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Old 10-11-2011, 06:26 PM   #1
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"VigLink" is molesting our posts

See here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb....php?p=8741787

Our posts are being modified with crappy, spammy links. This is gross. Very, very bad form. I'm sure the site owners would never authorize something as scummy/scammy as this?

Please fix this.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:31 PM   #2
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I was shocked to see one of my posts had been altered to make it appear that I was spamming the forum with an eBay link. I'd typed the word Netflix and this VigLink thing changed it to a link without my approval or consent.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:38 PM   #3
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We're using VigLink at AVS too (as are many other forums these days). The Netflix link error was submitted to them. It's not always perfect.

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Old 10-11-2011, 06:50 PM   #4
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What do you mean by error? The link it inserted should be different? Or that it inserted a link into our posts at all? It goes without saying we don't want our posts edited with spammy links we didn't insert ourselves. You can put ads on the site wherever you deem appropriate, but please don't have spam robots edit our posts. That's just sleazy.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:39 PM   #5
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Ha! It VigLink'd my post (above).

Really, is this the future of this forum? Spambots molesting our posts?
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:41 PM   #6
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Fofer,

We are very sorry that we made a mistake with the link that you referenced in your post. We strive for perfection in creating links that are useful to forum readers and to ensure that the links are accurate, but we do make mistakes occasionally. If you would like to opt-out of VigLink's links, you can Google Viglink optout, and the first result will contain an optout link.

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Old 10-11-2011, 08:06 PM   #7
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It's not that I don't want to see VigiLink links; I can easily block the scripts in my browser.

It's that I don't want the posts that I make, to be edited to include links that I didn't put there myself. That's poor form. It's misleading and scummy.

I put links in my posts myself when they are helpful to the reader, links to referenced software, how-to's, etc. I don't need (nor want) any automatic software editing the content I create, by adding in spammy links for others to see, thinking I put them there myself.

Will "opting out" mean my posts will never be molested by VigLink? Or does it just prevent me from seeing these unwanted links in posts from other people?
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:21 PM   #8
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:40 PM   #9
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Hi everybody.

VigLink was recently implemented at TCF, but it should only be "active" for visitors ("guests"). I verified this setting in the forums is correct, but for some reason it's still showing for me, and obviously for all of you, regardless of whether one is logged in, TC Club member, and so on.

So, I'm going to investigate this and work with our ad team to see what's up. I'm not sure at this point if this is a forum issue, or something specific to how VigLink works. I'm on it though, and will update when I know more.

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Old 10-11-2011, 11:01 PM   #10
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I forget who it was, but some site used a similar service but that service double-underlined everything. At least it made it obvious what was going on compared to other possible links, but it was also horrendous in that every one of them created a hover pop-up, too.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:18 PM   #11
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VigLink was recently implemented at TCF,
Thanks, Peter. If the posts that we write will be edited by ad software so they look different to other forum visitors (club members or guests, doesn't matter) please let us know. The way it is implemented right now means it can change the tone and context of our communication and that's a creepy precedent. If you absolutely, positively need to implement this to make money, then please do the classy thing and make the fake links look different or something...
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:34 AM   #12
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...and if you can't change the Viglink links to be something different than a "normal" link, can you at least give us an idea of what words will be Viglinked so that we can think twice before including them in our posts? There might be some things that I would rather not refer to if I know that it will appear to anyone (guests, members, etc.) that read my posts.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:31 AM   #13
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We've resolved the issue of VigLink links showing up for logged in members, at least as far as I can tell in my tests.

We're looking into whether the appearance of the links can be changed to make them stand out more/look different.

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Old 10-13-2011, 12:01 PM   #14
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I forget who it was, but some site used a similar service but that service double-underlined everything. At least it made it obvious what was going on compared to other possible links, but it was also horrendous in that every one of them created a hover pop-up, too.
That was either intelliTXT.com or kontera.com. Both gross, and widely reviled on the web. I thought these sorts of strategies went away with X10.com and pop-unders? I'm reminded of tynt.com, which messes with your clipboard when you copy-paste text from certain websites. It's the worst.

I'm using this javascript blocker (mentioned here) to block all three.

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Old 10-13-2011, 12:03 PM   #15
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We've resolved the issue of VigLink links showing up for logged in members, at least as far as I can tell in my tests.

