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Old 05-10-2012, 04:48 PM   #1
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The 20.2.1 changelog thread

Intro
This is meant to be a changelog/buglist from 20.2 to 20.2.1.X (and prior carry-over issues) for the TiVo Premiere (Series 4). Also called the "Spring 2012 Update." I will try to keep this #1 posting updated with all the issues as they are listed. The previous changelog threads are as follows:

14.9 is here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=480226
20.2 is here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=481338

Summary
This release contains a few new features and fixes several bugs. The primary changes from 20.2 to 20.2.1 were to add new versions of the Netflix and Youtube applications plus the addition of parental controls in the HDUI. The rollout started on 05/10/2012. Margret from TiVo provided a "release notes" posting, which can be found at the following thread: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=487165 A tiny update from 20.2.1.1 to 20.2.1.2 rolled out starting 06/20/2012, mostly to address VOD for Comcast.

This changelog will incorporate the data from the release notes, user reports, and previous changelogs (for issues not resolved).


1 Non-UI or Both UI
1.1 Both/Non-UI Postive
1.1.1 Netflix App Related:
1.1.1.1 Support for 1080p video streaming playback, where available.

1.1.1.2 The ability to add to your instant queue was added.

1.1.1.3 Subtitles can now be displayed in Netflix streaming playback.

1.1.1.4 Audio options now include playback of Dolby Digital Plus 5.1.

1.1.1.5 You can now "search" for content to watch while inside the Netflix app.

1.1.1.6 Personalized categories and recommendations were added.

1.1.1.7 A recently watched list is available.

1.1.1.8 An entry named "Netflix ESN" now appears in the System Information menu, just under "TiVo Service Number"
1.1.2 YouTube App Related:
1.1.2.1 A Directory of YouTube channels has been added.

1.1.2.2 Links to related videos are available.

1.1.2.3 Will automatically play next video.

1.1.2.4 Video playback resolution and framerates have been drastically increased
1.1.3 Fixed ability for Cox plus customers to tune/receive "Plus Pak" channels. [CONFIRMED]

1.1.4 Amazon video pixelation in downloads playback is fixed.

1.1.4 Previously, HME (Home Media Engine SDK) programs might have incorrect text display or crash. This has been reported as fixed.

1.1.5 There were some metadata issues in the previous version with programs transferred via network to the TiVo. Further, there are some reports of extended metadata missing from programs pulled back from the Premiere, even in a .TiVo format file. In 20.2.1 this is partly fixed- the .TiVo data is being received and used, although the TiVoVideoDetails stuff still isn't. For pyTivo's purposes, this means browsing shares is still a bit off, but transferred programs seem to have their complete data.


1.2 Both/Non-UI Negative
1.2.1 Netflix App Related:
1.2.1.1 There can be an unusual delay and "blackout" when loading the Netflix app. This is partially due to HDMI connection renegotiation. It can be minimized by going into "Settings" and then "Video". Under "Video Output Formats", set the formats only to 1080i and 1080P/24 (pass-through).

1.2.1.2 Sub-menu text disappears while scrolling sometimes coming back and then going away again. Sometimes the episode title list won't fully populate. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...82#post9088382

1.2.1.3 The key/button mappings in the new Netflix app are very inconsistent with the TiVo user interface. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=487218
1.2.2 YouTube App Related:
1.2.2.1 The YouTube app loads slowly, taking 22 to 26 seconds to launch.

1.2.2.2 The key/button mappings in the new YouTube app are very inconsistent with the TiVo user interface.
2 SDUI
2.1 SDUI Positive
2.1 The reporting of the program size disk space has been fixed. Prior, it was changed it to read "GB" but the reported numbers were 100 times smaller than the actual space it is using. However, in the HDUI, it is correct. First discovered in 14.9.

2.2 SDUI Negative
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3 HDUI
3.1 HDUI Positive
3.1.1 Guide Related:
3.1.1.1 If you bring up the Guide over a recording, it now highlights the channel on the foreground tuner, rather than the lowest channel in the Guide.

3.1.1.2 The "First Air Date" should now be correct in all locations. (It had been off by one day in some situations.)

3.1.1.3 When pressing RECORD in the Guide and selecting "Season Pass & Other Options" you are now taken to an episode-specific screen instead of a series-specific screen. (Makes it easier to change recording options for that specific episode.)

