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Old 10-30-2011, 11:23 PM   #3241
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I have noticed that my shows have stopped grouping when pushing. After researching it a bit, I found that theTVDB is now changing all the zap2it ID #'s from the SH# to the EP# that zap2it has on their webpage.

Would this be the reason?
Somebody decided that theTVDB was supposed to be using the EP# and did a mass update.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:28 PM   #3242
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Somebody decided that theTVDB was supposed to be using the EP# and did a mass update.
Right I get that. My question is this why the shows are no longer grouping for me?
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Right I get that. My question is this why the shows are no longer grouping for me?
That I don't know unless the TiVo treats the EP prefix differently.

What I do know is the mass update was made by an administrator based on the input of one user, aptly named "fiasco". I have expressed my displeasure by a posting in the thread on the tvDB forum that led to it.
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Where exactly on the zap2it website do you see the series ID?
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That I don't know unless the TiVo treats the EP prefix differently.

What I do know is the mass update was made by an administrator based on the input of one user, aptly named "fiasco". I have expressed my displeasure by a posting in the thread on the tvDB forum that led to it.
That thread is here:
http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7819
for those who want to follow the gory details.

Going to be interesting to see how the theTVDB.com operators respond to the complaint. It appears that tivo metadata still uses the SH numbers, or will this change for series that originate after the change? Or is the SH number only retained on YOUR tivo if it established the ID number for a group PRIOR to the zap2it change? (i.e., if you start a group now, will it use the EP number?)
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Where exactly on the zap2it website do you see the series ID?
If there is a simple answer to this, I don't know it. I did some searching and all I came up with was the (very old) post on this forum:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...25#post5740125

It appears this info is still correct, however. I went to zap2it.com and brought up the data for an episode of hawaii-five-0. The url included:

EP012800630031

If you apply the rule suggested by the linked post (remove the last four numerals), you get: EP01280063

If you strip the leading zero this is a 7-digit number. The pyTivo wiki says for seriesId:
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Usually starts with "SH" and followed by 6-8 digits
Thus the question still remains: How many of the leading zeros do you strip from the EP number to get the SH number TiVo will like? It would be nice if the answer is: "all of them".

I'm still curious where TiVo gets the SH numbers?
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:56 PM   #3248
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Grouping of .tivo files is done based on their internal seriesIds. If they're not grouping, it's because the seriesId record has expired, or was never present.
Do you mean by that statement that even if you have recorded items within your Tivo to a "valid show", once that show is no longer in the listing data, you can no longer group to it?

For instance, "A Night At the Movies" is currently hosted on TCM. I'm recording one tonight on each Tivo to get it's SHxxxxx in each Tivo. Then I plan on doing PULLs of various recordings I have to taht SHxxxx number to group. I will then delete the originally recorded episode.

If in a few months that show is nowhere in sight within the listing, will I be able to PULL new content into that group?

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If there is a simple answer to this, I don't know it. I did some searching and all I came up with was the (very old) post on this forum:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...25#post5740125

It appears this info is still correct, however. I went to zap2it.com and brought up the data for an episode of hawaii-five-0. The url included:

EP012800630031

If you apply the rule suggested by the linked post (remove the last four numerals), you get: EP01280063

If you strip the leading zero this is a 7-digit number. The pyTivo wiki says for seriesId:


Thus the question still remains: How many of the leading zeros do you strip from the EP number to get the SH number TiVo will like? It would be nice if the answer is: "all of them".

I'm still curious where TiVo gets the SH numbers?
The fact that the EP number has four additional digits makes it even more likely that this is an episode ID and that SH is still the correct prefix for a series ID. Although it appears that the URL for the general show data is also EP. So now the questions become - is this a recent change in zap2it, is it internal only, is the SH prefix added by TiVo or is it in the data that TiVo gets from Tribune?

Grimm, which premiered on Friday, got an SH series ID on the TIVo. I would be shocked if TiVo ever started using the EP prefix for series ID. If you read the entire thread, initially Mr. fiasco was complaining about missing series IDs. Then he didn't like the fact that the SH ids didn't match what he was seeing on zap2it and convinced the admin that EP was the correct prefix.

