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Old 12-15-2011, 05:44 PM   #1
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The 14.9.2.2 changelog thread

OK, since TiVo doesn't issue a real changelog, we have to build one ourselves. This is meant to be a changelog from 14.8 based on a Premiere non-Elite. I will try to keep this #1 posting updated with all the issues as they are listed:

Summary
This release contains no new features but does fix several bugs, and introduces a few, new, probably less serious bugs. There are some significant overall performance increases, mostly to non-UI related functions, and probably mostly attributable to the activation of the second CPU core. However, the HDUI still needs some design changes to make use of the new found power under the hood and lessen reliance on live, Internet-supplied data.

1 Non-UI or Both UI
1.1 Both/Non-UI Postive
1.1.1 People are reporting, and I have confirmed that the Premiere no longer gets stuck booting up when the Slide Remote bluetooth dongle is left in the TiVo. This long-standing and frustrating bug appears to FINALLY be fixed!

1.1.2 The frame rate is improved in Fast Forward. It is either smoother (more frames shown in a set time), faster (more time moved per real-time) or both. Hard to tell, but it is noticeable.

1.1.3 There seems to be a really HUGE performance improvement in the GUIDE. I can page down through the stuff now and it is now very fast! Others have confirmed this.

1.1.4 Reboot/boot speed has improved tremendously. I timed it at exactly 3 minutes and zero seconds! Perhaps double the previous speed. WOW

1.1.5 The second core was enabled for the first time in this release. As expected, it will not make drastic changes in many aspects of perceived overall performance, since the UI is not threaded, and that is what the user interacts with the most. But underlying processes will be faster and significant improvements can be seen with in updates, searching, season pass setup, shifting to live TV, deleting programs, possibly network transfer, and possibly other areas. It might also be wholly or partially responsible for the speedup in guide, FF frame rates, and boot times. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...20#post8865720

1.1.6 The "Daylight Saving" for Arizona was "Inactive" w/ 14.8 and now it reads "Standard Time" w/ 14.9.2.2. This COULD indicate that the problems with the TiVo not ignoring DST for certain areas might be fixed, but we won't know for sure until Spring.

1.1.7 Remote Delete (in MRV) now works for single programs and groups.

1.2 Both/Non-UI Negative
1.2.1 Immediately after the update, the TiVo will complain about "No Data". This is apparently inaccurate and can be ignored.

1.2.2 The ability to press FF a fourth time to resume playing has been removed. It is simply ignored now. (I never use that feature though, so it doesn't bother me much... but I know it will for some people) Some people claim this is an improvement, others are indifferent. It also seems they removed auto-repeat when FF is key is held down.

1.2.3 Some people have noticed some slight font differences, for example, in the guide grid, that can make the window larger than it was before. Others noticed font color changes in a few places. This is not necessarily a negative, but in at least a few places, it might cause dialogs to be mispositioned.

1.2.4 On the System Information screen, "Internal Temperature" was changed to "MBT" (Main Board Temperature?) and the "C" for Celsius was dropped after the Temp reading. Not a big change, but why change something that was easy to understand to something more cryptic?

1.2.5 Select-Play-Select-Pause-Select no longer enables the trick to make the playback timeline to quickly disappear. There is a workaround, but it is ugly.

1.2.6 Some people, including me, are having mysterious tuning problems after the update, such as "Problem with the signal on this cable channel. Trying again." or "This channel is not authorized" on many, or most channels. Power cycling the tuning adapter seems to help, at least for a while. Other people report similar problems even when not using a tuning adapter. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=480253 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8875448

1.2.7 When activating "Kids Zone", the "Please Wait" dialog box is barely visible on one corner of the screen.

1.2.8 Some people are reporting that the "native resolution mode" does not work correctly anymore. Regular SD shows now default to 720p instead of 480i. To view in the native resolution you now have to use the "up" button a couple times to manually switch output to 480i. Sadly, this sticks when you go back to the HD menus. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=479153

1.2.9 In at least the SDUI, but presumably both UI, there are times when returning to a previously partially played/paused video, the TiVo does not remember the location of where you were for playback, instead, starting playback at the beginning. This happens to me rarely, but it has happened once, and I have never seen that behavior before. Other people report it happening far more often. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=480279

1.2.10 The pop-up message during "live" TV, when the TiVo wants a tuner, has been changed. It used to indicate clearly when it needed a tuner for a suggestion recording with the word "suggestion". It is now ambiguous, using the word "want" for suggestion and "need" for a scheduled recording.

