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Old 05-15-2012, 02:27 PM   #31
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If we had some reason to believe that Victoria was "the one" and that by ditching her fiance at the altar and running off with Ted, she and Ted were going to live happily ever after, I think I wouldn't have a problem with it. But we know that Victoria is not "the one," because the way she and Ted met doesn't sync up with the clues we've been given, so basically if Ted and Victoria get together (again), it will just be another of Ted's dead-end relationships.
Exactly. And I will bet dollars to donuts that he won't feel guilty about destroying what could have been a perfectly happy marriage when he and Victoria eventually break up.

Ted has become the same as the evil bastard who stole Stella away at their wedding.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:39 PM   #32
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My point is that she DID start to say "Ok, I'm good now" after Ted originally said he wouldn't run away with her. She said she was starting to "Sober up" after that. That tells me she panicked right around the time Ted called her and bolted. Once that panic subsided, she came to her senses. But when Ted decided to be selfish and drive on past the church, he became an enabler to her panic. You notice he never asked her "Do you love this guy", or anything similar.

Ted had no idea where Victoria "needed to go", he was being a selfish prick. And I reject your your idea about doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. I live by the Golden Rule. Don't do something to another person that you wouldn't want to happen to you. Ted's move was an evil one.
You're getting a little off track here. Ted wasn't being a selfish prick. He called Victoria, said, "Meet me at 2," she said, "How about 1:30, I may have somewhere to be." Ted had no idea she was getting married so he wasn't saying, "Hey, you're getting married at 2, so meet me at 1:30 so I can convince you to not get married." He was merely calling an ex-girlfriend to see where things stood.

My point about the wedding is this: my guess is that most brides and grooms experience a moment of panic leading up to their wedding day. That's normal. When that panic extends to leaving the church in your wedding dress to see an ex-boyfriend and ask that he runs off into the sunset with her, there's not going to be a sobering up. If Ted had never said that he couldn't do it, Victoria and he would've gone back to her place or on the honeymoon or any number of places, and everything would be as it is.

And forgive me for saying so, but spare me the Golden Rule stuff. I try not to do things that I'd want done to me too. But if my choice is leaving someone I think could be the love of my life to marry someone she's probably not going to be happy with and driving past the church and going off to only god knows where, I'm choosing the latter and not feeling the least bit bad about it. And I won't hear of anyone calling me evil for doing so.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:44 PM   #33
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You're getting a little off track here. Ted wasn't being a selfish prick. He called Victoria, said, "Meet me at 2," she said, "How about 1:30, I may have somewhere to be." Ted had no idea she was getting married so he wasn't saying, "Hey, you're getting married at 2, so meet me at 1:30 so I can convince you to not get married." He was merely calling an ex-girlfriend to see where things stood.
Ted wasn't a doosh for calling her. He was a selfish doosh when he realized she was supposed to get married that afternoon, was having second thoughts, and he basically became an accessory.

If things are going to work out with Victoria, it shouldn't be because Ted basically "stole" her away from her wedding.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:45 PM   #34
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Exactly. And I will bet dollars to donuts that he won't feel guilty about destroying what could have been a perfectly happy marriage when he and Victoria eventually break up.

Ted has become the same as the evil bastard who stole Stella away at their wedding.
You do recall that Ted went back to confront Stella and her ex/new husband and found that they were happy together and that he was ok with their decision because the two of them belonged together, right?
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:50 PM   #35
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You do recall that Ted went back to confront Stella and her ex/new husband and found that they were happy together and that he was ok with their decision because the two of them belonged together, right?
That doesn't make what Stella did was right. She and her ex husband screwed him over, then poured salt in the wound by making a movie about it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:53 PM   #36
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Put me int he camp that likes Barney with Quinn a whole lot more than Robin with Barney...

I am fairly certain they didn't really have a clue who the mother was or where they were going with this until maybe this season. This show is missing for me a lot more than it is hitting these days.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:59 PM   #37
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That doesn't make what Stella did was right. She and her ex husband screwed him over, then poured salt in the wound by making a movie about it.
And I didn't say it was right, I said it was necessary for their personal happiness. And that takes me back to what I was originally saying: sometimes doing what's best for you is not necessarily the right thing. If your position is that you shouldn't do it because it wasn't the right thing, fine, that works for you, but not for me. If that makes me a bad person or someone on the Internet considers me evil, I'm ok with it.

And to respond to DevdogAZ's point, Victoria wasn't looking for an accomplice to give her an excuse not to get married. She was looking for Ted to carry her off into the sunset. That's not a matter of, "Thank God, I've got an excuse not to get married now." That's a matter of, "Thank God!" along the same lines of what we heard from Victoria when Ted found her in season 1.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:21 PM   #38
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Put me int he camp that likes Barney with Quinn a whole lot more than Robin with Barney...

I am fairly certain they didn't really have a clue who the mother was or where they were going with this until maybe this season. This show is missing for me a lot more than it is hitting these days.
Disagree. What I think they did NOT anticipate happening was being on the air this long and having to drag it out. They had an end game in mind and have now put it in place. It was the starting time that moved.

I get this feeling by reading some of their plans not by something particular that anyone said.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:46 PM   #39
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Put me int he camp that likes Barney with Quinn a whole lot more than Robin with Barney...