3.1.1.4 When pressing "clear" on the guide, it no longer displays the info banner on the screen from Live TV (although not while playing back a recording). http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...89#post9088289
3.1.2 Parental Controls Related:
3.1.2.1 New parental controls are now available for customers using the HD Menus. From TiVo Central -> Settings & Messages.
3.1.2.2 You can set up a four-digit code, and specify which TV and movie ratings will require that code in order to watch or record the show.
3.1.3 Video Output settings are now respected in video when running the HD Menus. You can now check on all video formats if you prefer "native" resolution pass-through. The TiVo will no longer automatically up-convert to 720p when you are watching full-screen video and using HD Menus.

3.1.4 SELECT-PLAY-SELECT-9-SELECT now displays an on-screen clock (without seconds) in the upper right corner during video playback. (Make sure you press SELECT once first, to bring up the Mini-Guide, before you enter the code.)

3.1.5 Fast Forward return: 20.2 changed the fourth press of Fast Forward to be ignored. The user can now select to re-enable the use of the fourth press of fast forward to cycle back to PLAY by entering the following programming sequence: SELECT-PLAY-SELECT-8-8-SELECT. (Make sure you press SELECT once first, to bring up the Mini-Guide, before you enter the code.)

3.1.6 Deleting programs from another Premiere while using multi-room streaming at the end of viewing a program has been fixed.

3.1.7 Fixed: When deleting a recording that is the lowest menu entry in a folder,the cursor will be placed at the highest menu entry, when it should have moved up by only one entry. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...58#post8953358

3.1.8 Fixed: There were times when "Stop and Delete" in the HDUI will stop the program recording but will not delete the program. This appears to be fixed now. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...99#post8892799

3.1.9 Fixed: There are times when it was seemingly impossible to delete a program. Such programs will not delete on the TiVo Suggestions screen (the "x" will sit there forever or it just makes the "x" disappear without deleting), nor if selected then deleted. When played back, there is an error displayed about the channel and forces an exit. Sometimes it can be deleted at that point. If played a SECOND time, it will play normally, the user can exit and then delete it. This often happens when trying to stop two recordings and it frequently causes the first to become undeletable/unplayable.

3.1.10 Fixed: Some people report that their play/pause location is lost when switching back and forth between watching two recording programs. It is unclear if this was only HDUI.http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...88#post8895588

3.1.11 Fixed: There were occasions when trying to delete a program, the [b]popup delete menu menu[b] would have no option highlighted and any key press resulted in a very low-tone "bong". Usually after a minute, the entire HDUI would restart, complete with the TiVo intro animation. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...55#post9025455 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...19#post9026619

3.1.12 Fixed: The "This group is empty" bug that previous changelogs reported as "fixed" in the SDUI, were actually occurring in the HDUI with 20.2. This bug caused the display of the above message if one deleted programs in the suggestion list too rapidly, then it would kick the user back one level in the menu. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=470339

3.1.13 Fixed: In the HDUI Guide and On-Screen banners, programs marked as "new" showed their first aired date as 1 day before the actual date the program is airing. Also, the "new" labels would sometimes disappear when switching to/from grid style to/from live style. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8897804

3.1.14 Fixed: When performing a one-time record of a show from the Guide and try to add time to it, if the show was not the next airing, you had to scroll through "upcoming" to find the episode you want to record. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8909900

3.1.15 Fixed: When selecting and recording a season pass from the guide, the Premiere would select the channel of the first airing of that program, rather than the channel on the selected program. Do not know when this started or if this has been that way forever.

3.2 HDUI Negative
3.2.1 At the very start of a recorded program, it is no longer possible to use the replay button or rewind in any way until 5 seconds of the program has elapsed. Introduced in 20.2.1.

4 Unresolved/Carry-Over
4.1 There are times in the HDUI when deleting a program from suggestions, using the clear button, then moving the cursor down a few menu entries, will result in two or more screen redrawings after a delete. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8901062

4.2 The HDUI is still not requesting icons for HME apps (except TiVo's own). Since 20.2.

4.3 On only the Elite/XL4, all cable channels can be lost with the only fix being to remove and re-insert the cable card. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8908623 CLARIFICATION NEEDED- when did this start?

