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Old 03-30-2011, 02:24 PM   #121
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Thanks for replying. I did the same procedure that bobby4919
desribed in the text I quoted:

Ran:
1) jmfs to copy the drive
2) jmfs to expand it
3) winmfs to supersize it


And I got the same results he did:

On boot up in Tivo i got the error saying my external storage was missing. I told Tivo to go ahead and separate from the external storage. Several hours later Tivo finished booting. All my shows are there, the cable cards are paired, but i've only got 157 hours on a 2TB drive.

I followed the directions in the first post, under "Updated 2/11/2011."

I think the problem may be that my source drive is a copy-of-a-copy.
The problem is you probably have 16 partitions defined on the drive. JMFS ALWAYS adds a new partition so #17 is seen as an external and THD won't go any further.

You will have to use the stock drive as the source.

You can verify this using WINMFS and under the MSINFO is a tab that says partition info. The stock drive should have 13 partitions. The copy of a copy drive it probably already has 16 partitions.

I would be curious as what you find.....
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:59 PM   #122
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The problem is you probably have 16 partitions defined on the drive. JMFS ALWAYS adds a new partition so #17 is seen as an external and THD won't go any further.

You will have to use the stock drive as the source.

You can verify this using WINMFS and under the MSINFO is a tab that says partition info. The stock drive should have 13 partitions. The copy of a copy drive it probably already has 16 partitions.

I would be curious as what you find.....
As Ed said to Johnny, you are correct, sir!

My virgin drive:


Mfsinfo (Drive 5)

Boot Page
Boot Page: root=/dev/hda7
Active Boot Partition: 6 Active Root Partition: 7
Backup Boot Partition: 3 Backup Root Partition: 4

MFS Super Header
state=0 magic=ebbafeed
devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13
zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=310728704

Zone Maps
Z0: type=0
map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=6 next_backup_map_start=589816
zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=baeca436 logstamp=16044 num_bitmap=1
Z1: type=2
map_start=263266 map_size=6 backup_map_start=589816
next_map_start=263272 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589782
zone_first=589824 zone_last=138215423 zone_size=137625600 min(chunk)=20480
free=133222400 checksum=a834afd6 logstamp=16073 num_bitmap=14
Z2: type=1
map_start=263272 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589782
next_map_start=138219520 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=138809343
zone_first=263306 zone_last=589777 zone_size=326472 min(chunk)=8
free=259128 checksum=2561b06a logstamp=16073 num_bitmap=17
Z3: type=0
map_start=138219520 map_size=1 backup_map_start=138809343
next_map_start=138481665 next_map_size=10 next_backup_map_start=138809333
zone_first=138219521 zone_last=138481664 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=700f559a logstamp=16044 num_bitmap=1
Z4: type=2
map_start=138481665 map_size=10 backup_map_start=138809333
next_map_start=138481675 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=138809299
zone_first=138809344 zone_last=310718463 zone_size=171909120 min(chunk)=20480
free=166871040 checksum=28929678 logstamp=16073 num_bitmap=15
Z5: type=1
map_start=138481675 map_size=34 backup_map_start=138809299
next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=-6148914691236517206
zone_first=138481709 zone_last=138809292 zone_size=327584 min(chunk)=8
free=319968 checksum=8eaf3e04 logstamp=16044 num_bitmap=17

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@171920054 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@171920055 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@171928247 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@172452535 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@172452536 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@172460728 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@172985016 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@173247160 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@173771448 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@174951096 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@174361272 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)

Total SA SD Hours: 165 Total DTV SD Hours: 144 97 % Free
Software: 8.1.7c2-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160

And the 1 TB drive from which I upgraded to 2TB:

Mfsinfo (Drive 5)

Boot Page
Boot Page: root=/dev/hda7
Active Boot Partition: 6 Active Root Partition: 7
Backup Boot Partition: 3 Backup Root Partition: 4

MFS Super Header
state=0 magic=ebbafeed
devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13 /dev/hda14 /dev/hda15
zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=1951670272