Another thing about this change is that there was NO announcement of it in the announcements section of the tvDB forum.

This is probably not the proper thread for this discussion. Maybe some TCF admin should start a new thread somewhere and move the relevant posts.

There are two things relevant to this thread:

1. I pushed two episodes of a series to my THD and they are grouped together. However, the series ID is neither SH nor EP. It is BS. No, really. And the numeric part bears no resemblance to anything I see on tvDB.

2. A pull gets them in the correct group if the metadata has an SH series ID and the TiVo recognizes it or it is a Premiere. On the THD, I'm seeing some ..odd.. behavior on groupings for pulls.
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There are two things relevant to this thread:

1. I pushed two episodes of a series to my THD and they are grouped together. However, the series ID is neither SH nor EP. It is BS. No, really. And the numeric part bears no resemblance to anything I see on tvDB.

2. A pull gets them in the correct group if the metadata has an SH series ID and the TiVo recognizes it or it is a Premiere. On the THD, I'm seeing some ..odd.. behavior on groupings for pulls.
So on your push you had only a number and no SH or EP? If so their proposal of using only the number would work since grouping is my main intention.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:39 PM   #3251
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So on your push you had only a number and no SH or EP? If so their proposal of using only the number would work since grouping is my main intention.
FWIW, years ago I did PUSH grouping and indeed I could make up anything I wanted to. I think one of my first seriesId's was "TestID" and things grouped to it perfectly fine (on a push). Of course, not a Pull. This was on an old S2 (540), back in the 2008 timeframe.

I didn't like how little metadata was coming through on a Push, so I started doing Pull's instead. Limits my grouping capability, but gets more metadata. I've long since forgotten the seriesId I used back then, so I can't get any more files into that group. Thus my question above- if I get a new one for Pull's, in three years can I continue adding to it even if the original show is long-since-dead, or will I be out of luck then too?

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So on your push you had only a number and no SH or EP? If so their proposal of using only the number would work since grouping is my main intention.
It was "BS" followed by numbers. And it doesn't appear to me that it is coming from tvDB.

Example:

BS589177614 Revenge
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It was "BS" followed by numbers. And it doesn't appear to me that it is coming from tvDB.

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BS589177614 Revenge
It isn't coming from theTVDB. Using metagenerator 3 you can see theTVDB is returning EP01419525 for Revenge.
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It isn't coming from theTVDB. Using metagenerator 3 you can see theTVDB is returning EP01419525 for Revenge.
Yes, I knew that. It also doesn't look like anything else in the theTVDB record.
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Do you mean by that statement that even if you have recorded items within your Tivo to a "valid show", once that show is no longer in the listing data, you can no longer group to it?
I'd think that the TiVo would keep the cached seriesIds for any recordings that were still on the drive, but I wouldn't swear to that. I have seen old recordings lose some of their metadata IIRC.
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I'd think that the TiVo would keep the cached seriesIds for any recordings that were still on the drive, but I wouldn't swear to that. I have seen old recordings lose some of their metadata IIRC.
Yea, I realized yesterday that I could just pull the seriesId values on that Tivo, try to PULL something else with that same ID, and see if it still groups. I know for a fact that that ID value is no longer on the air (for several years now).

When I have a chance to test, I'll report back.

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I'd think that the TiVo would keep the cached seriesIds for any recordings that were still on the drive, but I wouldn't swear to that. I have seen old recordings lose some of their metadata IIRC.
My old S2 had Barney Miller episodes on it since 2007. I haven't seen them in the guide since then. Now that I've moved them the folder on my TivoHD doesn't have a title. Just the number of episodes in the folder. I suspect you're correct...
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I have added code to my copy of pyTiVoMetaThis that will hopefully handle the series ID issue in theTVDB whether they leave them EP, change to all numeric, or change back to SH.