We're looking into whether the appearance of the links can be changed to make them stand out more/look different.

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We appreciate your continued attention and work on this, Peter. It's appreciated. Thanks for keeping us updated.

I'll reiterate, ideally our posts wouldn't be molested on anyone's display, but you do what you gotta do. And distinguishing these "fake" ad links from the real links we've put in our posts ourselves would be a classier approach.

Thanks again.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:06 PM   #16
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f you would like to opt-out of VigLink's links, you can Google Viglink optout, and the first result will contain an optout link.
Can you explain more specifically what "opting out" does?

Does it simply prevent me from seeing VigLink's fake ad links, in content I read on the web?

Or does it protect my posts (that others will read) from being molested, with fake ad links inserted that I, myself, won't see?
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:56 PM   #17
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Can you explain more specifically what "opting out" does?

Does it simply prevent me from seeing VigLink's fake ad links, in content I read on the web?

Or does it protect my posts (that others will read) from being molested, with fake ad links inserted that I, myself, won't see?
Think about what would be required of an opt-out system that could track whether your posts should be modified or not. It would require support everywhere you might make a post.

I'm certain the opt-out simply changes how links look to you, "you" being from the browser and machine from which you opted out... when you visit a viglink-enabled site, you won't see links created by viglink because there'll be a cookie in your browser telling viglink not to do it.
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Okay, yeah, I was pretty sure of that, but wanted the distinction to be clear for anyone following along here.

FWIW, I think VigLink's methods are sleazy. Editing the content of someone's posts (yes, inserted links count as content) as a way to generate revenue is poor form.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:12 AM   #19
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Sorry for bumping an old thread...

But I've noticed that when I click on a link on Forum Runner it goes through Viglink. Is TCF doing this, or Forum Runner? And how do I make it stop?
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:51 PM   #21
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TCF is doing it. The forum software is editing our posts after we make them, and inserting this VigLink crap. Hence the title of this thread...

Apparently these spammy links and redirects shouldn't affect logged-in users, only guests (as we learned in this thread.) Maybe that's not happening with Forum Runner?

Yeesh. What a mess.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:59 PM   #22
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I thought the original problem was with certain key words it would turn them into links. I'm not seeing that - I'm seeing links that people put in posts go through viglink first before it goes to the original destination.

I don't like being redirected through *something*.... I suppose it's just tracking what I click on - but it's creepy and icky.

Sorta like the thief rummaging through my underwear drawer.
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I'm seeing it when viewing TCF in Mobile Safari as well.
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I saw this thread earlier when I posted my thread about slow posting, and was going to come post about the Forum Runner problem, too. It's particularly annoying since in Forum Runner you don't have the ability to mouse over a link and see that it's going to send you through VigLink.
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I'm seeing it when viewing TCF in Mobile Safari as well.
Not only this, but my mobile Safari browser has been stopped numerous times in it's tracts by VigLink's links hanging. I have to go back to the previous page, reload, then try the link again.
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It's particularly annoying with YouTube links in forum runner. Without viglink in the way, a YouTube link would just open the YouTube app. With viglink, however, the link opens a browser to navigate to viglink, then one it processes, it redirects to YouTube, and my YouTube app finally opens. When I'm done, and hit my back button, it takes me back to viglink, not back to the forum.
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I saw this thread earlier when I posted my thread about slow posting, and was going to come post about the Forum Runner problem, too. It's particularly annoying since in Forum Runner you don't have the ability to mouse over a link and see that it's going to send you through VigLink.
Is this why my replies to posts are taking forever to go through? I was just coming in here to complain about it. It's been going on for a few days now. Makes using this place a pain...
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Hey, I have noticed the slow replies too! Like 30-45 seconds for them to go through. Something's rotten!
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Is this why my replies to posts are taking forever to go through? I was just coming in here to complain about it. It's been going on for a few days now. Makes using this place a pain...
I don't think viglink is at fault for the slow posting. It's a separate issue.
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I don't think viglink is at fault for the slow posting. It's a separate issue.
Well something's sure messed up. Some of my posts are timing out and I'm starting to get error messages now, as below:



Let's see how long it takes this post to actually go through. Starting... Now.
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