Zone Maps
Z0: type=0
map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=6 next_backup_map_start=589816
zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=28fda873 logstamp=7469630 num_bitmap=1
Z1: type=2
map_start=263266 map_size=6 backup_map_start=589816
next_map_start=263272 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589782
zone_first=589824 zone_last=138215423 zone_size=137625600 min(chunk)=20480
free=2928640 checksum=76ea276a logstamp=7497632 num_bitmap=14
Z2: type=1
map_start=263272 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589782
next_map_start=138219520 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=138809343
zone_first=263306 zone_last=589777 zone_size=326472 min(chunk)=8
free=71080 checksum=12518a4f logstamp=7497652 num_bitmap=17
Z3: type=0
map_start=138219520 map_size=1 backup_map_start=138809343
next_map_start=138481665 next_map_size=10 next_backup_map_start=138809333
zone_first=138219521 zone_last=138481664 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
free=262144 checksum=cb846b3 logstamp=7469630 num_bitmap=1
Z4: type=2
map_start=138481665 map_size=10 backup_map_start=138809333
next_map_start=138481675 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=138809299
zone_first=138809344 zone_last=310718463 zone_size=171909120 min(chunk)=20480
free=4546560 checksum=567ca3ff logstamp=7497545 num_bitmap=15
Z5: type=1
map_start=138481675 map_size=34 backup_map_start=138809299
next_map_start=310728704 next_map_size=67 next_backup_map_start=310730685
zone_first=138481709 zone_last=138809292 zone_size=327584 min(chunk)=8
free=312240 checksum=6e2004a7 logstamp=7497584 num_bitmap=17
Z6: type=2
map_start=310728704 map_size=67 backup_map_start=310730685
next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=0
zone_first=310730752 zone_last=1951670271 zone_size=1640939520 min(chunk)=20480
free=23183360 checksum=9c0b2c0c logstamp=7497632 num_bitmap=18

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640939520@312583856 ( 782.5G)
16 Apple_Free Extra 1791@1953523376( 895.5K)

Total SA SD Hours: 1040 Total DTV SD Hours: 908 2 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160


So, I think I'll leave it at that. I can live with 1TB of storage, especially if the alternative is to try dealing with Comcast to get their CableCARD paired to my TiVo again.

Thanks for all of your help! I consider this effort a practice run for upgrading my daughters' Premiere TiVos when the time comes!
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Old 03-31-2011, 12:56 AM   #123
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Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640939520@312583856 ( 782.5G)
16 Apple_Free Extra 1791@1953523376( 895.5K)

Total SA SD Hours: 1040 Total DTV SD Hours: 908 2 % Free
Software: 11.0k-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160


So, I think I'll leave it at that. I can live with 1TB of storage, especially if the alternative is to try dealing with Comcast to get their CableCARD paired to my TiVo again.

Thanks for all of your help! I consider this effort a practice run for upgrading my daughters' Premiere TiVos when the time comes!
That dam* Apple_Free Extra shows as a partition.

You didn't pair the Tivo using the stock drive?? Shame on you....

Depending on where you are located it could be easy or a royal pain. Last time I did it took CC 5 minutes and it worked first try. Course it helps that I now know what to look for on the Cable Card screens in the THD.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:49 PM   #124
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Happy to report that I was able to upgrade my Tivo HD "regular" model (not XL) from a previously upgraded 1TB drive to a nice new 2TB drive!!!!! I now have 318 hours of HD recording!!!!! Thanks everyone .
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:20 PM   #125
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Another Success!

I was able to successfully upgrade a TiVo HD using a 2TB WD20EVDS (Build Date 11/04/2010) following the instructions listed in the first post of this thread.

I placed the original 160GB TiVo hard drive in the unit and allowed it to update to 11.0k. I then did a “Clear & Delete Everything”. I used JMFS 1.04 to both copy and expand the 2TB drive, then I used WinMFS to supersize it, giving me 318 hours of HD recording space.

The whole process was very smooth and a big “thanks” to all who contributed here, especially comer. I DID NOT run wdidle3 on the WD20EVDS. The drive booted up properly upon re-installation, and is able to soft reboot with no issues or hang-ups.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:47 PM   #126
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Reporting success here as well using jmfs to copy a 160GB drive to a 2TB WD20EARS.

After it copied for 2 hours. I ran winmfs to supersize it. Also the copying time allowed me to blow out the dust bunnies. Used HDDScan to set the AAM to 128.

So far, so good
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:59 PM   #127
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Oops. Thanks alyssa. (It's been too long since I've checked back in.)
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:30 AM   #128
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Program Info About to Run Out

First off, thanks to all for this thread. I have a Tivo HD with a 1 TB drive that had been upgraded using winmfs with supersize. Using this tool, I was able to upgrade to a 2 TB WD with no problems. Did not have to re-supersize to get the 318 HD hours.