The code I added is:

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                        if ( tvTag == 'seriesId' ):
                                if ( text.startswith('EP') ):
                                        text = text.lstrip('EP') # strip off leading 'EP' if there is one
                                if (len(text) == 10):
                                        if ( text.startswith('SH00') ):
                                                text = text.lstrip('SH00') # for 'SH00nnnnnn'
                                if ( str(text).isdigit() ): # if remaining is numeric
                                        textint = int(text)
                                        if ( textint <= 1026171 ): # not 8 digit format (unknown if this upper bound is correct)
                                                text = text.lstrip('0') # strip leading zeros
                                                if ( textint < 1000000 ): # must be at least 6 digits
                                                        text = text.zfill(6)
                                        text = "SH" + text # add leading 'SH' to numeric ID
I added it after:
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                        if ( tvTag == 'time' ):
                                text = 'time: OAD'
Note: In Python, leading spaces in the code are significant.

While it appears to work correctly and should handle any of the three formats they are considering, I can't guarantee that it's the best way to do it. I haven't written any code in years and have never done any Python.

I also don't know if the upper bound for less than 8-digit ids is correct nor if there are exceptions.
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I have added code to my copy of pyTiVoMetaThis that will hopefully handle the series ID issue in theTVDB whether they leave them EP, change to all numeric, or change back to SH.
.............While it appears to work correctly and should handle any of the three formats they are considering, I can't guarantee that it's the best way to do it. I haven't written any code in years and have never done any Python.
......
So your assuming that:

1. All theTVDB.com ID's are two letters ("SH" or "EP") followed by 8 digits.
2. ID's that start with "SH" and 2 leading zeros, should be converted to "SH" followed by 6 digits (i.e., removing the 2 leading zeros)

Is that correct? (Ignoring the "upper limit" issue for now.)
If so, how did you deduce this from that thread in theTVDB forum? It wasn't clear to me that they had finalized on anything.

Also, I'm wondering whether the case of "EP" followed by two leading zeros shouldn't receive the same treatment as "SH" followed by two leading zeros?
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So your assuming that:

1. All theTVDB.com ID's are two letters ("SH" or "EP") followed by 8 digits.
No, some of them are still the old style SH[6 or 8 digits leading 0 filled, or 7 digits no leading 0] .

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2. ID's that start with "SH" and 2 leading zeros, should be converted to "SH" followed by 6 digits (i.e., removing the 2 leading zeros)

Is that correct? (Ignoring the "upper limit" issue for now.)
If so, how did you deduce this from that thread in theTVDB forum? It wasn't clear to me that they had finalized on anything.

Also, I'm wondering whether the case of "EP" followed by two leading zeros shouldn't receive the same treatment as "SH" followed by two leading zeros?
Let me see if I can explain it in English even though I loathe Cobol. The following reflects code changes that I haven't yet posted

A leading EP will be removed. If the seriesId is 10 characters long and begins with SH00, that will be removed. If it doesn't begin with either of those, it will be taken as is. Blast it, just realized this won't handle the case of them changing one that is SH followed by 7 digits by adding a loading 0. I'll just have to get to the numeric part and recreate it.

If what remains is numeric, that is when the limits come in. If the value is <= the upper limit, leading zeros will be removed. If the value is also < 1000000(note 1), it will be leading zero filled to 6 digits. We now have a string that is 6,7, or 8 digits long. An SH will be added to the beginning of this string.

I am assuming that if the ID in theTVDB is not of the form EPn, SHn(note 2) or n, it is correct or uncorrectable. Although maybe I need to revisit the code and not remove the EP or SH if the remainder is not numeric, but theoretically that shouldn't happen. I am also assuming that if the numeric portion has a value greater than the upper limit, it will have a leading 0 if there is supposed to be one.

