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Old 01-27-2012, 06:32 AM   #1
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How much do you pay monthly for your SDV Tuning Adapter?

I'm building a list to see what the standard charge is for a Tuning Adapter across the U.S.

Please respond with your cable operator name, market, and monthly cost. Also add if they charge for a 2nd Tuning Adapter if there is a difference for a second box. I would also like to know the cost of the CableCARD.

Thanks in advance for helping me populate the matrix. I will share it with the group when its complete!

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Cable operator: Bright House Networks, Tampa
Tuning Adapter cost: $3.80 / month
CableCARD cost: $2.95 / month


Cable Operator, CableCARD Cost, Tuning Adapter Cost
Bright House Networks, CC - $2.95, TA - $3.80
Time Warner Cable, CC - $2.00, TA - Free
Charter, CC - $2.00, TA - Free
Optimum, CC - $2.00, TA - Free
Cox, CC - $2.00, TA - Free
Comcast, CC - $1.75, TA - N/A (limited SDV)
Verizon, CC - $3.99, TA - N/A
Cablevision Systems Corp, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Suddenlink Communications, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Mediacom Comm, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Insight Comm, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
CableOne, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
WideOpenWest Networks, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Atlantic Broadband Group CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Knology, CC - TBD, TA - TBD
Armstrong Cable, CC - TBD, TA - TBD

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Old 01-27-2012, 09:11 AM   #2
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Same prices here in St. Pete.

Although I had the first year of the TA for free, so it just started showing up on my January bill and was prorated, so I won't pay the full amount until next month.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:48 AM   #3
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:11 AM   #4
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Tuning Adapter: No Charge
Reliable Tuning Adapter: Priceless (but not available)

Charging for a TA has been very rare. I wonder if it is a reaction to the recent FCC BYOB regulation? Maybe the logic is: "If you get a discount for not using our STB or VCR, you should be charged for any other box we furnish"

We TWC customers probably don't have to worry about this since there is no recorded instance of TWC giving a BYOB discount.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:27 AM   #5
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Charter installed a TA last month. They have not yet activated it. They said it would not cost anything. I really can't see them charging for something that they implemented to deal with their signal degradation.

Cable operator: Charter, Cleveland, TN
Tuning Adapter cost: $0 / month
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #6
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:03 PM   #7
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I have a Series-3 Tivo

Cable operator: COX San Diego
Tuning Adapter cost: $0 / month
CableCARD cost: $4.00 / month (2 CCs)
CableCARD Credit $3.99 / month
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #8
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Tuning adapter is free here. CableCARDs are $2/ea

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Old 01-27-2012, 05:18 PM   #9
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:59 PM   #10
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There should be no charge...there is NO benefit to the user. The only benefit is to the cable company (Cox). No charge now here (I have four) and there better not be later.

Cable card is $2/mo for each.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #11
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Advanced TV Gateway Fee: $1.80/mo per CC, was just reduced this month. (was $3/mo for 1st, $2/mo ea addt'l) This Fee is also charged on every leased DVR or STB, perhaps it is a hidden cost for the Tuning Adapter.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:34 PM   #12
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:53 PM   #13
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:59 PM   #14
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:09 AM   #15
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CableCARD = $2.95
Tuning Adapter was $3.80 (with one year free)
Next month as per the internal price memo that I got when I asked for a their annual price sheet today the cost for the TA is $4.00

However I added a second TA today and the REP did add free year to both again.

I have been forced into their packages and getting a Box of their own, which is a battle I am currently fighting with them.
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:57 AM   #16
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WOW!! SO they charge for the cable card AND the tuning adapter?
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:42 AM   #17
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No SDV so no tuning adapter
CableCARD: $1.75 / month

I too thought that tuning adapters were supposed to be provided free of charge where needed. They just went all digital here (virtually) to add more HD and to get us DOCSIS 3.0 and higher bandwidth Internet.

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Old 01-28-2012, 06:34 PM   #18
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:39 PM   #19
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All,

Thanks very much for your responses. I had an email exchange with an official official at the FCC discussing the cost of Tuning Adapters.

Unfortunately the FCC doesn't have the power to mandate that Tuning Adapters be furnished at zero cost.

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Unfortunately we don't have a lot of authority to regulate equipment costs (administrative agencies like the FCC are only allowed to work under the authority that Congress provides).

