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Old 05-15-2012, 02:57 PM   #31
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He takes care of her. pays for her apartment. Even today I could imagine it hard to say no someone your livelihood depends on.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:59 PM   #32
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I was wondering if this would come up, since I remember being a bit surprised that Don took the kids to meet Anna, and everyone called him "Dick Whitman" while he was there.
He grossly underestimated how much kids pick up. He's not the first!
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:03 PM   #33
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This show would be Mad Men:CSI if Sally had called any of the grown women I grew up with in the 60s a liar.
I don't understand what this means.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:06 PM   #34
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I couldn't help but notice that Bobby drew a whale being harpooned and his b-day present to Don was a shaving cream brush made from a real beaver tail. Things that are unthinkable nowadays. Or should be.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:07 PM   #35
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I don't understand what this means.
I think it was touching on how kids weren't able to be that disrespectful back in those times.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:08 PM   #36
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I think it was touching on how kids weren't able to be that disrespectful back in those times.
So they would be murdered? I hope he didn't mean the children would be physically harmed.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:19 PM   #37
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I couldn't help but notice that Bobby drew a whale being harpooned and his b-day present to Don was a shaving cream brush made from a real beaver tail. Things that are unthinkable nowadays. Or should be.
I thought at first that the Whale represented Mom/Fat Betty in some way.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:22 PM   #38
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Not sure this needs it's own thread, but the current Inside the Actors Studio has several of the cast of Mad Men as well as Matthew Weiner It's not the best episode of the show, but not the worst.

The actress who plays Sally comes off as very bright and very talented. I have a better appreciation for her performance now that I've seen her not being creepy.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:07 PM   #39
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So they would be murdered? I hope he didn't mean the children would be physically harmed.
Yes, they were murdered.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:01 PM   #40
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I've never understood the betty hate until this episode. Wow.

And sally came into her own as a manipulative bitch. I've never enjoyed her more!
Loved Sally! When she was hating on Megan, then said to her, "What are you going to do, go make yourself cry?" Awesome!
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:40 PM   #41
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I did not care for the nasty Sally. For me this was the first time she really crossed from just misbehavior to outright cruelty.

I thought that the snowball in the face campaign was much better than the devil. Interestingly although Don is supposed to be a god of advertising, I don't think we've ever seen him come up with a really good campaign. Not that I can recall anyway. Or at least, not enough for me to buy into his genius status. He does a lot of drinking and yelling at the creative team, then using their ideas to build himself up.

So, typical management.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:53 PM   #42
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So they would be murdered? I hope he didn't mean the children would be physically harmed.
Of course he did. Not murdered, but definitely physically harmed.

It was a different time. I got the crap beat out of me for less. With belts and hangers and hands. And my mouth literally washed out with soap.

Sally gets away with WAY more than most kids at that time would have, IMO.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:16 PM   #43
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Of course he did. Not murdered, but definitely physically harmed.

It was a different time. I got the crap beat out of me for less. With belts and hangers and hands. And my mouth literally washed out with soap.

Sally gets away with WAY more than most kids at that time would have, IMO.
Exactly. Those of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s know exactly what nyny23 is talking about...and we turned out pretty good.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:41 PM   #44
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Exactly. Those of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s know exactly what nyny23 is talking about...and we turned out pretty good.
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I did not care for the nasty Sally. For me this was the first time she really crossed from just misbehavior to outright cruelty.

I thought that the snowball in the face campaign was much better than the devil. Interestingly although Don is supposed to be a god of advertising, I don't think we've ever seen him come up with a really good campaign. Not that I can recall anyway. Or at least, not enough for me to buy into his genius status. He does a lot of drinking and yelling at the creative team, then using their ideas to build himself up.

So, typical management.
Don used to deserve his reputation... the Kodak carousel being the reference example. But the idea is that over the last couple of seasons, he's gotten lazy, the world has started to pass him by, and he's losing his mojo. I think the idea in this ep is that Ginsberg's campaign is supposed to be better. Don's isn't bad, but pretty much everyone acknowledged it was a runner-up to Ginsberg's -- and that's with Don having tried to do better. He's struggling.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:28 AM   #46
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I was surprised to learn Weight Watchers has been around that long. I somehow thought they started in the 80s.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:17 AM   #47
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I was wondering if this would come up, since I remember being a bit surprised that Don took the kids to meet Anna, and everyone called him "Dick Whitman" while he was there.
I think in front of the kids they only called him Dick, without the last name.

IIRC, Don said Dick was just a nickname.

And let's all not forget Don's award for the Glo-Coat floor wax campaign - the little buckaroo behind "bars" waiting for the kitchen floor to dry. It would seem, though, that Don's best work days are behind him.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:00 AM   #48
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Of course he did. Not murdered, but definitely physically harmed.

It was a different time. I got the crap beat out of me for less. With belts and hangers and hands. And my mouth literally washed out with soap.

Sally gets away with WAY more than most kids at that time would have, IMO.
QFT. At home AND at school.
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I think in front of the kids they only called him Dick, without the last name.

IIRC, Don said Dick was just a nickname.

And let's all not forget Don's award for the Glo-Coat floor wax campaign - the little buckaroo behind "bars" waiting for the kitchen floor to dry. It would seem, though, that Don's best work days are behind him.
Wasn't that Peggy's idea?
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Wasn't that Peggy's idea?
Yes, once again it was someone else's idea that he just refined. But he did not come up with the concept.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:05 AM   #51
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I was surprised to learn Weight Watchers has been around that long. I somehow thought they started in the 80s.
I remember Mom measuring stuff out, just like Betty did. That was in the 60's.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:56 AM   #52
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Betty and Weight Watchers doesn't ring quite true for me. Why wouldn't she just get diet pills and go the shortcut route? Betty doesn't seem the type to go in for the "hard work" approach on anything. Although, Weight Watchers makes for better TV scripts and drama opportunities.
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Betty and Weight Watchers doesn't ring quite true for me. Why wouldn't she just get diet pills and go the shortcut route? Betty doesn't seem the type to go in for the "hard work" approach on anything. Although, Weight Watchers makes for better TV scripts and drama opportunities.
Hard work? She lost a whole half-pound the first week, and zippo the second. She would have better success horse-riding.
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Betty and Weight Watchers doesn't ring quite true for me. Why wouldn't she just get diet pills and go the shortcut route? Betty doesn't seem the type to go in for the "hard work" approach on anything. Although, Weight Watchers makes for better TV scripts and drama opportunities.
Remember, she tried to get diet pills.
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Remember, she tried to get diet pills.
And found out she might have cancer but now apparently does not. Why wouldn't the Dr. now prescribe the pills that were so often provided to stout housewives of the time?
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And found out she might have cancer but now apparently does not. Why wouldn't the Dr. now prescribe the pills that were so often provided to stout housewives of the time?
Because she has an unspecified health problem. He found a problem, did tests that ruled out cancer, but the problem still exists.
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Because she has an unspecified health problem. He found a problem, did tests that ruled out cancer, but the problem still exists.
I believe the problem is blasting whipped cream directly into her mouth.
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Hard work? She lost a whole half-pound the first week, and zippo the second. She would have better success horse-riding.
Cracks me up that they were taking these measurements and being proud of a half pound loss over a week. But they were weighing themselves in full clothing, so there's no way to know whether the outfit they were wearing was half a pound lighter than the one from the week before.
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Cracks me up that they were taking these measurements and being proud of a half pound loss over a week. But they were weighing themselves in full clothing, so there's no way to know whether the outfit they were wearing was half a pound lighter than the one from the week before.
WW gets paid by the week, not the pound.
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