Yo!" plan actually worked. That remains to be seen. All we have been told is that the laptop screen was cracked. We didn't hear confirmation that the data on the drive is unrecoverable. For that matter, maybe the authorities did pull the drive and the laptop in storage was driveless.
For the sake of the story, though, I'd guess the plan was a success.
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We're all assuming that the "Magnets, Yo!" plan actually worked. That remains to be seen. All we have been told is that the laptop screen was cracked. We didn't hear confirmation that the data on the drive is unrecoverable. For that matter, maybe the authorities did pull the drive and the laptop in storage was driveless.
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The evidence bag was still sealed. What is the police procedure if they opened the bag and pulled the drive from the laptop? Would they put it back into the same bag? Put it in a new bag and seal it?
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We're all assuming that the "Magnets, Yo!" plan actually worked.
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The royal we, I suppose.
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For anyone who hasn't seen them in the past, don't forget to check out these sites for a chuckle:
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
http://www.savewalterwhite.com/
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This discussion brings up another interesting point: does a "bad guy" really consider himself a bad guy? In many cases yes, but in most cases, no. The bad guy doesn't think he's bad, he's just doing what he needs to do. He doesn't see that he's crossed the line, and probably wouldn't even remember those moments such as when he tells Skyler, "I've won." Or when he says to Saul, "We're finished when I say we're finished."
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Yay! Finally watched. So so so happy it's back. Just in time since I'm out of new Supernatural to watch!! Sorry for the quote from hell!
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Last year in a BB thread here someone imagined and posted about a final scene that had Walt broken, unable to speak, his family dead, confined to a wheelchair, with the final scene being a nurse coming in to affix a bell. That's brilliant - I'd love that ending.
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Oh wow, that would be utterly brilliant. I have had it in my mind that Jesse needed to kill him in the end. But somehow this might be better. Maybe we can watch Jesse go visit him and taunt him like Gus did to Tio.
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Indeed!!
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I don't think there's anyone that can argue this. This is pretty much exactly when he turned into the villain.
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I only root for Jesse at this point. Even though he's one of the bad guys, he's a victim of his own stupidity and not a black heart like Walt is becoming.
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