However, since then, I get a message once a week that my program info is about to run out. I don't remember exactly when I did the upgrade, but it was about the first week of April. About Wed. Apr 13, I got a message that my program info only went to Wed. Apr 20. However, the info is all there, the To Do list goes out almost 2 weeks - all appears fine. I did a soft reboot and the message went away. However, this past Wed. the message popped up again saying the data would run out on Wed. Apr. 27. However, once again, all is well when I look.

I don't want to have to reboot once a week. Any ideas on how to fix this? I am assuming it is related to the upgrade because I have had zero issues before now. But yet I can't believe it really is caused by the upgrade.

Additional info: I had to have the cable card re-paired after the upgrade. Also, I have TWC with a tuning adapter, if that means anything. It is working fine.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:41 AM   #129
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First off, thanks to all for this thread. I have a Tivo HD with a 1 TB drive that had been upgraded using winmfs with supersize. Using this tool, I was able to upgrade to a 2 TB WD with no problems. Did not have to re-supersize to get the 318 HD hours.

However, since then, I get a message once a week that my program info is about to run out. I don't remember exactly when I did the upgrade, but it was about the first week of April. About Wed. Apr 13, I got a message that my program info only went to Wed. Apr 20. However, the info is all there, the To Do list goes out almost 2 weeks - all appears fine. I did a soft reboot and the message went away. However, this past Wed. the message popped up again saying the data would run out on Wed. Apr. 27. However, once again, all is well when I look.

I don't want to have to reboot once a week. Any ideas on how to fix this? I am assuming it is related to the upgrade because I have had zero issues before now. But yet I can't believe it really is caused by the upgrade.

Additional info: I had to have the cable card re-paired after the upgrade. Also, I have TWC with a tuning adapter, if that means anything. It is working fine.
I don't think the error message has anything to do with the upgrade. I've seen others complain about the same thing on other threads. My WAG is that it has something to do with your tuning adapter/setup. You might do a bit of searching and if you can't find something similar go ahead and post in the appropriate thread. Let us know how it goes though!
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Old 04-23-2011, 03:49 PM   #130
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I don't think the error message has anything to do with the upgrade. I've seen others complain about the same thing on other threads. My WAG is that it has something to do with your tuning adapter/setup. You might do a bit of searching and if you can't find something similar go ahead and post in the appropriate thread. Let us know how it goes though!
Yes, I am skeptical it has anything to do with the upgrade.

I found a reference to just let the Tivo pass the day that it says it will run out of data and the message clears. I was thinking of doing this anyway, so that's what I will do for now.

If I can remember that far, I will post the results.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:36 PM   #131
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My 2TB Upgrade Saga

I've been fighting an "upgrade" battle over the last few days, with an interesting result after I finally got the process finished last night.

Setup - TiVoHD with 160 gig stock drive, and 500 gig MyDVR Expander attached.
Symptoms - Turn on TV to find TiVo "frozen" on live tv. Changing channels would fix this issue. Some recordings were truncated, or randomly stopped recording.
Upgrade Method - After reading about the success of upgrading a TiVoHD with a 2TB drive using the JMFS method, I purchased a WD20EARS.

What I thought would be a simple process quickly got more complex - as the first step of the upgrade, I attempted to divorce the attached Expander from the TiVo. No dice - each time I confirmed the divorce, it thought about it for a few seconds, rebooted, and came back to the divorce screen. A quick search showed that this is certainly not an uncommon issue. Thanks for corrupting my stock drive, WD Expander! Forced kickstarts, GSOD's, whatever I could do - I could not fix the reboot loop.

I purchased InstantCake, and attempted to bake the image onto my stock 160gig drive - no go, it reports the drive is too small. The only other SATA drives I have are large ones - the 2TB I purchased for the TiVo upgrade, and a bunch of other 2TB drives intended for storage. I decided to temporarily use one of the spare 2TB's as a piece in the upgrade process, and I baked the IC 9.2 image onto a 2TB drive.

Booted up the TiVo, it recognized 20 hours, and I forced a few connections until the latest software came down. Now I have a 2TB drive, running 11-xx-k software, with 20 hours recognized. Time to move on!

