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Old 06-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #1
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NFL shifting second game of doubleheaders to 4:25 ET

This is REALLY going to screw up CBS' Sunday night schedule. I hope (but I doubt) that CBS finally gets smart and does what Fox does, not schedule anything concrete during the 7-8 hour and shows a highlights package instead. There is some reason why they insist on 60 Minutes starting before 8PM on Sundays. I am not sure what that is. I watch 60 Minutes, but think they could table it until the season is over, and perhaps schedule special editions on weeks where there is no late game.
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Old people...old people love 60 Minutes and don't they go to bed at 8pm?
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:31 PM   #3
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Football running over and the inflexibility of 60 minutes has screwed up so many SPs for CBS shows on Sunday night. My wife loves The Good Wife and it's fortunate for her we also watched CSI Miami so we could catch the overruns. But at least 4 or 5 CSI Miamis were recorded without the ending leaving us to go to the web if we wanted to see what happened.

I agree that FOX has the better model, and I never thought I would be saying that out loud.
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Football running over and the inflexibility of 60 minutes has screwed up so many SPs for CBS shows on Sunday night. My wife loves The Good Wife and it's fortunate for her we also watched CSI Miami so we could catch the overruns. But at least 4 or 5 CSI Miamis were recorded without the ending leaving us to go to the web if we wanted to see what happened.

I agree that FOX has the better model, and I never thought I would be saying that out loud.
We had a similar issue, but after the first time, I just padded the recording by 90 minutes.
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This seems to be good news for people that actually watch the doubleheaders and want to see the conclusion of the early game before they cut away to show the late game.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:45 PM   #6
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From a football fan standpoint, I love it. From a fan of CBS Sunday night shows, I hate it. The scrambling to pad stuff is always annoying. I normally record the first 3 hours of CBS (yes I'm an old fogey and enjoy 60 Minutes) so padding into 10 o'clock has sometimes been a challenge considering sometimes there are two ten o'clock shows on other networks I might want to record and then have to make a choice.
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From a football fan standpoint, I love it. From a fan of CBS Sunday night shows, I hate it. The scrambling to pad stuff is always annoying. I normally record the first 3 hours of CBS (yes I'm an old fogey and enjoy 60 Minutes) so padding into 10 o'clock has sometimes been a challenge considering sometimes there are two ten o'clock shows on other networks I might want to record and then have to make a choice.
Yeah, in that case (only two tuners) you have some choices to make. I wound up getting 4 tuners, and eventually 6 tuners.
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The advantage FOX has is they don't have programming after 10pm leaves lots of options open.

I think has technology gets better you will see shows coming from the internet anyway as onDemand gets bigger. So it does not matter if football runs 45 minutes over all the shows coming from the networks will already be queuing on your DVR or just available streaming from the cloud.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:09 PM   #9
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From a football fan standpoint, I love it. From a fan of CBS Sunday night shows, I hate it. The scrambling to pad stuff is always annoying. I normally record the first 3 hours of CBS (yes I'm an old fogey and enjoy 60 Minutes) so padding into 10 o'clock has sometimes been a challenge considering sometimes there are two ten o'clock shows on other networks I might want to record and then have to make a choice.
CBS could easily fix this, but they choose not to.
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CBS could easily fix this, but they choose not to.
How?
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How?
Start 60 Minutes an hour later.
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The advantage FOX has is they don't have programming after 10pm leaves lots of options open.
The disadvantage is, a considerable number of Fox affiliates treat their 10 PM news programs as selling points for the station, especially in areas where a lot of people get up really early in the morning in order to get to work on time, because of some combination of traffic and a 6:30 AM stock market opening in the west. A 4:25 PM start really increases the chance of a game running past 8 PM (and Fox keeps NFL coverage going until all games end, as it invariably gets higher ratings than anything else they have on Sundays), and it's Fox's policy to show its entire Sunday night schedule, even if it means everybody's 10 PM news in the eastern half of the country starts at 10:15.
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Start 60 Minutes an hour later.
yup.

Or do some sort of post late game wrap up show like Fox. They could either push back the late local news or simply drop a portion of prime time programming. If the goal is to make sure the precious 60 Minutes stays intact for a full 60 minutes, they can do it.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:01 PM   #14
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That fixes nothing. They don't want one of their best shows starting at 11pm. That totally messes up the dynamics of ratings and scheduling.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:06 PM   #15
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That fixes nothing. They don't want one of their best shows starting at 11pm. That totally messes up the dynamics of ratings and scheduling.

what show is that?

if its good, they can move it to another slot. Besides, if you have a DVR, why does it matter?
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:28 PM   #16
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But at least 4 or 5 CSI Miamis were recorded without the ending leaving us to go to the web if we wanted to see what happened.
For us we got fed up with it and were tiring of CSI Miami. Deleted our season pass a season or two ago. Don't miss it at all.

