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Old 06-06-2012, 01:11 PM   #211
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I too assumed he had someone in the audience whispering the descriptions in his ear via a wireless earpiece, and that he stuck the earpiece in his ear when wrapping the unnecessary extra tape around his head, and that he removed and discarded it with the tape when he took the tape off. I'd be curious to see whether he could still "read the judges' minds" if the pictures they drew were hidden from the view of the audience.

That story about the war veteran is crazy if true. Wow.
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Poe had a stutter when he spoke with the judges, which he attributed to his brain injury. The stutter disappeared when he sang. He also didn't appear to stutter when he spoke with the show's host after his performance.
Google "Mel Tillis" and you'll see that this isn't the first time there has been a stuttering Country Singer. I think this dude simply ripped off his whole act. The only difference being, that in Mel Tillis' case the stutter was real.


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I have no doubt that the guy's stutter is real. It just seems that it's not the result of a service-related injury like he claims it was.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:17 PM   #213
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I have no doubt that the guy's stutter is real. It just seems that it's not the result of a service-related injury like he claims it was.
I'm not so sure... Why would he lie about how it happened? If it wasn't in the Military then how did he suddenly become a stutterer? I think if he lied about one, he could be lying about the other. Unless of course it happened as the result of a drunk driving accident or something like that where he'd need a better back story... I guess we'll see. Something like this isn't going to go away.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:19 PM   #214
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Oh my, that pole dancer...

Like a train wreck, that was so bad I couldn't avert my eyes.
Whoever rigged the pole did a good job.
did anyone else notice how disgusting the bottoms of her feet were?
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:24 PM   #215
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I'm not so sure... Why would he lie about how it happened? If it wasn't in the Military then how did he suddenly become a stutterer? I think if he lied about one, he could be lying about the other. Unless of course it happened as the result of a drunk driving accident or something like that where he'd need a better back story... I guess we'll see. Something like this isn't going to go away.
Maybe he's lying about suddenly becoming a stutterer. Maybe he's had the stutter his whole life. Maybe it's the result of a non-service related injury and he says it's service related to get more sympathy.

Faking stuttering seems like it would be hard, especially when you'd have to be "always on" around the competition.

I bet we don't hear about him on the show. He just won't be there in Vegas, and they'll never mention it.
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Yeah, it's a simple trick if he has a partner watching and relaying him info via a radio transmitter either as an earpiece, or if they checked his ear, one cleverly built into his blindfold.
Agreed. That's the only way he could do it. Most of these tricks have ridiculously obvious answers once you know what they are. Remember when they were making 747 Planes disappear in front of 50 people a few years ago? All they did was move the Camera over to where the plane wasn't. Yep. You guessed it. All 50 people were in on it.
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Radio Howard would have LHAO when he started speaking.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:34 PM   #218
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Maybe he's lying about suddenly becoming a stutterer. Maybe he's had the stutter his whole life. Maybe it's the result of a non-service related injury and he says it's service related to get more sympathy.

Faking stuttering seems like it would be hard, especially when you'd have to be "always on" around the competition.

I bet we don't hear about him on the show. He just won't be there in Vegas, and they'll never mention it.
If he's been a stutterer his whole life then everyone in his life would know he's lying about it happening during combat. So does that mean his wife and all his supporters are in on the lie too? I hope we find out the truth some day. Can't imagine what it might be. There's always the possibility that he got brain damage some other way. But why lie when it's so easy to get caught? The whole thing just seems really bizarre to me.
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Maybe he's lying about suddenly becoming a stutterer. Maybe he's had the stutter his whole life. Maybe it's the result of a non-service related injury and he says it's service related to get more sympathy.

Faking stuttering seems like it would be hard, especially when you'd have to be "always on" around the competition.