As a long shot, I tried to immediately use the "Expand" option in JMFS - no go, generic "can't complete" error. I connect the new 2TB drive that is the intended final upgrade drive, and run a copy. The next day, that completes. Again, I try to expand - sorry, the "Expand" option can't complete.

I then use WinMFS to make a [truncated] backup of the image on the 2TB drive, and then restore the backup right back to the drive again. It asks if I want to expand, I say no. Reboot, load JMFS - sorry, can't expand. I repeat the process except this time I choose "yes" for expansion, and select the option to keep it under 1TB. Reboot, reload JMFS - sorry, can't expand.

(Side note, I checked the partitions - before attempting the expand operation with JMFS, there were 15 partitions on the 2TB drive)

On a chance, I then re-load WinMFS, redo the restore again, and at the end choose the option to expand, and then I select the option to fully expand, past the 1TB mark. I then Supersize with WinMFS. Disconnect the drive, pop back into the TiVo, let's see what happens - it boots! 318 hours of HD recording is recognized.

At the end of the day, I have a 2TB drive that JMFS has apparently never successfully expanded - the only successful operations were run using WinMFS. The TiVoHD recognizes 318 HD hours, and seems to be working perfectly fine.

The WD20EARS drive, manufactured in April, 2011 did require that I run wdidle3.exe to disable the timer (/D) - otherwise, soft boots would hang. I did not have to adjust the AAM, as it was already set at 128.

Food for thought ...
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Old 05-28-2011, 02:20 PM   #132
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Myself and several others have copied & expanded a WINMFS drive using JMFS. In fact just tried it again over the past weekend. Did a 1TB to a 2TB.
It seems that there are folks who have had some success expanding those 1TB drives, like KenVa.

But, that seems to imply that those 1TB, WinMFS-expanded drives only had 13 partitions. Do you have any idea how some folks ended up with 1TB drives and only 13 partitions?

I did a copy of a WinMFS-expanded 1TB drive to a new 2TB one, but ended up at the external storage divorce screen on first boot, and verified that JMFS had added a 17th partition. I take it that if you see the divorce screen, you've lost and the upgrade failed.
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:06 PM   #133
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On a chance, I then re-load WinMFS, redo the restore again, and at the end choose the option to expand, and then I select the option to fully expand, past the 1TB mark. I then Supersize with WinMFS. Disconnect the drive, pop back into the TiVo, let's see what happens - it boots! 318 hours of HD recording is recognized.

At the end of the day, I have a 2TB drive that JMFS has apparently never successfully expanded - the only successful operations were run using WinMFS. The TiVoHD recognizes 318 HD hours, and seems to be working perfectly fine.
Now that's interesting ... and it looks like I never gave this particular set of steps a try during my experimenting. Just to clarify, can you confirm that you did a WinMFS truncated backup of the current version of software, and then restored from the truncated backup to a 2TB drive, then used WinMFS to both fully expand (beyond the 1TB mark) and also to turn on the Supersize? And this resulted in a 318 hour THD? In any case, congrats on the success and thanks for the new experimentation!
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:56 PM   #134
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It seems that there are folks who have had some success expanding those 1TB drives, like KenVa.

But, that seems to imply that those 1TB, WinMFS-expanded drives only had 13 partitions. Do you have any idea how some folks ended up with 1TB drives and only 13 partitions?

I did a copy of a WinMFS-expanded 1TB drive to a new 2TB one, but ended up at the external storage divorce screen on first boot, and verified that JMFS had added a 17th partition. I take it that if you see the divorce screen, you've lost and the upgrade failed.
Here is the partition map from the stock 160G THD:

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@171920054 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@171920055 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@171928247 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@172452535 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@172452536 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@172460728 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@172985016 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@173247160 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@173771448 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@174951096 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@174361272 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)

This is the partition map using WINMFS from the 160G to a 1TB:

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640919040@312583856 ( 782.5G)

And finally a WINFMS 1TB to a JMFS 2TB:

Partition Maps
#: type name length base ( size )
1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640919040@312583856 ( 782.5G)
16 MFS MFS media region 3 1953524159@1953502896( 931.5G)

JMFS only adds one partition, never 2. So I must assume that your 1TB drive had 16 partitions.

