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Old 02-23-2012, 09:37 PM   #1
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TiVo transcoder and IP-based set top box coming 'by the end of*summer'

Let the good times roll

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/23/28...release-summer
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:19 PM   #2
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Love it! I will be one of the first out of the box with this unit!

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Am I the only one that reads this article to include both the transcoder (TiVo transcoder) and the preview(IP-based set top box)?

Yep - that is how Engadget reads it... Retail preview!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/t...p-set-top-box/
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:33 PM   #3
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:52 PM   #4
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Can NOT wait for the Preview STB!!! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY TIVO!!!
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:12 PM   #5
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Great news. It will be interesting to see how they price the IP STB.
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:47 AM   #6
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I'm somewhat hesitant to call the IP-STB a Preview yet. The "IP" infers the box doesn't have a tuner. The Preview has a tuner and cablecard slot. It's a full-blown STB.

It might be a Preview, but Tivo would need to go through another waiver process first. They may do that, or they could bypass that entirely by foregoing tuners and going with a true IP-only Roku-like extender. Having no other information to go on yet, I'm kind of leaning in that direction.
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If this as a STB, Were is the HDMI?

I would still like to see a full blown retail Preview as an option too.
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:44 AM   #8
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So this would let you stream from all TiVos S1-S4?
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:57 AM   #10
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This should be good timing. My free DVR from FiOS comes up at the end of July.

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Old 02-24-2012, 07:45 AM   #11
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Very doubtful...
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Old 02-24-2012, 08:02 AM   #12
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I'm somewhat hesitant to call the IP-STB a Preview yet. The "IP" infers the box doesn't have a tuner. The Preview has a tuner and cablecard slot. It's a full-blown STB.
Interesting question... Are we sure that TiVo's existing waiver couldn't be leveraged for this product? I haven't read it - just wondering out loud.

On one hand it makes seemingly no sense for TiVo to add yet another disparate product into inventory - on the other hand a tunerless extender may be the only approach that makes sense for the retail market.

Consider this:
A preview with a cablecard and guide data would need to pay a license fee for that data... An IP device (like the iPad) that uses an existing TiVo tuner and associated guide data apparently does not.

That approach should allow TiVo to sell the device without a subscription just like the iPad app with the transcoder.

On top of that we know that TiVo is ramping up its app development platform...

So a Roku type device that is also able to borrow the guide data and spare tuner from an existing TiVo? And no need for a service fee on this additional device?

All conjecture at this point, but I am liking the approach.

I currently have one TiVo split between two rooms with an HDMI splitter - this could be a far easier and elegant solution.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:03 AM   #13
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So this would let you stream from all TiVos S1-S4?
S1 TiVos don't even do MRV/TTG.

In S2 and S3 TiVos, the transfers aren't designed to be real-time, but there's no theoretical reason you couldn't MRV a program and just not store it. However, the fact that TiVo hasn't done that with the Premiere (i.e., it can't "stream" from an S2 or S3) is probably indicative of what you'll see on the new device.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:31 AM   #14
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So this would let you stream TiVo to an iPhone or iPad?

How much do we think something like this would cost? Rough guess?

$200 bucks? $100 bucks?
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:42 AM   #15
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So this would let you stream TiVo to an iPhone or iPad?

How much do we think something like this would cost? Rough guess?

$200 bucks? $100 bucks?
It will allow you to both stream and MRV videos from the TiVo to the iPad. From what I have seen, if you stream live TV it will take over your television - one or the other, not both screens.


Price? - Hard to say... My guess $100 to $150 with no service fee.
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I hope the Preview lets you manage recordings/season passes.
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I have a new pic of the transcoder... and someone mentioned being surveyed about a $169 price point.


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Old 02-24-2012, 02:45 PM   #18
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Interesting. When did TiVo start to fall in love with yellow? I've now noticed is very prevalent on their website too.
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Interesting question... Are we sure that TiVo's existing waiver couldn't be leveraged for this product? I haven't read it - just wondering out loud.

On one hand it makes seemingly no sense for TiVo to add yet another disparate product into inventory - on the other hand a tunerless extender may be the only approach that makes sense for the retail market.
The FCC ruling seemed to be for a specific product (Elite). One of the parties who commented on Tivo's waiver request did suggest to the FCC they eliminate the "analog rule" entirely, but the FCC shot that down and said they'll examine requests on a case-by-case basis. So I don't believe it's a blanket waiver that can cover the Preview too.

There's merit to both approaches. I agree the Roku approach is an easier sell for retail. And I'm totally there, especially if it can borrow a tuner for live streaming. That'd be great for secondary and tertiary TVs.

Edit: Megazone just posted a good, detailed writeup about the IP-STB:

http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/02/2...b-this-summer/

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The FCC ruling seemed to be for a specific product (Elite). One of the parties who commented on Tivo's waiver request did suggest to the FCC they eliminate the "analog rule" entirely, but the FCC shot that down and said they'll examine requests on a case-by-case basis. So I don't believe it's a blanket waiver that can cover the Preview too.

There's merit to both approaches. I agree the Roku approach is an easier sell for retail. And I'm totally there, especially if it can borrow a tuner for live streaming. That'd be great for secondary and tertiary TVs.

