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Old 06-04-2012, 10:11 AM   #1
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This was an interesting episode. It looks like the key went to Richmond's office. It could have been any of his staff who had the key. Where I worked, my ID badge could be a key and had my photo on it. I guess this did not have a name or photo.

I don't think Richmond did it. I think he was where he said he was but one of his staff could of done it.

I loved the fact that the mafia guy is now dead.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:33 PM   #2
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Great episode...Knew it was Alexi and not Stan holding gun but didn't think he would pull the trigger. I love the twists and turns in this show, I know some don't but I think that's what makes it so interesting.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:35 PM   #3
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I think I called one of the staff as the killer, way back when.

Problem is, as far as I remember, we only know his 2 main staff members.

So if it's anybody else, somebody we barely know, that would kinda suck.

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Old 06-04-2012, 01:37 PM   #4
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I'd say it has to be Jamie. It is obviously not Richmond, since his alibi was verified by the person who saw him jump. It is unlikely to be Gwen, since she would not have gotten her dad to get the search warrant if it was her. And no one else on the staff is a major character (and it would be unsatisfying for them to make the killer a background character that we don't know). So that leaves Jamie.

But why would Jamie have killed Rosie with such brutality? And who did Rosie see that she was afraid of? Jamie doesn't seem very scary to look at. I guess he could have been jealous of Rosie with Richmond (since he has such a crush on him), but that does not explain the other factors I mentioned.

So, I'd say it cannot be Jamie. Must be another soap-opera twist coming.

Also, yet another stupid move by Linden, letting the bad guys know that she has the key card before determining what door it opens. There was easily enough time for them to reprogram the access computer for the card to go to Richmond's campaign office door after people in the mayor's office found out that Linden had the card.

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Old 06-04-2012, 01:51 PM   #5
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I'd say it has to be Jamie. It is obviously not Richmond, since his alibi was verified by the person who saw him jump. It is unlikely to be Gwen, since she would not have gotten her dad to get the search warrant if it was her. And no one else on the staff is a major character (and it would be unsatisfying for them to make the killer a background character that we don't know). So that leaves Jamie.

But why would Jamie have killed Rosie with such brutality? And who did Rosie see that she was afraid of? Jamie doesn't seem very scary to look at. I guess he could have been jealous of Rosie with Richmond (since he has such a crush on him), but that does not explain the other factors I mentioned.

So, I'd say it cannot be Jamie. Must be another soap-opera twist coming.
This.

It just doesn't work for me that it's Jaime, or Gwen. Just not justifiable, and Richmond doesn't work either. If it's an little known character, or one we haven't heard about, that won't work for me either.

I just wonder if the writers have written themselves into a corner......hope not!
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:18 PM   #6
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I'd say it has to be Jamie. It is obviously not Richmond, since his alibi was verified by the person who saw him jump. It is unlikely to be Gwen, since she would not have gotten her dad to get the search warrant if it was her. And no one else on the staff is a major character (and it would be unsatisfying for them to make the killer a background character that we don't know). So that leaves Jamie.

But why would Jamie have killed Rosie with such brutality? And who did Rosie see that she was afraid of? Jamie doesn't seem very scary to look at. I guess he could have been jealous of Rosie with Richmond (since he has such a crush on him), but that does not explain the other factors I mentioned.

So, I'd say it cannot be Jamie. Must be another soap-opera twist coming.

Also, yet another stupid move by Linden, letting the bad guys know that she has the key card before determining what door it opens. There was easily enough time for them to reprogram the access computer for the card to go to Richmond's campaign office door after people in the mayor's office found out that Linden had the card.

But they (possibly gwen and the people at the casino) didn't know that the card was there and thought that when they did their remodeling that they likely got rid of any evidence. I could see Gwen doing it if she thought she was in the clear.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:43 PM   #7
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I'd say it has to be Jamie. It is obviously not Richmond, since his alibi was verified by the person who saw him jump. It is unlikely to be Gwen, since she would not have gotten her dad to get the search warrant if it was her. And no one else on the staff is a major character (and it would be unsatisfying for them to make the killer a background character that we don't know). So that leaves Jamie.
I'd say it was Jamie as well. In fact, that is who I said it was after episode 1...