And I have no idea nor believe an expanded drive could only have 13 partitions.
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And I have no idea nor believe an expanded drive could only have 13 partitions.
Only if the original had only had 11.
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Now that's interesting ... and it looks like I never gave this particular set of steps a try during my experimenting. Just to clarify, can you confirm that you did a WinMFS truncated backup of the current version of software, and then restored from the truncated backup to a 2TB drive, then used WinMFS to both fully expand (beyond the 1TB mark) and also to turn on the Supersize? And this resulted in a 318 hour THD? In any case, congrats on the success and thanks for the new experimentation!
Exactly right - I baked a fresh IC 9.x image, booted the TiVoHD and allowed it to update to 11.x.k, ran a WinMFS truncated backup, restored that backup right back to the 2TB drive, and allowed it to expand past the 1TB mark at the end of the operation. I then Supersized, removed the drive, reinstalled in the TiVoHD, and I'm running now with 318 available HD hours.
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Another successful THD upgraded from 1TB to 2TB using JFMS 1.04. I just used the copy then expand, 1TB was already supersized when I went from 160GB to 1TB. JFMS reported 288HD hrs but after installing back into THD settings info reports 318HD hrs. Took about 8 hrs for the copy operation, no errors were reported. I had no problems with partitions, etc. Successfully booted the first time after reinstalling in THD. Went with the hitachi 2TB coolspin after having great reliability with the 1TB hitachi. The coolspin is much quieter than the 1TB which was 7200 rpm. I am really pleased with this upgrade. Thanks to comer and the earlier posters for leading the way. I am making a paypal donation to comer right after posting this, GREAT JOB on the JFMS 1.04 coding!
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Another successful THD upgraded from 1TB to 2TB using JFMS 1.04. I just used the copy then expand, 1TB was already supersized when I went from 160GB to 1TB. JFMS reported 288HD hrs but after installing back into THD settings info reports 318HD hrs. Took about 8 hrs for the copy operation, no errors were reported. I had no problems with partitions, etc. Successfully booted the first time after reinstalling in THD. Went with the hitachi 2TB coolspin after having great reliability with the 1TB hitachi. The coolspin is much quieter than the 1TB which was 7200 rpm. I am really pleased with this upgrade. Thanks to comer and the earlier posters for leading the way. I am making a paypal donation to comer right after posting this, GREAT JOB on the JFMS 1.04 coding!
I just bought the Hitachi 2 TB coolspin also, and mainly for the same reason as you. I have been awfully pleased the 1TB 7200 in my Tivo HD for 3.5 years. After having some recent issues("external drive not detected") most probably related to the additional 1 TB external set up(Antec mx1 + WDGP) I bought the 2 TB Hitachi as a backup(along with a Premiere that I will probably not activate after all).

I have not really done anything yet with the new drive but run the Hitachi Fitness Test on it. No errors after almost 13 hours on an acient Celeron 2.4gz system. I was trying to use the (new)Feature tool to see if anything else could be adusted on the drive but everything came back as not being useable on the drive. Seems virtually silent any way. I absolutely could not hear it even totallt exposed. Maybe not in the quietest of environments though, so hard to tell.

I had used the (older)feature tool to adjust the 7200 drive to the lowest acoustic setting.

In the meantime, the issues with Tivo HD seem to have reolved themselves for now, so I am not sure what I will do with the new drive and Premiere, but probably just keep both for back up.
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I purchased InstantCake, and attempted to bake the image onto my stock 160gig drive - no go, it reports the drive is too small. The only other SATA drives I have are large ones - the 2TB I purchased for the TiVo upgrade, and a bunch of other 2TB drives intended for storage. I decided to temporarily use one of the spare 2TB's as a piece in the upgrade process, and I baked the IC 9.2 image onto a 2TB drive.

Booted up the TiVo, it recognized 20 hours, and I forced a few connections until the latest software came down. Now I have a 2TB drive, running 11-xx-k software, with 20 hours recognized. Time to move on!
Instant Cake (IC) doesn't work on drives larger than 1TB. This info is buried in the IC post-purchase FAQ section.

As for IC refusing to restore to the original drive, due to it being "too small", there is a workaround (although the IC FAQ claims it's completely impossible).

You just use IC to image a larger drive (up to 1TB), then use WinMFS to make a truncated backup of the IC imaged, larger, drive, then use WinMFS to restore the truncated backup to the original (stock) drive. WinMFS will downsize the partitions to their stock sizes. Make sure to leave the swap partition size at the WinMFS default of 128MB.