My reading of the discussion at theTVDB forum is that they are looking at 3 options: Leaving things as they are now, going back to the SH form or going to a strictly numeric form. I think my code will handle any of those or a mixture, even if they return to the SH form but leading zero fill it to 8 digits.

note 1. I had error in the code that I have corrected.

note 2. Logic error. Some IDs that begin SH0 may not be correct. Corrected code in next post.
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new code:

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                        if ( tvTag == 'seriesId' ):
                                texttmp = text
                                if ( texttmp.startswith('EP') ):
                                        texttmp = texttmp.lstrip('EP') # strip off leading 'EP' if there is one
                                if ( texttmp.startswith('SH') ) :
                                        texttmp = texttmp.lstrip('SH') # same for SH
                                if ( str(texttmp).isdigit() ): # if remaining is numeric
                                        textint = int(texttmp)
                                        if ( textint <= 1026171 ): # not 8 digit format (unknown if this upper bound is correct)
                                                texttmp = texttmp.lstrip('0') # strip leading zeros
                                                if ( textint < 1000000 ): # must be at least 6 digits
                                                        texttmp = texttmp.zfill(6)
                                        
                                        text = "SH" + texttmp # add leading 'SH' to numeric ID

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To summarize, I made the following assumptions with the latest version:

1. If the seriesId obtained from theTVDB is not numeric and it doesn't begin with EP or SH, it can't be fixed.

2. If the portion after the EP or SH is not numeric, it can't be fixed.

3. If the numeric portion is < 1000000, the correct format is SH followed by 6 digits.

4. If the numeric portion is >= 1000000 and <= 1026171, the correct format is SH followed by 7 digits.

5. If the numeric portion is > 1026171, the correct format is SH followed by the numeric string as it was obtained from theTVDB.

6. Any seriesId that can't be fixed should be kept as is.
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.......4. If the numeric portion is >= 1000000 and <= 1026171, the correct format is SH followed by 7 digits.
..........
Where does this number come from? I searched both this thread and the one on theTVDB.com forum and the only place I found "1026171" was the three recent posts by you in this thread. (?)

I understand you said you're not sure about this limit, but what is the basis for saying there is such a limit?
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Where does this number come from? I searched both this thread and the one on theTVDB.com forum and the only place I found "1026171" was the three recent posts by you in this thread. (?)

I understand you said you're not sure about this limit, but what is the basis for saying there is such a limit?
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What would be nice is if we could get someone at theTVDB to execute SQL something like:

Select max(zap2itid) from whatevertableitsin where zap2itid like 'SH1%';

Especially if they could do it on a copy of the DB made prior to the mass update.
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What would be nice is if we could get someone at theTVDB to execute SQL something like:

Select max(zap2itid) from whatevertableitsin where zap2itid like 'SH1%';

Especially if they could do it on a copy of the DB made prior to the mass update.
What would really be nice is if someone at TiVo would spend a paragraph or two (or a code snippet) to explain this.... but that's pie in the sky.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:20 AM   #3268
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Where does this number come from? I searched both this thread and the one on theTVDB.com forum and the only place I found "1026171" was the three recent posts by you in this thread. (?)

I understand you said you're not sure about this limit, but what is the basis for saying there is such a limit?
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Yep, I had figured this out just before you posted, by reading through the entire thread on theTVDB.com forum and viewing the linked text file. For the benefit of others, the last item in this file, which is sorted by ascending ID number, is a show with SH1026171. Thus the file is a proof of existence of 7-digit SH numbers at least that high. And we also have specific examples of SH numbers greater than that with a leading zero and 8 digits, which you and I have verified with our tivo TTG transfers. What a pain this is. I hope they don't plan to change this very often.
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:00 PM   #3269
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Huhh ??

I was using Metagenerator 3 to look at ID's returned by theTVDB.com, trying to see if I could push the 7-digit SH number limit higher than SH102671. I found "Breaking Bad" returning "SH01009396", which is 8-digits and BELOW the limit.

"Breaking Bad" is also on the list linked a few posts above by lpwcomp, but with the ID = "SH1009396", i.e., WITHOUT the leading zero.

Is there actually any solid info regarding this issue?
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:47 PM   #3270
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Does anyone have an episode of Breaking Bad that they actually recorded on their computer?


The following paragraph is all IMHO:

This is not TiVo's fault. I suspect they used what they got from TMS. TMS probably switched to 7 digits for a while and has now switched to 8. For existing series, TiVo is mapping the eight digit ids back to what they initially got so that episodes remain grouped together. Can you imagine the screams from the user community if they didn't do this?

BTW, during the discussion on theTVDB forum, it came out that TMS is still providing the SH seriesId. That both the SH and EP are available.
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