New youtube app - Page 3

lark1000 · 05-27-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cwoody222

I wanted to watch a 30-episode series on the YouTube app last night. Since that would have been a lot of searching (and the search wasn't yielding the same results as my Mac or iPad) I looked for a better way.

I finally figured out I could add each episode to a playlist, in order, from the iPad. Subscriptions didn't work

So I had to find each episode, add it, then go watch it.

It worked but it wasn't the most elegant solution.

I would have hoped for a better way.

But I really don't mind the simplified look of the UI. And the video quality was very good.

I kinda see where you are going with this. In a way its not much different from how the Netflix app worked previously to this new one. You add everything onto a playlist from the computer, then you see the list in that order on Tivo and watch it. Ill take that for youtube over this current new crappy setup!

Maybe its my lack of Youtube knowledge, but I never mess with playlists before. I found where you create a new list and name it but I cant find out how you add other youtube vids to it?

tron1977 · 05-29-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sbiller

There is one issue which requires you to re-pair the second screen device every time you launch the App.

Yeah, I though the pairing was AWESOME. Until I quit and went back in... and had to re-pair. Sucks.

TerpBE · 05-30-2012, 04:10 PM

The layout isn't intuitive at all. Let's say you want to search for something. You go "down" to get to the search option, but then what? Do you hit "select"? "Right"? "Right and then select"?

I usually do all of the above and eventually get to the search menu, but since it takes several seconds to respond to the button presses, I'm not actually sure which one got me there.

lark1000 · 05-30-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TerpBE

The layout isn't intuitive at all. Let's say you want to search for something. You go "down" to get to the search option, but then what? Do you hit "select"? "Right"? "Right and then select"?

I usually do all of the above and eventually get to the search menu, but since it takes several seconds to respond to the button presses, I'm not actually sure which one got me there.

Yeah the button response time compares to what plagued the Tivo Premiere up to the last service update which finally fixed it a few months ago.

Its definitely not user or casual friendly though! The only use I can find with it is to create playlists on the computer that are titled the same as the subscriptions I have. Then add all the items from each subscription into the same named playlists. That way, those playlists show up individually through the Youtube app on Tivo. Yeah its a lot of extra steps than what you would think is necessary but its not much different from how the Netflix app was on Tivo before this new version.

SpikeDad · 05-30-2012, 05:11 PM

Both the Youtube and Netflix apps are GARBAGE. That could be excusable except that they're garbage in different ways since Tivo allow Google and Netflix to write their OWN apps.

I cannot get my brain around this decision. To allow options to be included in the Tivo OS that don't comply with the standards of Tivo operation that have been consistent forever.

Just seeing the 2 different keyboard pickers made me insane.

I'm just thankful for my AppleTV2 which provides an easy to use, consistent and top quality method to access both of these services. I am just waiting for the Apple TV to be introduced and I hope upon hope it includes a DVR function so I can trash my Tivo at long last.

lark1000 · 05-30-2012, 05:22 PM

I havent messed too much with the new Tivo app but from what I can tell, it seems to be pretty much the same as how its on PS3 and other items. It also seems to have and do everything it should, am I missing something? Yeah the standard Tivo OS functions dont seem to work with it but I can get over that. But is there something else about the new app im missing that everyone is having?

The Youtube app, its stuff like that which makes me wonder what things were like at the headquarters and at the R&D department. Someone at some point looked at the completed version of this app and said "Yep, weve got something here! Its perfect and everyone will love it! We are going to rule the world with this creation!! Its now gold, send it to the world and await the praise!"...or something in that manner ;-). So did they not even notice all the probs and limitations that such a bad creation has??

EdR · 05-30-2012, 08:20 PM

Also, if you search and play a video in the search list, when that video finishes it automatically starts playing the next video in the list - no way to get back to search or menu that I can find.

Do they even test their apps. Have they heard of beta testers?

ajergo · 05-30-2012, 08:33 PM

To get back to the Search menu, you have to first press Play button and then press the up arrow on your TiVo remote. I know it makes no sense at all. Everything is totally counter intuitive. To make matters worse, there is no documentation that I know of that spells out exactly how to navigate this new You Tube App that Google wrote.

chrispitude · 06-03-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SpikeDad

Both the Youtube and Netflix apps are GARBAGE. That could be excusable except that they're garbage in different ways since Tivo allow Google and Netflix to write their OWN apps.

I cannot get my brain around this decision. To allow options to be included in the Tivo OS that don't comply with the standards of Tivo operation that have been consistent forever.

Just seeing the 2 different keyboard pickers made me insane.