1.2.11 The default "Keep At Most" number season pass episodes is now 10 instead of 5 (this is not a true negative, just a change).

2 SDUI
2.1 SDUI Positive
2.1.1 So far, I have not had the tivo animation appear. But not enough data yet to call that bug fixed. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=471010 UPDATE: It just happened to me once, when I pressed the TiVo button. This means it is not completely fixed, but it does seem to be far less frequent.

2.1.2 Searching for programs in the SDUI also seems noticeably faster.

2.1.3 Not enough data on the "Stops responding to remote" bug yet. That could take up to a month for us to really know for sure, but at least one person is reporting the problem seems to have been resolved for them. Need more confirmation. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=456559

2.1.4 It is very likely the "this group is empty" while deleting bug is finally fixed in SDUI. I am almost positive that is the main reason they changed the rapid delete behavior (that and accidental program deletion when it hiccups). More time needed for confirmation.

2.2 SDUI Negative
2.2.1 In SDUI- THEY RUINED the rapid delete. In any group or folder, other than the main "My Shows", you have to wait for a "DELETED" screen to come up and disappear with each deletion before you can proceed to the next. It is extremely irritating because now it will take about 5 to 10 times longer to rapidly delete stuff. Grrrrrrrrrr. I know exactly *WHY* they did it, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it (it was to stop the "this group is empty" bug).

2.2.2 In the SDUI, I can't really detect any performance improvements in the menus and selecting programs and such... but it was always pretty fast.

2.2.3 The reporting of the program size disk space is wrong on the SDUI. They changed it to read "GB" but it appears to be 100 times smaller than the actual space it is using. However, in the HDUI, it is correct. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=480288

2.2.4 When searching for programs, it used to position you in a listing of all programs. Now you are limited to only programs that start exactly with the letters listed.

2.2.5 The green checkmark in listings, indicating that something is to be recorded, is now gone. Need confirmation of this and more description.

2.2.6 A few people have reported new "Please wait" dialogs appearing when they are scrolling up/down using page up/down while looking at programs' descriptions. I cannot reproduce the problem, so it might be related to replaced (non-OEM) hard drives.

2.2.7 Although not necessarily a negative, a change was made to the "Search by Title" function. It no longer asks for categories and types of programs before allowing a search. Now the user is taken directly to the search letter entry field. Personally, I love this change, but many others might hate it. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8886365

3 HDUI
3.1 HDUI Positive
3.1.1 There are some improvements in certain aspects of the HDUI performance. I personally don't notice them, however... mostly because of what I look at and use, and even if you double the speed of something that is slow, it can still far short of expectations of it needing to be quadruple speed, etc. The HDUI still needs drastic performance improvements, and we hope the next major software update might do just that. Some functions, like delete speed or guide speed improvements, are not specific to the HDUI but improvements in the underlying system (see above about dual core).

3.1.2 In HDUI: All the folders will show when you page through the lists, where before folders around s-z would be missing.

3.2 HDUI Negative
(nothing yet)

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The next changelog, for version 20.2, is located at: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8891074
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:24 PM   #2
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the placeholder of the 30/60/90/2:00 etc on the 30 second skip part of the screen is now off center and bleeding into the screen vs remaining in its proper place. i feel lopsided when i view it now
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:06 PM   #3
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I believe that certain actions when using the HDUI are faster. As you described scrolling through the guide is faster (but the HDUI guide and the SDUI guide are the same). It appears there are fewer times the green circle appears and when it does appear it is gone quicker. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of Brentil's benchmarking.

Based on the VMED 15.2 update I think we know that most of the speed improvements in the HDUI will come when a new version of the flash player is deployed that takes advantage of multi-threaded operations.
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:04 PM   #4
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I have a 2TB internal drive and a 2TB external drive. The data usage indicator now appears correct, for the first time. Previously it would give me a triple digit number. Now it reads 20% (I have 130 HD shows recorded).
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:23 PM   #5
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[quote=crxssi;8858900]OK, since TiVo doesn't issue a real changelog, we have to build one ourselves. This is meant to be a changelog from 14.8. Here is my start of the thread, based on a Premiere non-Elite, which I pulled from the "I don't have it" yet thread, with some updates:



3) In SDUI- THEY DID F*-UP the rapid delete, despite what someone else posted. You have to wait for a "DELETED" screen to come up and disappear with each deletion before you can proceed to the next. It is extremely irritating because now it will take about 5 to 10 times longer to rapidly delete stuff. Grrrrrrrrrr. I know exactly *WHY* they did it, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it.