I bet we don't hear about him on the show. He just won't be there in Vegas, and they'll never mention it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:42 PM   #220
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I bet we don't hear about him on the show. He just won't be there in Vegas, and they'll never mention it.
Haven't they already taped the Vegas rounds? I'm sure they can re-edit them if so.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:46 PM   #221
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Agreed. That's the only way he could do it. Most of these tricks have ridiculously obvious answers once you know what they are. Remember when they were making 747 Planes disappear in front of 50 people a few years ago? All they did was move the Camera over to where the plane wasn't. Yep. You guessed it. All 50 people were in on it.
Yup. The "Mind Reader" trick reminded me of this clip, where James Randi exposed how a faith healer did essentially the exact same thing as this "mind reader":

Faith Healer Exposed


@ the 2:33 mark, James Randi uses a radio scanner to fully expose how this faith healer scammed his audience, with the radio transmitter and partner (his wife.)

Yup, same "trick".
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:57 PM   #222
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Agreed. That's the only way he could do it. Most of these tricks have ridiculously obvious answers once you know what they are. Remember when they were making 747 Planes disappear in front of 50 people a few years ago? All they did was move the Camera over to where the plane wasn't. Yep. You guessed it. All 50 people were in on it.
Of course there are ways of doing that without "cheating." Like when David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear. The audience wasn't in on that. It's just that when he moved the camera, he moved the audience along with it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:08 PM   #223
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Not sure how much of that AGTNews report I believe. The guy is 35. Their story says his ex wife caught him cheating on her in 1991. He would have been 13 or 14 in 1991. And she says "The whole time I have known him, I have never known him to be enrolled in any college. There is a possibility he may have an associates degree from before I met him. On his Facebook page he says he has a Masters degree in project management.” Why would she even think a 13 or 14 year old would have an associates degree?
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Not sure how much of that AGTNews report I believe. The guy is 35. Their story says his ex wife caught him cheating on her in 1991. He would have been 13 or 14 in 1991. And she says "The whole time I have known him, I have never known him to be enrolled in any college. There is a possibility he may have an associates degree from before I met him. On his Facebook page he says he has a Masters degree in project management.” Why would she even think a 13 or 14 year old would have an associates degree?
Maybe he lied about his age too, and he's really 42?

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Not sure how much of that AGTNews report I believe. The guy is 35. Their story says his ex wife caught him cheating on her in 1991. He would have been 13 or 14 in 1991. And she says "The whole time I have known him, I have never known him to be enrolled in any college. There is a possibility he may have an associates degree from before I met him. On his Facebook page he says he has a Masters degree in project management.” Why would she even think a 13 or 14 year old would have an associates degree?
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess 1991 is a typo. 2001 makes more sense.
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After rewatching the mind-reading trick, I think I've come up with something that doesn't require an assistant.

The coins actually hold the blindfold and tape off his eyes. This leaves a little bit of a gap towards the bottom of the nose. You can see what I'm talking about in this screen cap:



While he has Nick place the drawings face down, it sure is convenient that he gave them paper and a thick pen that bled through the paper. He also makes sure to have them draw something "big and bold," helping ensure the image is viewable from the reverse side of the paper.
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No way. It's gotta be a wireless transmitter.

The reason it's "big and bold" is probably because his partner assisting him in the trick had to view it from really bad seats and was farther away than normal.
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No way. It's gotta be a wireless transmitter.

The reason it's "big and bold" is probably because his partner assisting him in the trick had to view it from really bad seats and was farther away than normal.
There's a huge gap right there by his nose. It would be simple to see out of. The other thing is that he applies the last bit of tape himself, allowing for adjustment as needed so he can make sure he has at least a sliver to look through.
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Still leaves WAY too much for chance.
The pictures were folded and then unfolded above his head.
Plus, he had so much detail about each image. Giving the trick more fun by slowly revealing more details, etc.

He's doing this because it takes time for the partner to describe the image to him with detail.

Lastly, in any trick, it's about diverting attention AWAY from where people are looking. A trick like that relying on his actual eyes is where everyone will be looking. That's why he can slip in the ear piece undetected when he's doing the duct tape schtick.

A radio transmitter in the ear solves all of that and leaves nothing to chance besides maybe a battery/transmitter failure. But that's not happening if he's a pro.
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If he's a pro, he's practiced applying the tape and blindfold a thousand times before he even did it in public. And while he's describing one, he has plenty of time to look at the next one.
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And while the pictures were folded when Nick handed them to him, he quickly unfolded them:



Also, when he's applying the tape, you can see he's pushing the blindfold up his head, giving more of a gap at the bottom.
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Just assuming he can see out of the bottom, doesn't mean he can always see the art.
Again, you're then relying on someone not part of the trick to possibly ruin it if the keep the folded art behind their backs and/or reveal it in a way you can't see.