I couldn't agree more. After patiently waiting for an update to both apps, I'm disappointed to see that both have taken a step BACKWARDS from their poor initial state!

Some observations from my very first use:

There is a long delay on startup.
There is no sound feedback for remote button presses, in the menus or in the on-screen keyboard.
The keyboard is very laggy, made even worse by the lack of audio feedback. The "normal" lag is interspersed with even longer pauses as it searches for results on your partial entry, so that even the lag delay isn't predictable.
Channel-up and channel-down don't page through the results.
Two minutes into the video, I tried using the 7-second skipback to hear something again, and it went back to the beginning of the video instead.
Going "left" to exit out of the video and go back to the results (the normal TiVo convention) doesn't work.
I hit the Clear button to go back to the results instead, and the screen turned black and stayed that way until I hit the TiVo button to go back to the main menu.

If I could opt out of the YouTube and Netflix app updates, I would in a heartbeat. Regardless of any new features they might offer, the concensus from my wife and I is that they are both significant steps backward in usefulness.

ajergo · 06-03-2012, 03:25 PM

I am not sure if this link is posted elsewhere in this Discussion thread, but here is a link to documentation on how to use the new You Tube App for Premiere boxes:
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/251

I did not realize the You Tube App provided by Google was called "Leanback", but I guess that is the official name.

I do not like this App very much myself (like most people in this discussion thread). BUT regardless if you love it or hate it, for now if you want to use You Tube on TiVo, we all have to learn how to use it and its definitely not easy to figure out on your own. These instructions on the TiVo Web site help a lot.

MC Hammer · 06-03-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ajergo

I am not sure if this link is posted elsewhere in this Discussion thread, but here is a link to documentation on how to use the new You Tube App for Premiere boxes:
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/251

I did not realize the You Tube App provided by Google was called "Leanback", but I guess that is the official name.

I do not like this App very much myself (like most people in this discussion thread). BUT regardless if you love it or hate it, for now if you want to use You Tube on TiVo, we all have to learn how to use it and its definitely not easy to figure out on your own. These instructions on the TiVo Web site help a lot.

A similar article exists for Netflix: http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/266/

aadam101 · 06-03-2012, 05:11 PM

I noticed that the keyboard on the iPad is completely useless in the Youtube and Netflix apps. You can type but you can't use the space bar or backspace buttons. You can only use those functions with the on screen keyboard. Why would Tivo allow this?

mikeyts · 06-04-2012, 05:18 PM

Can the new YouTube app play 1080 res video?

TerpBE · 06-07-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ajergo

I did not realize the You Tube App provided by Google was called "Leanback", but I guess that is the official name.

It would be more appropriate if they called it "stepback", since that's what it is.

chrispitude · 06-12-2012, 08:10 PM

WHY DOES 7-SECOND SKIPBACK TAKE ME ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BEGINNING?

Arrrrgh. I hate it. I really do.

CoxInPHX · 06-12-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyts

Can the new YouTube app play 1080 res video?

Does not appear so, however 720p does work and looks fine.

w/ 720p, 1080i and 1080p selected, 720p is displayed, w/o 720p selected, 1080i is displayed.

I really hate that videos with ads cannot be played.

chrispitude · 06-21-2012, 03:52 PM

I absolutely despise this app.

My wife tried to play the animated "Honey Bear" video for our 16-month-old son. On the first attempt, we got to sit through a YouTube advertisement before the video played. Then it played for about 10 seconds and hung. When my wife tried a second time, it played for two seconds and then skipped to the next video in the search results. When my wife tried a third time, we got a message saying "This video is not available." On the fourth try, it played through without issues.

She hates it too.

kwajr · 06-21-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RTPGiants

Add another person who finds this app terrible. The individual subscription episode feature being missing is killer.

What's worse is LG changed their app to the same as this awful one. I guess it's Google's fault really but wow just wow.

subscription is useless now i im a heavy user of youtube on tivo but now i always use my xbox

dsnotgood · 06-25-2012, 12:36 AM

I hate the YouTube app as well. Try using the YouTube remote app. Works really great from my android phone. You can search and add videos to the current play list. I was very shocked how easy it all worked.

burdellgp · 06-28-2012, 05:25 PM

The Youtube app is definately written by somebody other than TiVo. Is is the same app as on my Vizio TV (with the Adobe Flash-based app engine); it sucks there just as much. The Xbox Youtube interface works great for me, although even though it is downloaded to the hard drive, it takes just as long (if not longer) to start up as the TiVo and Vizio apps.

mikeyts · 06-28-2012, 06:02 PM

The Xbox seems to be the only platform getting custom video apps (they're up to 24 of them now, not counting the FiOS and Comcast ones). They all have been given Metro styling and can be controlled with voice and gestural commands through Kinect.