Our statement that the tuning adapters are typically free is true (Cox and Time Warner Cable both provide them for free) and also an effort on our part to encourage cable operators to continue the practice, but there's no rule that cable operators have to offer them for free.
It is interesting that Bright House Networks appears to be one of the few cable operators charging for the Tuning Adapters.

Its also interesting from the responses that Comcast is still moving in a direction that skips SDV and goes straight to IP delivery mechanisms thus not requiring a Tuning Adapter.

I will update the first post to highlight the various costs that have been provided by your responses.

Thanks!
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I have a Series-3 Tivo

Cable operator: COX San Diego
Tuning Adapter cost: $0 / month
CableCARD cost: $4.00 / month (2 CCs)
CableCARD Credit $3.99 / month
Can you clarify your cost per CableCARD? Each one is $4.00 but than they credit you back $3.99 or is each CC $2.00 for a total of $4.00 per month?
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2.00 each, net 4.00
Thanks for the clarification. It looks like all cable operators are at least consistent across their enterprise! I'm surprised that BHN is charging so much for the TA when all of the other's are providing it for free. I'm actually surprised the others haven't figure out a way to recoup the hardware cost of providing the TA which I'm guessing is approximately $3.80/mo for 60 months = ~$228.00.
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[quote=sbiller;8923869]Its also interesting from the responses that Comcast is still moving in a direction that skips SDV and goes straight to IP delivery mechanisms thus not requiring a Tuning Adapter. /QUOTE]

That's what I had heard as well at least regarding not moving forward with any more SDV deployments. Given the difficulties people have had with the TA's, I certainly hope that continues to be true in our area!

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Its also interesting from the responses that Comcast is still moving in a direction that skips SDV and goes straight to IP delivery mechanisms thus not requiring a Tuning Adapter.
That's what I had heard as well at least regarding not moving forward with any more SDV deployments. Given the difficulties people have had with the TA's, I certainly hope that continues to be true in our area!

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Here is an article from LightReading that discusses the state of SDV with Comcast. Unfortunately it appears they are one of the few cable operators that are "skipping" SDV and investing in modernizing their cable head-ends. They continue to play around with SDV as well so they could flip-flop on the issue again.

http://www.lightreading.com/document...&site=lr_cable
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Unfortunately it appears they are one of the few cable operators that are "skipping" SDV and investing in modernizing their cable head-ends.
Unfortunately? That seems like a fortunate thing to me. One less cable split, one less device to cause problems and one less wall wart sucking power.

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Unfortunately? That seems like a fortunate thing to me. One less cable split, one less device to cause problems and one less wall wart sucking power.

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I agree. Sorry for the double negative! I wish all the cable operators would take Comcast's approach and abandon QAM for IP delivery direct to home.
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Unfortunately? That seems like a fortunate thing to me. One less cable split, one less device to cause problems and one less wall wart sucking power.

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+1! major pita and yet another source of failure. every time they move channels around on the sdv i lose my signal for up to 48hrs and no one can explain or fix it.

here's my data point:

time-warner north texas extended digital service
cable card: $2.00ea (i only have two, but they are charging me for three. there is no separate line item for tuning adaptor, but i have another $2.00 charge for 'defeatured equipment'). the worst part is that i am terrified to call and complain because they end up disconnecting one of my moving parts and kill my service. these people are truly awful--there are just no words. any other viable option and i'd be gone.

that is last month's bill. i now have an elite which only uses one cable card, but i can't get any to work so i currently am in possession of five of them. god knows how much they'll charge me next month.

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I agree. Sorry for the double negative! I wish all the cable operators would take Comcast's approach and abandon QAM for IP delivery direct to home.
Umm, what? No.. Then you wouldn't be able to use a Tivo..

Plus, wouldn't you be much more likely to get glitches (i.e. like when watching video streamed in a browser), compared to _relatively_ much rarer glitches when watching a channel continuously broadcast on cable? (Yes, there are glitches, especially since it went digital)
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Umm, what? No.. Then you wouldn't be able to use a Tivo..

Plus, wouldn't you be much more likely to get glitches (i.e. like when watching video streamed in a browser), compared to _relatively_ much rarer glitches when watching a channel continuously broadcast on cable? (Yes, there are glitches, especially since it went digital)
Hmmm. I don't think so. The program is still delivered to the box (i.e., recorded). Its just utilizing IP technology instead of QAM. Its also possible that they (Comcast) use MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2 to gain more bandwidth and avoid SDV. I'm a bit confused on the technical details. I'm hoping I can get MegaZone to jump in and clarify.
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