Except the fact that they've telegraphed it too much for it to be him now.

Basically after this episode, seeing the card came from Richmond's office, now everybody is thinking that it can only be Jamie or Gwen.

So now I'm thinking it's not.

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Old 06-04-2012, 04:04 PM   #8
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But they (possibly gwen and the people at the casino) didn't know that the card was there and thought that when they did their remodeling that they likely got rid of any evidence. I could see Gwen doing it if she thought she was in the clear.
Only if she were an idiot. If she knew she lost her card that night, and knew it had never been found, then she would have to be a moron to go to all the trouble to get that search warrant.

Besides, there was not enough time for her to kill Rosie. She was in bed with Richmond, he left, then she was there when he came back.

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Old 06-04-2012, 04:26 PM   #9
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I absolutely love this show but do not understand why she stole the evidence that would have closed the case. I guess she was afraid that the bad cops would make it disappear, but now the evidence is tainted and can not be used in court. Now it is just some security card that she could have put blood on to frame someone.

Then after she steals the evidence, she tips off the chief by by flashing the card to the security camera who then tips off the bad guys defeating any possible the purpose of stealing the evidence in the first place.

What was she thinking? Or is she just crazy?
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:31 PM   #10
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There still needs to be a connection to the mayor no matter who the killer is.

They got a lot explaining to do. Hopefully it makes sense.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:35 PM   #11
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I don't think Jamie is involved but have reservations about Gwen. Just to play devil's advocate... why couldn't it be possible that someone [say, via the mayor's office] obtained the card and used it to incriminate Richmond?
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:47 PM   #12
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Or couldn't the locks/codes on Richmond's and the Mayor's offices have been switched after the Mayor was tipped off?
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:11 PM   #13
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I try to pay close attention since the show throws out clues on the regular, but why does the key card have to belong to the actual killer? Isn't it possible that whoever it belongs to was there and is involved in whatever the larger cover up, but isn't responsible for actually killing Rosie? Like if Jaime was in the room and is part of whatever this larger cover up (which agree wouldn't really make sense), isn't it still possible that he just walked in on the homocide or something? I don't remember exactly what was established to have transpired in that room...

Wasn't Rosie murdered in the woods, anyway? I remember those quick "flashback" scenes of her running from the killer in the woods, but I don't remember if that was actually in the show or just in the promos. She could have walked in on the drama in the casino, been beaten, Jamie walks in to a bloody mess and orders whoever was doing it to take Rosie back to town in his campain car (dropping his key card inthe process), and then whoever that was went rogue and took it upon themselves to kill her, then saw no choice but to drive the car into the lake and hope it would go away.

But I don't remember the beginning of the series well enough--like how the cops even found the car mere hours after the death, etc, so I don't know if my theory is plausible.
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:57 PM   #14
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Rosie was murdered in the lake -- she was drowned. But there was some evidence that she was chased through the woods before being locked in a trunk, alive, and drowned in the lake. I think the sequence was supposed to be that she was taken away from the casino in a car, then ran away at the gas station stop, then was pursued through the woods and caught again.

Anything is possible, but the simplest explanation is that the keycard belonged to Rosie's killer. Certainly the reaction of the woman at the casino indicated that the keycard was evidence to a major crime. Whether that crime was murder or not remains to be seen, but it would be an unbelievable coincidence if the owner of the card is not somehow involved in Rosie's murder, given that the card was found where Rosie was last known to be before her abduction, the card had blood on it, and it caused such a strong reaction when the casino woman found out about it being in Linden's hands.
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Oh yeah that's what I forgot--that she was alive when she went in the water... I have no doubt that the owner of the key card was involved with Rosie's death somehow, I'm just saying it doesn't mean that the card belongs to the individual who physically committed the murder. The key card establishes that someone from City Hall was in the room at a point in the timeline when blood had been shed (presumably Rosie's since we know her blood was on her back pack which was found in the room), but it doesn't establish that they're the killer.