The only exception is Amazon Streaming Instant Video, which has a different interface on every platform I have it for (PS3, Roku 2, Xbox, Sony BDP-S390, Panasonic DMP-BDT220). All but the BDP-S390 have stylistic elements in common--colors, fonts, etc.

inahaz · 07-03-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aadam101

I noticed that the keyboard on the iPad is completely useless in the Youtube and Netflix apps. You can type but you can't use the space bar or backspace buttons. You can only use those functions with the on screen keyboard. Why would Tivo allow this?

It looks like I am a bit slow to try this out. I became so frustrated with the interface and iPad typing i will not use it again until it is fixed. I would love to find a way to revert to the old version (and will send a message to TiVo hoping it may help). Aadam is correct. The space bar and backspace buttons do not work. So, you have to use both the TiVo remote and the iPad to type a search.

The whole YouTube experience I have loved on the TiVo is lost. My family and I would start with a search phrase and then use the drill down suggestions to explore. It seems like the drill down suggestions are no longer available. (Specific example: Going to an upcoming "train" concert so we were looking for train music videos. Did this previously on old version and tons of suggestions were available. When entering "train official video" ... Having to use two remotes due to the space bar issue... One train video came up. After watching it, the following suggestions were the same.

This is unusable for how I typically use YouTube. Frustrating as well. I will now plug in the iPad to the tv. Much better interface. I do not speak for all... But I would like to see the old interface returned.

mcdyas · 07-04-2012, 07:40 AM

i've got a premiere and a series 3. the premiere has the new and incredibly awful youtube interface. the series 3 still has the old and very functional interface. i'm really hoping they don't "upgrade" my series 3 software. any way i can block that?

CoxInPHX · 07-04-2012, 07:50 AM

About zero chance of the S3 getting the update.

magnus · 07-04-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CoxInPHX

About zero chance of the S3 getting the update.

And if they did, the only way to block it is to hack your box. Or unplug the network cable.

aadam101 · 07-04-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by inahaz

It looks like I am a bit slow to try this out. I became so frustrated with the interface and iPad typing i will not use it again until it is fixed. I would love to find a way to revert to the old version (and will send a message to TiVo hoping it may help). Aadam is correct. The space bar and backspace buttons do not work. So, you have to use both the TiVo remote and the iPad to type a search.

The whole YouTube experience I have loved on the TiVo is lost. My family and I would start with a search phrase and then use the drill down suggestions to explore. It seems like the drill down suggestions are no longer available. (Specific example: Going to an upcoming "train" concert so we were looking for train music videos. Did this previously on old version and tons of suggestions were available. When entering "train official video" ... Having to use two remotes due to the space bar issue... One train video came up. After watching it, the following suggestions were the same.

This is unusable for how I typically use YouTube. Frustrating as well. I will now plug in the iPad to the tv. Much better interface. I do not speak for all... But I would like to see the old interface returned.

I have given up on using the app. Without the iPad keyboard it is nearly impossible. This is just utter incompetence.

RigbyPA · 07-11-2012, 02:27 AM

They will be fixing the fact that you can't select individual subscriptions right?

I really can't believe how broken this is.

BigHat · 07-11-2012, 07:09 AM

You guys are so right. I thought I was missing something but this is a total disaster app.

inahaz · 07-12-2012, 09:40 PM

I sent a message to TiVo last week expressing my disappointment with the app. I did get a response saying last weeks 20.2.1 release should solve my issues. I have not noticed a difference.

I did ask if they would consider reverting to the old interface. That was not addressed in the response, but it appears to me it would be the most welcomed fix. (I admit I do not have an appreciation on what this would logistically entail.)

robaustin · 07-15-2012, 07:47 PM

Something interesting I noticed today about the YouTube app.

I found this in the app on my Samsung Smart TV first. The apps are virtuallythe same on the TV and on the Tivo.

There is a new menu selection from the My YouTube area called "Pair Screen"

What this lets you do - is essentially control what you are watching on the app, with a mobile device. You pair your iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, Android Phone with the Tivo. Then you can use the mobile interface on THAT to tell the youTube app what you want to see. In this way - you CAN see your subscriptions and then choose videos - it's actually pretty neat the way it works - you choose a video on the mobile device - and it starts playing about 2 seconds later on the TV.

I know not everyone has or wants to use the mobile device to control the TV - but with so many of us already using them while watching TV - it does become a progressive step to do this. I'd still like to see direct access to subscriptions, but this is not a bad solution.

--*Rob