4.4 The HDUI is still not fluid, mostly due to the delayed, live, internet-based loading of certain information, such as the discovery bar, and program graphics. Some screens take up to 6 seconds to finish drawing/updating everything. Also, initial drawing of "My Shows" takes considerably longer on versions after the 14.9 update. User expectations and reporting of performance are widely varied. Since first Premiere release.

4.5 In the HDUI guide: When the guide is visible, pressing the "guide" or "clear" button to dismiss the guide while playing back a recording results in the display of the medium-sized info banner, instead. This is unexpected behavior. (Note, it was fixed for live TV viewing, however). Since 20.2.

4.6 The HDUI guide has no way to turn off or stop the live preview in guide. This is consistent with the old (14.9 and prior) guide behavior, but it does not match the rest of the HDUI, which honors a user preference or allows the user to press "|>" to temporarily stop it. Since 14.9.

4.7 It is still no longer possible to turn on any type of filter based on content type while in the HDUI guide. Since 20.2.

4.8 It is still no longer possible to thumbs up or down on items in the HDUI discovery bar. Since 20.2

4.9 TiVoVideoDetails metadata is still not being transfered with programs via network to the TiVo. Since 20.2.

4.10 Recordings on the Premiere, transferred to a computer, then transferred back and played on the Premiere still no longer display closed captions. The captions do exist in the .TiVo files and can be seen on a computer. Since 20.2. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...77#post8958577



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5 Awaiting Reports
This section holds all the carryover items from the previous version and most of the negatives from the previous version that are awaiting confirmation that the problems have been resolved or that they still exist. Please note that the section will not be renumbered as things are removed. Our goal should be to remove all items from this section and delete the section.

-Both UI-

5.1 The Select-Play-Select-9-Play code for displaying the on-screen clock and play-time-remaining during replays is gone and there is no replacement. Play-time-remaining is available by pressing Play or Pause but the clock is available only by returning to the main menu. It also display seconds, which some people find distracting and unnecessary, and it displays the clock in the center of the screen on HDUI (but lower right corner in SDUI). One person reported having the clock display on HDUI will cause performance and screen drawing issues.

5.4 With repeating manual recordings setup, it is possible that multiple duplicate entries will appear in the recording history as "will not record" with reason of not being in program guide. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=481547

5.7 There are reports that the network transfer speed is not as fast as it was in 14.9, although it is still faster than it was before 14.9. (It is perhaps 12% slower) http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...74#post8909374

-SDUI-

5.9 Occasionally, when trying to delete a program from Now Playing using the clear key, it will refuse to delete and offer a "bong" sound, instead. If one goes into the program details, it can be deleted. Or if one leaves Now Playing and returns, it can be deleted.

5.10 From "my shows", select a program to view description, then back out of it, then play another show using the play button. When using the left arrow to back out of the playback, the cursor/select is not returned to the program that was just played. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...17#post8911517

-HDUI-

5.11 HDUI Guide related:
5.11.2 When scheduling a recording from the HD Program Guide, the guide switches to "SD" mode to display "Please Wait" and then back to HD for the confirmation dialog.

5.11.4 When performing certain actions on programs from the guide, like scheduling or canceling a recording or changing recording options, the live preview window might jump to full screen for a few seconds, then go back to the preview window size again.

5.11.5 After selecting a show to record from the guide, the guide is reloaded and the cursor is placed back at the beginning of the list instead of being restored where it was.http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8895588

5.11.6 It is no longer possible to select an entry that is scheduled for recording and press clear to cancel the recording as was possible in the previous version of the guide, if other showings will be recorded. In such cases, it is only possible to cancel through the todo list. CLARIFICATION NEEDED

5.11.9 After selecting a program to record from the grid guide or mini guide, while watching a recording, when it redraws the guide, it places the cursor on the lowest channel instead of on the channel you just were, or on the channel the foreground tuner is using. Curiously, it doesn't do that when in the live guide. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...09#post8902409
5.12 It is no longer possible to use the right arrow to cycle through the different versions of the channel/program info display.