Now you can use your stock drive as a backup, and as a source drive, to upgrade to 2TB using JMFS (to Copy and Expand to the 2TB drive), and then WinMFS to Supersize the 2TB drive (and ONLY Supersize). Also, NEVER use JMFS Supersize on anything, except a TiVo Premiere.

Later, you say that you exceeded the 1TB (actually ~1.26TB) mark with WinMFS. That will work just fine, until you exceed ~1.26TB of disk usage, or in less common instances, it may hold up until some point beyond 1.26TB. The point is, you are running a time-bomb. I have verified this to be the case, as have many others here. WinMFS images that work, without problems later on, max out at ~1.26TB (original drive size + 1.1TB).

Important Notes: Don't allow IC or WinMFS to expand the target drive (utilize any unused space). That will cause additional partitions to be added (two at a time), which can cause you to exceed the partition number limit, in the end. Save the expanding for JMFS (which only adds one partition), then use WinMFS to turn on the "Supersize" option (which doesn't add any partitions). It's been long enough since I used IC, that I don't recall if you can stop it from expanding the drive. But, if I recall correctly, the process of using WinMFS to put the IC image back on the original (stock) TiVo drive may actually remove remove any additional partitions that IC may have added (beyond what a stock drive has). I, as well as others, have done this several times, so you should be able to get the same results.

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Later, you say that you exceeded the 1TB (actually ~1.26TB) mark with WinMFS. That will work just fine, until you exceed ~1.26TB of disk usage, or in less common instances, it may hold up until some point beyond 1.26TB. The point is, you are running a time-bomb. I have verified this to be the case, as have many others here. WinMFS images that work, without problems later on, max out at ~1.26TB (original drive size + 1.1TB).
Wow - thanks for an excellent response filled with valuable information - I certainly appreciate it!

Since it's the summer season the TiVoHD with the new 2TB drive hasn't exactly filled up with a lot of new stuff - I'm going to take this opportunity to redo everything as you mentioned above so there's no chance of bad things happening later.

Thanks again!
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Wow - thanks for an excellent response filled with valuable information - I certainly appreciate it!

Since it's the summer season the TiVoHD with the new 2TB drive hasn't exactly filled up with a lot of new stuff - I'm going to take this opportunity to redo everything as you mentioned above so there's no chance of bad things happening later.

Thanks again!
No problem.

I added the following to the original post (just to be as clear as possible) :

Important Notes: Don't allow IC or WinMFS to expand the target drive (utilize any unused space). That will cause additional partitions to be added (two at a time), which can cause you to exceed the partition number limit, in the end. Save the expanding for JMFS (which only adds one partition), then use WinMFS to turn on the "Supersize" option (which doesn't add any partitions). It's been long enough since I used IC, that I don't recall if you can stop it from expanding the drive. But, if I recall correctly, the process of using WinMFS to put the IC image back on the original (stock) TiVo drive may actually remove remove any additional partitions that IC may have added (beyond what a stock drive has). I, as well as others, have done this several times, so you should be able to get the same results.
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I have a Series 3 HD Box that has been upgraded to a 1 TB via WinMFS in 2009

I am looking to buy a TiVo Premiere and cloning the stock drive from that new unit to a 2TB hard drive (I know if I keep both active I can transfer via home network all my shows).

Is JMFS Live the best method to do this? Can WinMFS clone the TiVo Premiere stock drive to a 2TB? or Is JMFS Live the best method?

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I have a Series 3 HD Box that has been upgraded to a 1 TB via WinMFS in 2009

I am looking to buy a TiVo Premiere and cloning the stock drive from that new unit to a 2TB hard drive (I know if I keep both active I can transfer via home network all my shows).

Is JMFS Live the best method to do this? Can WinMFS clone the TiVo Premiere stock drive to a 2TB? or Is JMFS Live the best method?

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Welcome to the forum Chad. Using jmfs is basically the only method by which you can upgrade a stock TiVo Premiere to 2TB's of recording goodness. winMFS does not work with TiVo Premiere models.