I will repeat that you can delete one program after another without any wait, the programs stay for a little time but you not lock out of doing what you want, again this is in the SDUI mode with 14.9.2.2, this works on all my TPs and my TPXL. All but one was upgraded with 2Tb hard drives. Could it be that your delete folder is full and so two things have to delete, one from your now playing list and one from your delete folder??. I have no way to check on my delete folder as to how full it is, but its seems full.

Somebody should check on this as i am only one person without your delete problem.
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:58 PM   #6
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Re #2.. It's a lie. I got that message too, but my guide data was just fine like it was before the update.

Agreed with you on the rapid deletion. New one is big time suckage. However, the delete popup only happens if the program in question is in a group. If its not in a group, the old delete is still in play. Go figure.

Agreed on #8. The grid guide is way faster, but I normally use the TiVo guide, and there was never a speed issue there.

Also, you still cannot use the HD menus if you have parental controls or KidZone turned on. My wife and I have KidZone on all the time we are not watching something, so we're stuck in the SD menus.
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Here is another one to add...Purely cosmetic and not a huge deal..

Has anyone else noticed the total time of multiple 30-second skips hangs off the edge of the duration bar/box. For example, you press the 30-skip button 8 times, and as a result it shows 4:00 on the duration bar with the number 4 hanging off the edge. Seems like someone forgot to center the output on that line.
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Apparently black screens were fixed, at least under my conditions (the RCN guy on the DSLR forums also posted about this, which semi-confirms it).

And thus far I have also yet to experience the 10 minute SDUI remote hang.
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Here's another change although minor, there is no longer an internal temperature displayed on the system info screen. There is a line that says MBT: follwed by a number, which I think is probably the temperature, but that's a guess on my part. MBT=main board temp?

Overall the SDUI menus do seem a little snappier.

I also got the "no data" message after the initial reboot, but as others have reported, it was a lie.

So far no Tivo cartoon after I press the Tivo button.... Yeah!
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I will repeat that you can delete one program after another without any wait, the programs stay for a little time but you not lock out of doing what you want, again this is in the SDUI mode with 14.9.2.2, this works on all my TPs and my TPXL. All but one was upgraded with 2Tb hard drives. Could it be that your delete folder is full and so two things have to delete, one from your now playing list and one from your delete folder??. I have no way to check on my delete folder as to how full it is, but its seems full.

Somebody should check on this as i am only one person without your delete problem.
Well, I tried it multiple times. No matter how quickly I attempt to press the delete button, it doesn't matter, it pops up a "Deleting" message between each one, forcing me to wait and not remembering any keystrokes

My delete folder has a lot of stuff in it, it is probably full, yes. But it is "always" full- I never delete things from the trash, they just fall off like normal.
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Did the Grid Guide get wider? I don't use it but I do not remember it being fully wide, Time slots did not change still 3, 1/2Hr slots.

"All" was removed from the Sort Categories

"Internal Temperature" was changed to "MBT"
The "C" for Celsius was dropped after the Temp reading

HDUI speed does not seem any different. Guide is slightly quicker.
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Another change I just noticed. When using MRV, it no longer displays the circle with the slash on copy protected programs, it just tells you it can't be copied.
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Well, I tried it multiple times. No matter how quickly I attempt to press the delete button, it doesn't matter, it pops up a "Deleting" message between each one, forcing me to wait and not remembering any keystrokes

My delete folder has a lot of stuff in it, it is probably full, yes. But it is "always" full- I never delete things from the trash, they just fall off like normal.
OK I see the difference, as I have not tried to delete a folder, just a single program, one after another, I will try a delete on a folder to test out what your saying.
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Actually, deleting a whole folder of shows at once is MUCH quicker. I deleted my suggestions folder last night, which had 17 things in it. Was deleted in a matter of 3-4 seconds, where before, it could take as long as 30.