5.14 HDUI On-Screen-Banner Related:
5.14.2 When entering channel numbers in "live" TV viewing, on the info banner or mini guide, they stop at 4 digits and do not wrap around as they used to do. So there is no way to correct a typo, you have to wait for the incorrect channel or exit the info banner/mini guide.

5.17 When transferring network video to the Premiere (from, for example, PyTiVo), some users have noticed the HDUI menu screen can "quiver" or "shake" vertically, rapidly, by a pixel or two. It can also cause light stuttering in HD video playback during the transfer. Confirmed, but not known if this started in 20.2 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8974053


-Unresolved/Carry-Over-

5.25 The KidZone SDUI dialog bug for the "Please Wait" dialog when selecting KidZone is still present. The dialog displays almost completely off the screen. This bug was introduced in 14.9.

5.26 When scrolling through wishlists, it can be very slow when using the channel down button, and presents a "Please Wait" dialog each time. Issue first occurred in 14.9. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...67#post8871667

5.30 Over-the-air digital broadcasts that contain audio-only programming (with no video) will not tune on the Premiere.


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5.1 clock now, when set to on, and using the HDUI goes to the top right of the screen. I can't find a way to turn the clock on or off except in the SDUI, others may find a way to control the clock when using HDUI.
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Cox H.264 Plus Package HD Channels Fixed w/ 20.2.1.1

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1. Cox customers that had difficulty receiving "Plus Pak" channels should find that issue resolved.
RE: The "Spring Update" SW Vers. 20.2.1.1-01-2

I am VERY happy to confirm the issue with the Cox H.264 Plus Package HD Channels have been Fixed with the latest SW release.

Note: You still need to call Cox @ 877-820-8202 to have the Plus Pak channels added to your account. ask for HBO+, SHO+, Starz+, and/or Cinemax+
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I am VERY happy to confirm the issue with the Cox H.264 Plus Package HD Channels have been Fixed with the latest SW release.
Thanks- I actually saw that in the other thread and already added to my working copy and it should appear soon.

Looks like I have everything actually pulled in now from both the official release notes and carried over from the previous changelog thread. Lots of stuff!
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5.1 clock now, when set to on, and using the HDUI goes to the top right of the screen. I can't find a way to turn the clock on or off except in the SDUI, others may find a way to control the clock when using HDUI.
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I don't have Netflix or the update, but based off the Engadget review TiVo search no longer brings you straight to the episode in Netflix. With the old app you could watch an episode pretty much straight from search or the episode guide. Now it sounds like it takes you to the Netflix search.
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5.11.8 is fixed.
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5.11.8 is fixed.
If you are confirming it, I will remove it (I know it was in conflict with what Margret said)
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I don't have Netflix or the update, but based off the Engadget review TiVo search no longer brings you straight to the episode in Netflix. With the old app you could watch an episode pretty much straight from search or the episode guide. Now it sounds like it takes you to the Netflix search.
I don't have Netflix streaming anymore, so hopefully someone can clarify/confirm this so we can add it. Plus, someone will have to decide if it is a negative or positive change
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5.1 clock now, when set to on, and using the HDUI goes to the top right of the screen. I can't find a way to turn the clock on or off except in the SDUI, others may find a way to control the clock when using HDUI.
You should be able to enter the code again to turn it off. I was able to do it several times when I tested it yesterday.
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You should be able to enter the code again to turn it off. I was able to do it several times when I tested it yesterday.
Removed it back from the list.
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If you find movie in TiVo Search, we can take you directly to that movie in the Netflix app.

If you find a specific episode of a series in the TiVo UI, we can tell that Netflix has that episode, but there is no way for us to take you directly to that episode in the Netflix app. (They don't have an API to support it.) The best we came up with was to take you to the Netflix app and execute a Search for that series.
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If you find movie in TiVo Search, we can take you directly to that movie in the Netflix app.