Follow the directions in the first post of the following thread (not this one...as it's for upgrading TiVo HD's) and you should be good to go:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=455968

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Thanks Rich!
So tonight I am going to purchase a new TiVo Premiere. I currently have a TiVo HD (that was upgraded to a 1 TB drive via WinMFS in 2009). What is the best method to first upgrade the new TiVo Premier drive to a 2 TB and then clone over all my shows from my older TiVo hard drive?

I believe that transferring the shows via home network some of the copyrighted shows will not transfer to the new TiVo HD.

I guess what I am asking is after I clone the stock TiVo premiere hard drive how can I merge the recordings from my old TiVo?

Thanks for the help!

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Thanks Rich!
So tonight I am going to purchase a new TiVo Premiere. I currently have a TiVo HD (that was upgraded to a 1 TB drive via WinMFS in 2009). What is the best method to first upgrade the new TiVo Premier drive to a 2 TB and then clone over all my shows from my older TiVo hard drive?

I believe that transferring the shows via home network some of the copyrighted shows will not transfer to the new TiVo HD.

I guess what I am asking is after I clone the stock TiVo premiere hard drive how can I merge the recordings from my old TiVo?

Thanks for the help!

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If you aren't going to lifetime that Premiere you might want to go for the Father's Day promo deal TiVo has right now, 2 year committment at $20 a month, no money up front, and you get the hardware free.

As for moving the recordings, what's on a given Tivo's hard drive is "encoded" with that TiVo's "fingerprint" and can't (or won't) be recognized by any other TiVo, so you can't just dd (or dd_rescue) media partitions from drive to drive.
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So tonight I am going to purchase a new TiVo Premiere. I currently have a TiVo HD (that was upgraded to a 1 TB drive via WinMFS in 2009). What is the best method to first upgrade the new TiVo Premier drive to a 2 TB and then clone over all my shows from my older TiVo hard drive?

I believe that transferring the shows via home network some of the copyrighted shows will not transfer to the new TiVo HD.

I guess what I am asking is after I clone the stock TiVo premiere hard drive how can I merge the recordings from my old TiVo?

Thanks for the help!

-Chad
Your best bet is to fully set up your new TiVo Premiere...cable cards, etc. Run it for a good 30 days to ensure that everything is working properly. If something is going to fail it'll usually do it right away. Once you're comfortable everything is good then go ahead and perform the upgrade. jmfs will copy over all of your settings and recordings when you upgrade.

You're correct about copy protected recordings. Anything recorded via OTA channels (local broadcasts from ABC, NBC and so on) can be transferred via TiVo MRV (Multi-room viewing) from your TiVo HD to the new Premiere. Others may have protection and they cannot be copied (to your Premiere or a computer, etc.)...it all depends on your cableco. You could move them now or if there are a lot, you could wait until you upgrade your Premiere. Otherwise that's the only way to enjoy recordings that are on your TiVo HD on your new Premiere.

Enjoy your new TiVo and happy upgrading!
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Is there a way to clone the TiVo OS (from the premiere) to the new 2TB just so it boots and then copy over the other TiVo HD shows via Linux? I do understand about letting the TiVo run for a bit before I open it.

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Is there a way to clone the TiVo OS (from the premiere) to the new 2TB just so it boots and then copy over the other TiVo HD shows via Linux? I do understand about letting the TiVo run for a bit before I open it.

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As I said, what's on a given Tivo's hard drive is "encoded" with that TiVo's "fingerprint" and can't (or won't) be recognized by any other TiVo.

If you take the hard drives out of 2 Tivos and hook them up to a computer and copy recordings from one to another, by whatever method or software, and then put the drives back in the Tivos, when one of them sees a recording on its hard drive that it didn't make, it's not going to give it "official recognition", because the correct "which Tivo made this recording" info isn't attached to that particular recording.

When you "transfer" recordings from a TiVo to a computer via TiVo Desktop, or from a TiVo to another TiVo on the same home network, it replaces the requirement that it be the same TiVo with a requirement that your account's Media Access Key be involved, but at least it works, unless it's one of those situations where it came into the first TiVo with the no duplication flag.
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Has anyone used a SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3EG HD203WI (2TB) on a TivoHD?

I have this as a spare drive and really would like to upgrade.
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Has anyone used a SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3EG HD203WI (2TB) on a TivoHD?

I have this as a spare drive and really would like to upgrade.
I've had lots of success with Samsung Spinpoints over the years. Not sure about the HD, specifically, but I'd say it'll do fine for you.
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