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Old 04-20-2012, 08:29 AM   #1
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Automatic Setting of Thumbs Up When Recording?

I'm new to TiVo and the whole idea of suggestions, but am seeing something I would prefer to disable if possible ...
Whenever I set a manual recording (using the guide), TiVo will automatically give the newly recorded program a thumbs up - this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Aren't suggestions based on what I like and not what I record? Or is the assumption that I only record the things I like which isn't always true.
Can I turn off this specific "auto-tagging"?
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:42 AM   #2
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If you set up recordings from the iPhone/iPad app it doesn't do this. But yeah its annoying. Keep your gf/wife away from that remote or your suggestions will be full of the View and Real Housewives.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:08 AM   #3
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I'm new to TiVo and the whole idea of suggestions, but am seeing something I would prefer to disable if possible ...
Whenever I set a manual recording (using the guide), TiVo will automatically give the newly recorded program a thumbs up - this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Aren't suggestions based on what I like and not what I record? Or is the assumption that I only record the things I like which isn't always true.
Can I turn off this specific "auto-tagging"?
Regarding suggestions, that is the way it is set up. Suggestions are based on what you specifically record. It's like a default setting that you are only supposed to record stuff you actually like.

It's easy enough to remove that automatic thumbs up by going to the info page of the recorded show (the page you enter when you select a show from the Now Playing/My Shows menu) and hitting the thumbs down button.

You can also go in and review/change all your thumb ratings by going to the Tivo Suggestions menu and then hitting 'Enter' on the remote.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:18 AM   #4
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You can also go in and review/change all your thumb ratings by going to the Tivo Suggestions menu and then hitting 'Enter' on the remote.
You can also go in and review/change all some of your thumb ratings...
Only programs that are in the current guide data will be shown in Suggestions.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:46 AM   #5
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You can also go in and review/change all some of your thumb ratings...
Only programs that are in the current guide data will be shown in Suggestions.
I think you're confusing the Tivo Suggestions menu and the Review Thumbs menu.

The Tivo Suggestions menu is based off of the guide data. It lists the shows the Tivo thinks you would like to record.

The Review Thumbs menu (which you get to via the Tivo Suggestions menu by pressing 'Enter') lists shows outside of the guide data.
For instance, my Review Thumbs menu currently lists several shows (Rookie Blue, Terra Nova, The River, Combat Hospital, Prime Suspect, to name a few) that are no longer in the guide data.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:06 PM   #6
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If the goal of suggestions is to find and suggest things that you might like, why would you NOT want the thumb added to items you record to help it generate suggestions?

That's the part I'm lost on, it's a huge plus to suggestions logic to know what you like to watch and find you more things like it.
Between automatic single thumbs and you editing thumbs, that's how it would build the accuracy into suggestions it wants to record for you.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:14 PM   #7
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You record things you don't like? Or do you really record things you don't want others to know you like? When would you watch a recording you do not like? Just trying to understand.

Personally, I like the feature, but I know it exists and will eliminate the thumb on say, a first run show I'm not sure I want showing up again.

These are suggestions, not wishlists or season passes. How else should it judge something you may want to watch?
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:19 PM   #8
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If the goal of suggestions is to find and suggest things that you might like, why would you NOT want the thumb added to items you record to help it generate suggestions?
Well, if the scenario is that your SO comes in and starts recording stuff that you hate on YOUR Tivo, that will screw up YOUR suggestions (if that is the case, it's time for his/her Tivos ).
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:55 PM   #9
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If the goal of suggestions is to find and suggest things that you might like, why would you NOT want the thumb added to items you record to help it generate suggestions?
Maybe it is a wishlist item?
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:09 PM   #10
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If the goal of suggestions is to find and suggest things that you might like, why would you NOT want the thumb added to items you record to help it generate suggestions?

That's the part I'm lost on, it's a huge plus to suggestions logic to know what you like to watch and find you more things like it.
Between automatic single thumbs and you editing thumbs, that's how it would build the accuracy into suggestions it wants to record for you.
Because I frequently record a show that (a) my wife asked me to record that I won't likely watch or (b) a show that looks like it might be interesting, so that I'll decide after I watch it whether it's worthy of a thumb rating. So I do NOT want an automatic thumb rating just because I asked to record it.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:53 PM   #11
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I think you're confusing the Tivo Suggestions menu and the Review Thumbs menu.

The Tivo Suggestions menu is based off of the guide data. It lists the shows the Tivo thinks you would like to record.

The Review Thumbs menu (which you get to via the Tivo Suggestions menu by pressing 'Enter') lists shows outside of the guide data.
For instance, my Review Thumbs menu currently lists several shows (Rookie Blue, Terra Nova, The River, Combat Hospital, Prime Suspect, to name a few) that are no longer in the guide data.
You're right. Sorry.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:07 PM   #12
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In the old days, the TiVo suggestions algorithm treated thumbs given automatically as basically being a half thumb even though it displayed a full thumb. In other words programs manually giving a thumbs up held more weight than ones automatically given a thumbs up. I have no idea what it does now-a-days.

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Old 04-20-2012, 09:41 PM   #13
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Yes to what morac said.

There used to be (and who knows if it is still true) two flavors of thumbs. Explicit thumbs (the kind you punched in) and implied thumbs (the automatic kind generated when you record a show).

I sometimes remove an implied/automatic thumb. It really isn't a lot of work to do so.

I guess the question is, which is more annoying/time consuming? Removing unwanted thumbs or adding wanted thumbs.
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:19 AM   #14
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If you always had to add your thumbs manually your TiVo wouldn't get you™.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:17 PM   #15
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Just manually thumb it down later..

I too don't see how it can figure out "what you like" without basing it on what you record!

I'm personally a person who likes a lot of tweakability, but automatically giving a thumbs up to something you record is just so much an obvious "duhh", that NOT doing that is such an outlier position.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:21 AM   #16
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Depends on the situation. It could figure out what you like based on what you manually rate. The current setup doesn't bother me as I have the recording of suggestions disabled. It's 6 one way a half dozen the other to me.

Do you have a citation to back up the outlier claim or are you simply assuming that anything that isn't in line with your personal preference is an "outlier"? Auto thumbs up is an "obvious duhh" to you because it fits your preference, not because it's "obvious".
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:25 PM   #17
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I sometimes remove an implied/automatic thumb. It really isn't a lot of work to do so.
I almost always do that.
What I miss is "the old days" when you could remove a thumbs up by giving it a thumbs down resulting in a neutral that stayed that way - if you recorded that program again, it wouldn't get an automatic green thumb because you had already rated it. That changed years ago. Now you can remove the rating putting it back to neutral, but if you record that program again, it automatically gets a green thumb again.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:06 PM   #18
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Do you have a citation to back up the outlier claim or are you simply assuming that anything that isn't in line with your personal preference is an "outlier"? Auto thumbs up is an "obvious duhh" to you because it fits your preference, not because it's "obvious".
No, because it's obvious... Tivos are supposed to be simple, and the obvious thing is for suggestions to be based upon things you're already recording _and/or_ manually add thumbs to. I would suspect that most people don't even manually add thumbs to other recordings.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:34 PM   #19
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Wow I didn't know that's partially how it finds things I like... Good to know
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