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Old 04-30-2012, 05:56 PM   #31
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I sure hope not as this would probably mean more January Jones screen time.

It's amazing how good these episodes can be, Francis Family Free.
Agreed. I think we are due for a Betts episode. Reminds me of Family Guy when they do a "Meg Episode" and Peter Griffin comes on and apologizes and says that you can watch something else if you want.

They should have Jon Hamm come on in the beginning and say "Yep, it is another Betts episode. You won't miss anything, so go ahead and watch something else"
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:33 PM   #32
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Sally looked a-dor-a-ble in her dress-a Mini-Megan-the boots were so cute, the make-up I can understand, but I wish he had let her keep the boots!!

I thought it was interesting that the other boys called Glenn "Face" like he was all handsome now-

LOL @how Sally called Grandma Francis "Bluto"

Loved how Emil said to Don, "One day your daughter will spread her legs and fly away..."

"That's wings, Emil.."

And when Megan was telling Don how Emil was crying to his grad student about his book being rejected, and Don was clueless...and then Megan had to tell him, "He should be crying to [Megan's Mother]" - Geez, has Don ever been in a healthy relationship?
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Yeah. i totally LOLed for real when Meagan's dad talked about Sally "spreading her legs"

LMFAO

Roger's reaction was great.


I too loved the "date" Sally and Roger had. Good stuff.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:09 AM   #34
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All of the above! I saw the ink bottle and ink and the white rug and thought "oh no! here it comes!"

Maybe Don didn't get upset because it didn't register like it would have with Betty seeing it.
I think he didn't react because he knows that Emil just doesn't like him.

In addition to the "spread her legs" quote, the other LOL one for me was Roger saying, "Who knows....maybe Jesus was trying to close the loaves and fish account." Great writing!!
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:20 AM   #35
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Also, that white carpet has been brutalized all season (at Don's birthday party, for example). I think he doesn't much care at this point (if he ever did; undoubtedly Megan wanted the carpet).
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:24 AM   #36
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I sure hope not as this would probably mean more January Jones screen time.

It's amazing how good these episodes can be, Francis Family Free.
I agree, but Betty is a stunning woman.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:25 AM   #37
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Also, that white carpet has been brutalized all season (at Don's birthday party, for example). I think he doesn't much care at this point (if he ever did; undoubtedly Megan wanted the carpet).
I bet by next season they'll have new carpet, and it'll be a much more practical color!
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:30 AM   #38
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Sally looked a-dor-a-ble in her dress-a Mini-Megan-the boots were so cute, the make-up I can understand, but I wish he had let her keep the boots!!
That was an LOL for us. Betty would poop herself if she saw Sally like that.
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I thought it was interesting that the other boys called Glenn "Face" like he was all handsome now-
He is one creepy character. Betty's right about him.
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Loved how Emil said to Don, "One day your daughter will spread her legs and fly away..."
"That's wings, Emil.."
I thought it was Megan who corrected him. "Wings, Daddy". That was the line of the episode!
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And when Megan was telling Don how Emil was crying to his grad student about his book being rejected, and Don was clueless...and then Megan had to tell him, "He should be crying to [Megan's Mother]" - Geez, has Don ever been in a healthy relationship?
Right after Megan said it, I said "oh, right". Then Don did.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:23 AM   #39
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I agree, but Betty is a stunning woman.
She's a bit of a porker.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:27 AM   #40
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She's a bit of a porker.
Time for a "January Jones Fat?" thread?
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:43 AM   #41
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She's a bit of a porker.

Actually, I think she applying the makeup a bit thick!
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Time for a "January Jones Fat?" thread?
No, JJ isn't fat but Betty is getting a little chunktastic.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:25 AM   #43
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No, JJ isn't fat but Betty is getting a little chunktastic.
Exactly...LOTS of body padding...

If you see her nowadays, she quite svelte...
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:38 AM   #44
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She's a bit of a porker.
I'd porker.
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I'd porker.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:49 AM   #46
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Excellent EW character study of Roger Sterling (John Slattery)...

His performance this season is Emmy-worthy...
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:56 AM   #47
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I bet by next season they'll have new carpet, and it'll be a much more practical color!
Red shag!
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:11 PM   #48
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Interesting with Heinz. Megan thought of the idea, others thought Don thought of it and gave it to her, then in the end she gives it back to Don to pitch to save the account. Maybe he always was going to pitch it but it was played perfectly.
Megan let Don take the reins because they both know that Heinz rejected every idea Peggy had because she is a woman. They couldn't risk that he would reject Megan's idea since this was their last chance.
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Megan let Don take the reins because they both know that Heinz rejected every idea Peggy had because she is a woman. They couldn't risk that he would reject Megan's idea since this was their last chance.
Yes, and it was played perfectly. Even Megan knew that Don had to do the pitch.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:13 PM   #50
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Excellent EW character study of Roger Sterling (John Slattery)...