I am fairly certain they didn't really have a clue who the mother was or where they were going with this until maybe this season. This show is missing for me a lot more than it is hitting these days.
I think they have known what character would eventually be the mother for a long time. I agree its Barny's sister. I think they have only recently thought about casting the role.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:58 PM   #40
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Ugh. I hate Victoria. I'm not looking forward to watching the second half. The first half was kinda nice, actually.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:21 PM   #41
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Ugh. I hate Victoria. I'm not looking forward to watching the second half. The first half was kinda nice, actually.
I hate Victoria too. I was really hoping he would just drop her off at the wedding and they could finally end things.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:25 PM   #42
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As much as I like Quinn, I'm glad that Barney is marrying Robin...
I totally missed something.. How did we know it was Barney's wedding? I guess how he was dressed? (I know in previous news articles, we were told it was Barney's wedding.)

I think my mind blanked out when we found out Robin was the bride.

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Ted is a despicable.

He was left at the alter and it nearly destroyed him, now he's doing the same to someone else. He should have made her tell her fiancee that it was over first, it also would have made her decide really if she is just panicking or really loves Ted more than her fiancee.
I dunno, I thought it was annoying that he "wussed out".. and liked that he carpe diem-ed.

Now, in real life, I think it would be scummy.. but she probably shouldn't marry her fiance, since she was being wishy washy about it at all.. But in TV-land, happily ever after.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:35 PM   #43
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I've hated Ted for a long time. He's pretentious, doushy, and whiny.
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I totally missed something.. How did we know it was Barney's wedding? I guess how he was dressed?
IIRC, the first part of the scene (where Ted is told that the bride wants to see him) was shown in the first episode of the season and it was made clear that it was Barney's wedding.
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I think they revealed everybody's role in stages throughout the season. The first episode made it unclear if Ted or Barney was the groom.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:56 PM   #46
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The first episode made it unclear if Ted or Barney was the groom.
I don't remember it that way. I searched around for a recap and found this one. The author also seems very certain that it was Barney's wedding---the question was who was Barney getting married to...
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Ugh. I hate Victoria. I'm not looking forward to watching the second half. The first half was kinda nice, actually.
Second half of what? Did you not watch the whole episode?
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I don't remember it that way. I searched around for a recap and found this one. The author also seems very certain that it was Barney's wedding---the question was who was Barney getting married to...
It is Barney's wedding.
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Ugh. I hate Victoria.
How come?
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OK, we know Ted meets The Mother at Barney's wedding. So the question is, will we see the wedding early next season so we can witness the courtship, etc. or will Barney's wedding be the finale and Ted will meet The Mother on the very last episode and BAM the show ends without us ever really getting to know her.

My guess is we will be introduced to the character (and I think it will be Barney's sister, Carly Whittaker) but Ted won't run into her until the wedding. Kind of like how they had storylines and appearances for both Robin and Ted for much of this season even though the characters were avoiding each other.
You know that's a very good guess, considering that the kids refer to him as Uncle Barney and Aunt Robin (I think they call them Uncle Marshall and Aunt Lilly, so maybe not)

I always thought they'd introduce the mom and let us get to know her, but I think I read here or somewhere that it's the last episode? Maybe that was just speculation here.

As for this episode. I really don't like how they keep rehashing the same things. Ted and Robin, Barney and Robin, we've been through that dance before, and now Ted and Victoria, another rehash. I'd rather they just move forward with new people. I'm not a fan of Barney and Robin together, but I think that's where they are heading (obviously). But I'm guessing early next year we'll find out how Barney and Quinn break up, but I hope it's not ANOTHER whole season leading back to the wedding at the end.
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I have no problem with Barney and Robin together. I liked them together the first time and thought they abandoned it too quickly.

While I liked Victoria the first time she was on, the situation for her to be on now just sucks. Ted is a complete doosh for trying to keep her from her wedding.

As for the Barney/Robin wedding, didn't it say that it took place in May 2012? And haven't they always kept the episodes pretty close to the current time? So are we to believe that next season they're going to be telling stories that happen before May 2012? That seems very out of character for the show.
I look at it this way, if she was so gung ho to marry this guy, she never would have shown up with Ted in the first place, in her wedding dress no less. I think she was looking for an out and Ted gave her one.
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I look at it this way, if she was so gung ho to marry this guy, she never would have shown up with Ted in the first place, in her wedding dress no less. I think she was looking for an out and Ted gave her one.
Thank you, we FINALLY agree on something.
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Yes, Victoria is definitely the bigger doosh!
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Thank you, we FINALLY agree on something.


It's funny that the people I have the biggest disagreements with on the forum, are probably the people I would like the best if I met them at a meet or something. I think there's a certain amount of respect between debaters. I find it fun and fascinating to argue points of view with people who don't agree with me. You're a good dude

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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Second half of what? Did you not watch the whole episode?
No. It was split into two half-hour segments for us.

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I don't know. I just don't.


I don't think that this is Barney and Robin's wedding. I have a suspicion that somehow, these are two different weddings.
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I don't think that this is Barney and Robin's wedding. I have a suspicion that somehow, these are two different weddings.
Even though in the season premiere it was Barney's wedding and Lily told Ted that the bride wanted to see him...

...and now in the season finale, Lily tells Ted that the bride wants to see him and the bridge is Robin?
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Even though in the season premiere it was Barney's wedding and Lily told Ted that the bride wanted to see him...

...and now in the season finale, Lily tells Ted that the bride wants to see him and the bridge is Robin?
Yeah. It just seems gimmicky somehow.
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Yeah. It just seems gimmicky somehow.
I think this is a bit of a flaw in the show. They've thrown us for so many loops throughout the course of the show that even when something appears to be Robin & Barney's wedding, people think its something else.

Then again, sometimes if it looks like a duck it's just a duck.
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Then again, sometimes if it looks like a duck it's just a duck.
But rabbits are cooler.
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In the first episode, with the door in the bar---I thought the bar had a back door that went out to the alley...
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