The Howie pic alone takes a few seconds to really grasp what it is. It could be a stick figure holding a kite unless you look really closely.

Wireless transmitter with a partner is the answer.
It's so obvious.
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The half dollars are an important part of the trick because when I have seen it done they were used then also.
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If he didn't have a earpiece receiver, I would expect him to say something like, "Nick, please feel free to check my ears to show I'm not using any listening device, etc." as part of the trick.

Then again, it's possible he said that an AGT edited it out, etc., but that seems unlikely as it would make the trick stronger.

Just sayin...
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Just assuming he can see out of the bottom, doesn't mean he can always see the art.
Again, you're then relying on someone not part of the trick to possibly ruin it if the keep the folded art behind their backs and/or reveal it in a way you can't see.
He tells Nick to set the pictures face down in his hand. After then, he's in control of them.


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The Howie pic alone takes a few seconds to really grasp what it is. It could be a stick figure holding a kite unless you look really closely.
He had at least a few seconds to look at it. Brains are great at pattern recognition. And his instructions beforehand make sure they draw something relatively simple.

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Wireless transmitter with a partner is the answer.
It's so obvious.
While magicians don't mind using stooges when necessary, I'm sure they prefer to find a way that doesn't require them. If it really was a wireless transmitter, he could have done a lot more to make sure he couldn't see or even interact with the drawings, which would provide even more credibility to the trick.
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I was convinced too that he used an earpiece.

But then I came across this page:

http://crisjohnsontricktalk.blogspot...d-tips-vs.html

For those that can't click links, it talks about an instructional DVD that tells you how to do the trick. From reading this, it is a solo trick, so he must be able to see out of the blindfold:

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The response is incredible and the working is surprisingly (at least to me at the time) simple. I actually bought this DVD two years ago and for many months was too scared to try it out. What if the audience left? What if someone screwed with me?

After trying it, I became addicted and have now done the act at least 100 times. It's angle-proof and everything can be borrowed. What's especially wonderful about this act is the fact that the journey to the revelations is highly entertaining - people can NOT believe you're actually putting duct tape on your face. Whereas many mentalism (and magic effects, for that matter) feel somewhat "procedural" during the set-up, here the journey to the pay-off is wonderfully engaging. In some ways, this is the perfect mentalism routine - angle-proof, no boring parts, visual, etc.

The visual aspect of the act is enhanced by Archer's decision to have people draw drawings as opposed to holding up small objects - keys, etc. It's more visible for the audience and, as Archer points out, it gives him more scope for comedy and ad-libbing.

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For what it's worth, I remember seeing Penn and Teller live about 20 years ago when part of their show was revealing some of the older illusions, and I recall that they mentioned that in tricks involving blindfolds, it's practically impossible for you to be rendered completely unable to see out the bottom.

Having now recalled that, I'm more inclined to think the trick is simply that he could see the drawings as he held the papers by his stomach, although I think the earpiece approach is also plausible.
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He tells Nick to set the pictures face down in his hand. After then, he's in control of them.
Very true, and I didn't really pick up on this.
Your screen grab is a good one.


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He had at least a few seconds to look at it. Brains are great at pattern recognition. And his instructions beforehand make sure they draw something relatively simple.

While magicians don't mind using stooges when necessary, I'm sure they prefer to find a way that doesn't require them. If it really was a wireless transmitter, he could have done a lot more to make sure he couldn't see or even interact with the drawings, which would provide even more credibility to the trick.
All very good points.
Very possible then I too I guess.

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I was convinced too that he used an earpiece.

But then I came across this page:

http://crisjohnsontricktalk.blogspot...d-tips-vs.html
Good link, thanks. I really was convinced too that he used an earpiece too, with my mind instantly going to that preacher clip I posted earlier.

You guys have swayed me a bit on this.
I was dead set on earpiece.
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Stern mentioned on his show something about the producers mentioning that he did the trick alone in a room with them so that would rule out a stooge in the audience helping him.
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