Edit: Megazone just posted a good, detailed writeup about the IP-STB:

http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/02/2...b-this-summer/
So it's not even a retail product, it's aimed at the MSO's.
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Maybe so, but it would be easy to bring to retail customers also.
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I have a new pic of the transcoder... and someone mentioned being surveyed about a $169 price point.
Add me to the list. I hope I can stream to a laptop as well. Though at $169 it seems a bit high, considering you can buy a Roku for $70 or so these days, and it does a lot more than just transcode.
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I am hoping for under $150 - but that pricepoint doesn't scare me off.

With their wireless N adapter running $70, I suppose I am a little more realistic in my estimates. Also, TiVo doesn't sell anywhere near the volume that Roku does - so they simply don't have the luxury of such tight margins.
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Also, TiVo doesn't sell anywhere near the volume that Roku does - so they simply don't have the luxury of such tight margins.
True, although this box is very much different internals as it's main purpose is transcoding video. This would make the hardware cost more than a Roku that is designed mostly for just streaming content and not transcoding. My guess is it would be more similar to a Slingbox Pro-HD as for the type of internals that it would require (of course without the digital tuners).
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I might have to buy both of these. I already have a device that streams TiVo to another room via wireless HDMI, but it's a bit clumsy and flaky, so a Preview type box would be a better solution. (I don't need another tuner, so a full blown Premiere is overkill) And the iPad thing is cool because I bought Slingbox app for my iPad only to discover that my Slingbox is broken and wont stream for more then a few minutes without cutting out. (capacitor problem) I don't want to give sling any more money so I'd rather buy the TiVo product to fill that need instead.

I wonder if the side-loading capability of the transcoder will be added to TiVo Desktop? I think people who own these boxes would like to use them to also capture H.264 versions of their TiVo files on their PCs as well, rather then having to expend CPU cycles to transcode after the transfer using TiVo Desktop Plus.

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I wonder if the side-loading capability of the transcoder will be added to TiVo Desktop? I think people who own these boxes would like to use them to also capture H.264 versions of their TiVo files on their PCs as well, rather then having to expend CPU cycles to transcode after the transfer using TiVo Desktop Plus.

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someplace (gizmolovers or zatz's?) says the box will use DLNA standard stuff.

I am not really up on that- but i think you could just use windows media center or some other media player to download DLNA content- no?

if so there's no reason to even use tivo desktop- it's basically built into every pc already....
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someplace (gizmolovers or zatz's?) says the box will use DLNA standard stuff.
Not I. But MZ did cover something by a product guy saying they are moving to DLNA. Not sure when, how, or where they intend to implement it. But the obvious use case of home media to a TiVo. Protected DLNA-esque transport doesn't really help us beyond TiVo created endpoints.

http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/2...ut-the-future/


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I wonder if the side-loading capability of the transcoder will be added to TiVo Desktop? I think people who own these boxes would like to use them to also capture H.264 versions of their TiVo files on their PCs as well, rather then having to expend CPU cycles to transcode after the transfer using TiVo Desktop Plus.
I dunno... I could see TiVo Desktop going away entirely. Or at least dying of atrophy once the Transcoder is released.

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True, although this box is very much different internals as it's main purpose is transcoding video. This would make the hardware cost more than a Roku that is designed mostly for just streaming content and not transcoding. My guess is it would be more similar to a Slingbox Pro-HD as for the type of internals that it would require (of course without the digital tuners).
Yeah, it's more specialized and probably powerful hardware to do what it's doing with four simultaneous streams. Also, TiVo won't move as many boxes as Roku - so smaller production runs would drive up costs too.
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I dunno... I could see TiVo Desktop going away entirely. Or at least dying of atrophy once the Transcoder is released.
It would be cool if I could easily transcode / side load movies from my server to the iPad using Something like Pytivo. Yes - there are other ways, but everything else is mutistep and takes a lot of time and often fails.

This would be an elegant solution.
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I dunno... I could see TiVo Desktop going away entirely. Or at least dying of atrophy once the Transcoder is released.
Wait, Tivo Desktop is just the way to utilize Tivo To Go, right? (Being on a Mac, since I refuse to buy Toast, I just use kmttg.)

Basically, while having this box to be able to do the transcoding is good, I still would want the ability to download the un-modified recordings optionally. (e.g. when I keep musical performances of TV shows.)

I don't have any Premieres, nor an iPad, but something like this is compelling. I actually like the transcoding part more than the stream-within-the-house part.

A wish that will never happen though -- a way to have subtitles on the transcoded video -- or even open captions (i.e. burned in the recording).. e.g. to use an iPad while on a treadmill. I already use captions most of the time, and very very often record to my other recorder so I can watch faster than realtime.. and leave captions on then.. So end up with open captions.
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Wait, Tivo Desktop is just the way to utilize Tivo To Go, right? (Being on a Mac, since I refuse to buy Toast, I just use kmttg.)

Basically, while having this box to be able to do the transcoding is good, I still would want the ability to download the un-modified recordings optionally. (e.g. when I keep musical performances of TV shows.)
I doubt they will be removing the ability to use TiVoToGo to transfer original recordings especially since few people will buy this transcoding box initially. With the real-time transcoding, they could actually update TiVo Desktop so it never has to do the transcoding on the PC if you have one of these new boxes which would be nice.

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