If you find a specific episode of a series in the TiVo UI, we can tell that Netflix has that episode, but there is no way for us to take you directly to that episode in the Netflix app. (They don't have an API to support it.) The best we came up with was to take you to the Netflix app and execute a Search for that series.
That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the clarification. Seems like the right thing to do, even if it appears to be broken or odd on the surface. And adding additional messages to the user about it might be helpful at first, and then just annoying every time afterward.
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Looks like the info button no longer works while watching netflix. Used to be able to get episode info this way. Anyone found a way to display Netflix episode info while watching a stream?
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5.1 clock now, when set to on, and using the HDUI goes to the top right of the screen. I can't find a way to turn the clock on or off except in the SDUI, others may find a way to control the clock when using HDUI.
In the HDUI, you have to press Select and then the code, so it ends up being

SELECT-SELECT-PLAY-SELECT-9-SELECT
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"stop recording & delete" is working
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"stop recording & delete" still not executing the "delete"
Funny you should say that, I tried testing that several times tonight and it has worked for me so far. But my sample rate is (so far) too low for me to draw any conclusions, since it often did work for me.
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I just changed my response. I was stupidly testing on my TiVo that I haven't restarted yet
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Don't know if this should go as a pre-install issue or not.

Got home and the box was reporting "Pending Restart". Tivo Premiere Elite.

The Wife reported that she could no longer use Trick/Play Functions (Fast Forward/Rewind/Stop). Somehow the TIVO thought that it no longer had a subscription and stated in the messages "Please activate Box and connect to TIVO Servers".

I thought it was an odd hiccup from connecting to get the update.

I forced a reboot and allowed the software update to happen. Took about 22 minutes.

After it finished and came back up all was good and I am not on the latest version. 20.2.1

just thought it was odd.
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If you find movie in TiVo Search, we can take you directly to that movie in the Netflix app.

If you find a specific episode of a series in the TiVo UI, we can tell that Netflix has that episode, but there is no way for us to take you directly to that episode in the Netflix app. (They don't have an API to support it.) The best we came up with was to take you to the Netflix app and execute a Search for that series.
I guess this means unfortunately we will probably never see the ability to keep Netflix series in your My Shows list. I know Ben on Engadget HD has asked for this and I always thought it would be usefull so you could keep the next episode to watch as a direct link. It also would let you see a complete list of shows you like or want to watch on My Shows.

From the sound of it assuming I am remembering correctly I definitely prefer the old way of jumping straight to the episode. Hopefully Netflix adds this functionality so TiVo can bring the feature back. I know for me this is why I never understood the complaints about the old Netflix app, because I always just used TiVo search to jump straight to what I wanted.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:28 AM   #21
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Tivo really needs to get rid of the redundant "HD Recordings" folder. It never served a purpose other than to single them out and show them off - but now that every channel in most packages is available in HD, it's completely unnecessary and annoying.
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:05 AM   #22
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I got the update yesterday (5/10) afternoon - did a manual reboot to install it.

I don't actually care about the highlighted updates (Netflix, YouTube, or parental controls) what I will be looking for are any improvements in OTA reception.

I have not notice any improvement so far, but if anyone notices any difference in OTA reception please post.

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Old 05-11-2012, 06:52 AM   #23
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I just changed my response. I was stupidly testing on my TiVo that I haven't restarted yet
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:53 AM   #24
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5.22 has been fixed. The SDUI is reporting the correct file sizes now.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:19 PM   #25
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The problem of delete when streaming from another TP has been fixed. Before this update unless you were at the very end on the program you got the delete menu but the delete did not work, now when streaming if you stop watching and get the option to delete and select delete the program on the other TP will delete.
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3.1.1.4

While this is as described in Live TV, it still brings up the medium banner if you exit the guide while watching a recording.
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3.1.1.4

While this is as described in Live TV, it still brings up the medium banner if you exit the guide while watching a recording.
Clarifying in the log
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The problem of delete when streaming from another TP has been fixed. Before this update unless you were at the very end on the program you got the delete menu but the delete did not work, now when streaming if you stop watching and get the option to delete and select delete the program on the other TP will delete.
I didn't see that anywhere in the previous log, but I will add it as fixed.
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5.22 has been fixed. The SDUI is reporting the correct file sizes now.
Adding (well, moving from section 5 and rewording)
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1.2.1.3 (Recently Watched) is definitely fixed (shows at least the last 5). I don't know if they fixed the issue or if it was just a quirk yesterday. I was in and out of the app a few times to rule that out.

1.2.1.4 (Vanishing Text when scrolling) I haven't seen this today, but harder to say conclusively if this is fixed as well.
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