His performance this season is Emmy-worthy...
Hah, I did not know Mona is his wife IRL.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:34 PM   #51
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Red shag!
You know, this was just about the time that shag carpeting became popular, I think..... (God, I just hated shag carpet)....
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:42 PM   #52
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I have had a huge crush on John Slattery since "Homecoming".

He is just fantastic. And HAWT.
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You know, this was just about the time that shag carpeting became popular, I think..... (God, I just hated shag carpet)....
I got to redecorate my bedroom when I was little. I got green shag carpeting.

It was groovy!
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Two Megan incidents in the episode that I think are important parts of what I'm guessing will be Megan's story arc this season:

1) We know how genuine and true Megan is on the inside and how cynical she finds the people of SCDP. After her success on the Heinz pitch when Peggy tells Megan, "This is as good as it gets" you have to think that Megan is thinking to herself, "Oh my God, THIS is as good as it gets?! THIS is how shallow and cynical not just you people are, but this whole ad business, too? A petty idea like this gets people all excited?" I think that's the expression we saw on her face the whole time Peggy is congratulating her - one of mild shock over a new awareness. One that she didn't like.

2) Megan's father expresses strong disapproval over Megan giving up on her dreams and also spreading her legs and flying away to this greedy ad man. At the end scene at the banquet table, we see Megan is crestfallen by her father's disapproval.

My guess on where that takes Megan this season:

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I'm betting we're seeing before us a story arc that drives Megan out of SCDP not just to please her father, but to restore her own self-respect, back to acting. (I believe it was acting, anyway.) And if she leaves SCDP, where does that leave her relationship with Don, who is the very embodiment of the ad business? Can she stay with a shallow, cynical man like Don once she 'wakes up'?

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I got to redecorate my bedroom when I was little. I got green shag carpeting.

It was groovy!
I had blue shag carpeting in my bedroom. It was the 70's afterall!
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1) We know how genuine and true Megan is on the inside and how cynical she finds the people of SCDP. After her success on the Heinz pitch when Peggy tells Megan, "This is as good as it gets" you have to think that Megan is thinking to herself, "Oh my God, THIS is as good as it gets?! THIS is how shallow and cynical not just you people are, but this whole ad business, too? A petty idea like this gets people all excited?" I think that's the expression we saw on her face the whole time Peggy is congratulating her - one of mild shock over a new awareness. One that she didn't like.
This is exactly what I saw...the realization that if this is as good as it gets, she's really not that excited about it after all.
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2) Megan's father expresses strong disapproval over Megan giving up on her dreams and also spreading her legs and flying away to this greedy ad man.
That occurred to me too - that her father knew exactly what he was saying with the "spreading her legs" line, and he was referring to Megan not Sally.
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A great fashion episode and here's the deep dive:

http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2012/05...fish-ball.html
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Anyone else find Joan's use of the phrase, "it is what it is" when she was talking to Peggy an anachronism? The first time I ever heard that phrase was around 2008, never before, and certainly not in the 60's. I'm surprised Weiner let that slip through.
I didn't find it out of place at all. I first heard it from a sports radio host here in Phoenix in the late 90s, but he's from NY, and I assumed it was something he'd heard and used his entire life.
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Interesting thought. I think they would have showed the Mom opening the cake and throwing out when she got home or something. I interpreted the Mom's comment about not opening the cake to be more about how she didn't view Peggy as an adult and didn't trust her to not mess up the cake.
But I don't recall that she ever actually got the cake back. I think she left without it.
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Megan let Don take the reins because they both know that Heinz rejected every idea Peggy had because she is a woman. They couldn't risk that he would reject Megan's idea since this was their last chance.
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Yes, and it was played perfectly. Even Megan knew that Don had to do the pitch.
I also think that Megan wasn't all that interested in getting the credit. She initially thought the idea was not that great, and didn't expect it to get all kinds of applause. I interpreted it that she was uncomfortable with the spotlight and that's why she was willing to let Don pass the idea off as his own. Unlike Peggy, she's not in this to try and make a place for herself in the ad world. However, the way she and Don played off each other at the dinner during the pitch to Heinz was masterful.
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I also think that Megan wasn't all that interested in getting the credit. She initially thought the idea was not that great, and didn't expect it to get all kinds of applause. I interpreted it that she was uncomfortable with the spotlight and that's why she was willing to let Don pass the idea off as his own. Unlike Peggy, she's not in this to try and make a place for herself in the ad world. However, the way she and Don played off each other at the dinner during the pitch to Heinz was masterful.
Megan comes across to me as genuine. She's conscious that her giving an idea to Don is liable to be viewed more highly than from another employee, so she's happy to have him take credit to make nice with her coworkers. She wants to be good at it, tries to learn all the time. I think she'll be Ok in the spotlight once she feels she's paid more of her dues to get there.

They way she handled the dinner with the Heinz guy was masterful, and Ken was there to tell the story to others in addition to Don. Except the the whispered "we're getting fired" he knew saw and heard every comment and signal. Not knowing the fired bit meant he took a few more beats to come up to speed, but he jumped in on Megan's setup eventually. That made him appreciate it all the more.
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