And now the show has been canceled anyway.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #17
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There is really no way that CBS can schedule 60 Minutes at 7pm Eastern on days where they have an afternoon game.
The earliest they can schedule something would be 7:30pm and most of the time it's going to be pushed until 8pm.
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what show is that?

if its good, they can move it to another slot. Besides, if you have a DVR, why does it matter?
The whole dynamic changes if they move a show..even if a show starts late it gets credit from where it was supposed to start.

If you move 60 Minutes to 7pm then essentially you are running the Mentalist at 11pm against local news and the local news now starts at midnight and doesn't get paired with other local news and compared against those in ratings.

I think the easiest thing for CBS to do is to drop a show from Sunday lineup during football season. I would think the Amazing Race.
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I think the easiest thing for CBS to do is to drop a show from Sunday lineup during football season. I would think the Amazing Race.
yes. I think that would be the best way to handle it. Just run Amazing Race during the NFL off-season.
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I think the easiest thing for CBS to do is to drop a show from Sunday lineup during football season. I would think the Amazing Race.
The only problem with that is, what do you air in its place in the six weeks during the NFL regular season after the TV season starts that aren't CBS doubleheader days?
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The only problem with that is, what do you air in its place in the six weeks during the NFL regular season after the TV season starts that aren't CBS doubleheader days?
I think you still air an hour long NFL highlight wrap up show.
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The disadvantage is, a considerable number of Fox affiliates treat their 10 PM news programs as selling points for the station, especially in areas where a lot of people get up really early in the morning in order to get to work on time, because of some combination of traffic and a 6:30 AM stock market opening in the west. A 4:25 PM start really increases the chance of a game running past 8 PM (and Fox keeps NFL coverage going until all games end, as it invariably gets higher ratings than anything else they have on Sundays), and it's Fox's policy to show its entire Sunday night schedule, even if it means everybody's 10 PM news in the eastern half of the country starts at 10:15.
What does the stock market opening at 6:30am in the west have to do with NFL Football? You do know that the NFL doesn't impact 10pm news on the west coast right?
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From a football fan POV I love it. I don't watch Sunday night CBS programming any more anyway. Sunday night football, bay-bee!
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The only problem with that is, what do you air in its place in the six weeks during the NFL regular season after the TV season starts that aren't CBS doubleheader days?
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The only problem with that is, what do you air in its place in the six weeks during the NFL regular season after the TV season starts that aren't CBS doubleheader days?
Some portion of the country gets a game in the second slot on CBS even in weeks when CBS doesn't have the doubleheader. So, it still has late football to deal with in those weeks. Though I'm reading that those games - second slot games on the network that doesn't have a doubleheader - will still start at 4:05 like now.

Here's an idea: why not start the early games at 12:30?
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Some portion of the country gets a game in the second slot on CBS even in weeks when CBS doesn't have the doubleheader. So, it still has late football to deal with in those weeks. Though I'm reading that those games - second slot games on the network that doesn't have a doubleheader - will still start at 4:05 like now.

Here's an idea: why not start the early games at 12:30?
Because 9:30am is too early for football.
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Because 9:30am is too early for football.
I guess. So here's a deal. Games involving teams from Mountain or Pacific - even road games - always start at 4:05 or later ET. Early games only when both teams are from the Eastern or Central time zones.
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I guess. So here's a deal. Games involving teams from Mountain or Pacific - even road games - always start at 4:05 or later ET. Early games only when both teams are from the Eastern or Central time zones.
After watching the first game and downing a few beers, that's too complicated for the average football fan

Seriously, drop one of the shows from CBS schedule. Do a hightlights show between 7 and 8, or do what Fox does, run reruns of some of their sitcoms from 7:30 to 8 when there is no overrun. Or, how about this...run 60 Minutes "Special Edition" during those football weeks and run with just one story and start it at 7:30? This still satisfies the 60 Minutes fans somewhat and they can go and keep their schedule. But I guess, since ratings are relatively strong on CBS the way they do things now for their Sunday shows, they aren't going to mess with it. So get used to that 10 o'clock block starting at 11 on those DH Sundays.
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Move 60 Minutes to Monday.

I hate 3 PM games now so am glad the only team I watch (Texans) plays most of their's at noon.
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I guess. So here's a deal. Games involving teams from Mountain or Pacific - even road games - always start at 4:05 or later ET. Early games only when both teams are from the Eastern or Central time zones.
Why should the NFL adjust for CBS? Just move 60 minutes, and it solves the issue. or move another show during the season.
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