Plus it wouldn't be a stretch for the card to be planted to frame someone from city hall either. My money is on the guy that works for the mayor that Jamie fought in the locker room... My guess is he planted Jamie's card there knowing it would lead to him eventually. That would actually make more sense than the actual owner of it leaving it at a murder scene and not realizing it.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:57 PM   #16
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Another red herring. First no proof the blood is even Rosie's. Second, doesn't directly link anyone to the killing, just to being in that room. Very easily could have had the key switched. I don't understand why the Richmond campaign is running out of city hall, just a few doors down from the Mayor's office. I not sure that is even legal.

That was quickest house sale in history in this economy. He couldn't have listed it more than 10-12 days ago.

Also seemed like a stupid favor for Gwen to call-in the day before an election. There was no chance the warrant would lead to anything tangible in one day.

Also seemed like a dumb plan to drop out to save your political career. Wouldnt dropping out raise suspicion and most likely the information would get out anyway? Not to mention dropping out at the last minute would just label you a quitter.

It all seemed quite far fetched. Didn't like this episode at all. Maybe my least favorite episode of the series.
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Plus it wouldn't be a stretch for the card to be planted to frame someone from city hall either.
Remember, the car was a Richmond campaign car, also. So, if it was a frame job, then someone got a Richmond campaign car and a Richmond key card to do it.
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This.

It just doesn't work for me that it's Jaime, or Gwen. Just not justifiable, and Richmond doesn't work either. If it's an little known character, or one we haven't heard about, that won't work for me either.

I just wonder if the writers have written themselves into a corner......hope not!
I am betting that the card key was stolen from the Richmond team by the Adams team to be sure there is no trail back to them.
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I absolutely love this show but do not understand why she stole the evidence that would have closed the case. I guess she was afraid that the bad cops would make it disappear, but now the evidence is tainted and can not be used in court. Now it is just some security card that she could have put blood on to frame someone.

Then after she steals the evidence, she tips off the chief by by flashing the card to the security camera who then tips off the bad guys defeating any possible the purpose of stealing the evidence in the first place.

What was she thinking? Or is she just crazy?
She explained why to Holder. She wanted to rub it in the chief's face and I loved that she did that.

She wants to use the key to positively identify the killer, they have enough evidence that they probably don't need the card key.
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Me and the g/f talked about this a lot last night.

We don't think it's Gwen because she was at the B&B with Richmond. Although, the police put enough time together for Richmond to have left, killed Rosie, then showed back up the next morning. So maybe Gwen did attend the meeting, but wasn't involved in the actual murder.

It seems more likely to me that if the Indians were involved that the female security chief would have been the one to take care of Rosie.

But, if the killer is someone from the campaign then I think it's Jamie. The detectives believed that the killer was from the Mayor's office and the detectives couldn't figure out why he would shut down his own waterfront project. But now it looks like it was someone from the Richmond campaign working with the Indians and Ames to shut down the project to hurt the Mayor's reelection. The detectives did say earlier that the Indians and Ames would only sabotage the project unless they thought something bigger was coming along later. That something would be Richmond.

So probably Jamie was involved in back room deals (behind even Richmond's back), to sabotage the Mayor's waterfront project making promises to Ames and the Indians that he/Richmond would take care of them after the election.
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I've never really liked Jamie....so I do hope it's him
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I've never really liked Jamie....so I do hope it's him
He has a weaselly face.

So is he obviously the killer...or is it TOO obvious?
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I hope the Indian chief gets nailed for something. She is just in it for herself not her people.
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He has a weaselly face.

So is he obviously the killer...or is it TOO obvious?
I think the thing is that he has no real place on the show. He's just the guy's campaign manager.

Doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything else.

Therefore he's the killer

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Which is why they hired a weaselly-faced guy to play him.
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I gave up a while ago. They still haven't figured out who killed Whatsherface yet?
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It's the black guy who works for the mayor. He stole the key card from Jaime since they go to the same gym.
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The chief called the keycard's owner on the phone. Plenty of time to reprogram the keycard as long as you don't think too much about it. It would be pretty weird for that phone call to not have meant anything at all.
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The chief called the keycard's owner on the phone. Plenty of time to reprogram the keycard as long as you don't think too much about it. It would be pretty weird for that phone call to not have meant anything at all.
That's what I'm speculating -- the keycard was re-programmed...

But, I'm probably wrong. I usually am...
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I have thought since season one that the killer is Gwen's father. Anyone making book on who it will be?
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