But the "deleting" popup when trying to delete a program with the clear button only now shows up if the program I'm trying to delete is inside a folder at the time I do it. If it's on the "top level", then it doesn't have the popup.
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Did the Grid Guide get wider? I don't use it but I do not remember it being fully wide, Time slots did not change still 3, 1/2Hr slots.
There is something different about the Guide. That's what I noticed when I turned on the TV this morning and checked and I had the new update.
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There is something different about the Guide. That's what I noticed when I turned on the TV this morning and checked and I had the new update.
The guide seems a little more compact and brighter overall. The font inside of menu's seem brighter as well all using HDUI and switching between menus is a little faster. Surfing inside of the "My Show's" menu is still painfully slow using the HDUI.
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There is something different about the Guide. That's what I noticed when I turned on the TV this morning and checked and I had the new update.
The guide is different. It is the same information but fits more of the screen (i.e., its larger).

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The guide seems a little more compact and brighter overall.
The guide is much wider than before.
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There is something different about the Guide. That's what I noticed when I turned on the TV this morning and checked and I had the new update.
I possibly have noticed something has changed with fonts in other places, maybe this is related.

For example, I have some shows that I transfer over from pyTivo, and it no longer displays as many characters of the show titles as before.
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I noticed one place where some of the text seemed significantly brighter than it used to be. This is in the area for phone/network, where you can force a service call. The text on that screen (for me) seems a LOT more "white" than the old version was. A super minor thing, I wasn't going to mention it at all, but I saw a few other people talking about it.
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The guide is much wider than before.
I was refering to the other see thru guide
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I also received the No Data message, though all my guide data was present. What I was missing though was the next several days of the To Do List. The week after this week was there though. A forced connection fixed it.
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The SDUI My Central distortion bug is fixed in this latest release. This is where the screen resolution goes very low def and the TiVo guy gets fat only on the TiVo Central page.
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I noticed one place where some of the text seemed significantly brighter than it used to be. This is in the area for phone/network, where you can force a service call. The text on that screen (for me) seems a LOT more "white" than the old version was. A super minor thing, I wasn't going to mention it at all, but I saw a few other people talking about it.
Yes, it's that way with some other screens too. I first noticed this with the Elite with 14.9.2. it makes it easier to see.
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The guide is different. It is the same information but fits more of the screen (i.e., its larger).

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14.9.2 Guide Pic
Do most people use this guide? I tried that when I first got TiVos but then switched to the other guide since it shows much more info and is faster. It's been about ten years since I've used that guide. Is there still a huge difference in speed between the two.
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Do most people use this guide? I tried that when I first got TiVos but then switched to the other guide since it shows much more info and is faster. It's been about ten years since I've used that guide. Is there still a huge difference in speed between the two.
I always wondered about that myself. The guide with pictures above always struck me as existing because folks couldn't handle the more traditional "TiVo Guide".

When I say traditional, I remember when TiVo's didn't have the grid guide. The TiVo fans at the time (of which I was one) thought it was the beginning of the dumbing down of the interface. I never use that blue grid guide. It's TiVo guide or bust for me.
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When it pops up with the message saying:

"The tuner you are not watching will change the channel at 6:00 to record 'Action News'" (or whatever the wording is)

The text for the time and show title are now yellow instead of white.

At least Tivo has their priorities straight. I know everyone was complaining about that one!
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Reported for 14.9.2 and persisting in 14.9.2.2:

"Native mode" broken for 480i and 480p material
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OK I see the difference, as I have not tried to delete a folder, just a single program, one after another, I will try a delete on a folder to test out what your saying.
No, that is not what I was saying. I was trying to rapidly delete individual programs, not folders. Not sure how you read anything about deleting folders in my last post
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Old 12-16-2011, 04:57 PM   #30
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But the "deleting" popup when trying to delete a program with the clear button only now shows up if the program I'm trying to delete is inside a folder at the time I do it. If it's on the "top level", then it doesn't have the popup.
THAT could be the difference. I have been deleting things in the "Suggestions" folder, not the top folder. I will try to confirm.

UPDATE: Confirmed. It only prevents rapid deletion while inside ANY group or ANY folder. Of course, that is likely the only time one would need rapid deletion. It does not display the "Deleting" message when in "My Shows" main directory. This is further proof that the reason they did this was to finally address the "this group is empty" bug.

Will update my notes/first post
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