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Old 04-19-2012, 10:20 AM   #181
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I get annoyed with the stupid people who don't know what ignorant means too. Ignorant people that don't know what stupid means, well that's an entirely different topic.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:24 AM   #182
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One of my old teachers used to say you can fix ignorant. You can't fix stupid.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #183
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To be fair, however, while technically it can be used in a neutral way, "ignorant" is generally considered a pretty insulting word.
By whom? And why?

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But Ereth was confessing that he uses "ignorant" in a neutral manner and then goes into lecture mode when people take it the "wrong" way (which is in fact the way the word is almost always used).

It's a kind of fake outrage that presses MY buttons.
I'm sorry, are you suggesting that because the common people misuse a word to mean something else, that means we have to stop using it correctly? We have abandoned all hope of educating them, and just have to live in a world where all the words are misused on a regular basis?

There's no fake outrage on my part. It truly pisses me off.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #184
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But Ereth was confessing that he uses "ignorant" in a neutral manner and then goes into lecture mode when people take it the "wrong" way (which is in fact the way the word is almost always used).
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #185
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I get ignorant with the annoyed people who don't know what stupid means.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:27 AM   #186
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There's no fake outrage on my part. It truly pisses me off.
Then you are genuinely ignorant of the way "ignorant" is almost universally used....which is to say, as an insult.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:33 AM   #187
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Then you are genuinely ignorant of the way "ignorant" is almost universally used....which is to say, as an insult.
In my lifetime that is a recent event. In my formative years it was never used as an insult. I reject the colloquialism. It's a misuse of the word. No better than using "axe" to mean "ask".

Next you'll be telling me that I shouldn't be bothered by apostrophe misuse, or the mistaken use of "your" and "you're". Simply allowing people to think that their misuse of a word is correct continues the mistake.

But I'm open to education here, Rob. What word would you suggest I use to mean "You have no knowledge on this topic" or perhaps "your understanding is incomplete"?

Were I to try to debate you on the finer points of Medieval History, what word would you use to describe my total lack of knowledge on the topic?

It's not like I'm saying "You are so ignorant!". I use it in a precise context. "Your ignorance of advanced physics causes you to come to an incorrect conclusion".
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:44 AM   #188
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:48 AM   #189
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To get this back on topic, would trusting Littlefinger be ignorant, or just stupid?

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To get this back on topic, would trusting Littlefinger be ignorant, or just stupid?

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He did actually warn Ned Stark not to trust anybody, so that would eliminate ignorance, at least in that one case.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:50 AM   #191
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To get this back on topic, would trusting Littlefinger be ignorant, or just stupid?
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He did actually warn Ned Stark not to trust anybody, so that would eliminate ignorance, at least in that one case.
Was definitely stupid of our beheaded hero. Everyone else that he hasn't warned, I suppose they would be ignorant.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:36 PM   #192
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To bring this back to one of the original lines of questioning in this thread: (and no I haven't read the books, nor do I plan to until wither the HBO series or books are finished)

Another reason for the assassin to have the dagger -- it was given to him as all or partial payment for doing the job. My understanding was that it was of high quality and made by a famous knife maker (Littlefinger "recognized the maker's mark") -- it also may have been better than any other knife the assassin had at his disposal (since he was away from home, assuming he was part of the King's travelling party).
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Old 04-19-2012, 03:05 PM   #193
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It was made of Valyrian steel, which is the highest quality steel in the world of Westeros. It's forged in a manner that gave it unequaled strength and sharpness, but the art of creating it was lost with Valyria.

The steel can be reforged into new weapons but not created any longer. Therefore mostly lords and rich persons have Valyrian steel weapons.

Other Valyrian steel weapons we've seen:

Ice, Lord Eddard's greatsword that is now owned by Sir Ilyne Payne, the King's headsman.

Longclaw, Jon Snow's bastard sword given to him by Lord Mormont (which was originally intended for Jorah Mormont).
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Longclaw, Jon Snow's bastard sword given to him by Lord Mormont (which was originally intended for Jorah Mormont).
I can't help chuckling at the terminology.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:09 PM   #195
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I can't help chuckling at the terminology.
"Jorah may have been a traitor, but he just wasn't enough of a bastard for this sword. Here, Jon."
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:07 PM   #196
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...Ice, Lord Eddard's greatsword that is now owned by Sir Ilyne Payne, the King's headsman.
Robb Stark should have insisted he also gets Ned's greatsword back to Winterfell lest Ser feel some real Pain.
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you mean Payne.
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