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I know box cost vs. monthly cost is a balancing act, but $19.99/month seems like a deal-breaker for many. Really, my cable TV bill costs $42/month (before a few dollars of tax). I just don't see this model as viable in the long term.
Maybe Tivo has some long-term plan to get the major cable companies to purchase and use their boxes essentially as upscale cable box replacements. Who knows? This seems a good strategy to me. Really, the fact that the HD Tivo units don't work with satellites is *the* biggest single reason I haven't left cable (FiOS isn't available in my area). It seems Tivo could use this "stickiness" as a selling point to big cable.
That said, IF this is Tivo's plan, I hope it's not developed and implemented by the same group who planned the existing Comcast Tivo, or who planned the new DirecTV Tivo, or who planned and implemented the Premiere, or who planned the Netflix interface....
Suddenly I'm not feeling so good. 
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05-16-2011, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alangst
Would you be able to sell the S2 with the lifetime contract on Ebay?
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I guess I could if I wanted to go that route. It would probably make sense to buy the Premiere w/ lifetime for $468 and then sell my S2 for a reasonable amount. I'd think with a 1TB internal drive and lifetime I'd be able to get something for it. I just don't know if I want to mess with it though.
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05-16-2011, 03:03 PM
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I know when the TiVo Premiere launched, TiVo said the upgrade offer was something they planned to keep around rather than a limited time thing. I wonder if this chanegd or if the offer will just change based off the new terms.
I haven't gotten the email yet, but I don't need another TiVo. I don't plan on grabbing another one until we have the 4 tuner version as an option.
I think I would have preferred if they just started offering the new lifetime on the $99 boxes while still offering the $299 boxes with $12.99/$9.99 a month from TiVo. Also it will be curious how this applies to older boxes since they didn't get the "subsidized" price model. In other words if you cancel for a month and later reactivate will you be forced into the $19.99 price.
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05-16-2011, 03:03 PM
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Another added cost would have to be the new or additional HD I would have to install on the premiere, because I know I can't work with just 45 hours.
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05-16-2011, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by innocentfreak
I know when the TiVo Premiere launched, TiVo said the upgrade offer was something they planned to keep around rather than a limited time thing. I wonder if this chanegd or if the offer will just change based off the new terms.
I haven't gotten the email yet, but I don't need another TiVo. I don't plan on grabbing another one until we have the 4 tuner version as an option.
I think I would have preferred if they just started offering the new lifetime on the $99 boxes while still offering the $299 boxes with $12.99/$9.99 a month from TiVo. Also it will be curious how this applies to older boxes since they didn't get the "subsidized" price model. In other words if you cancel for a month and later reactivate will you be forced into the $19.99 price.
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I don't think this has said anything about renewing subs, but it wouldn't surprise me if they went to $19.99 across the board for any subs. It seems like a big price jump though. If you read what was posted, it says you get that price for the box with the purchase of one of those plans. It doesn't say anything about after the 1-year, so here's to hoping.
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05-16-2011, 03:19 PM
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Tivo, you're moving in the wrong direction for pricing. I can get a lifetime premiere today for $468, now you're saying it will cost me $598 in 2 days. Yeah, I'll jump right on that.
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05-16-2011, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by brettatk
Yes, you are correct. That's part of my problem. I have an S2 and a Tivo HD. If I got the Premiere I really wouldn't need the S2 any longer. That's why I'd love to see an incentive that would allow us to transfer lifetime from another box to a Premiere.
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These have been offered before but really there is no incentive for Tivo to ever do it again. Most of us consider 'Lifetime' to be the life of the box so it stands to reason that a new box would require a new lifetime sub. That said I transferred lifetime from an old S2 when I purchased my S3 for $800.
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05-16-2011, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by h0mi
Tivo, you're moving in the wrong direction for pricing. I can get a lifetime premiere today for $468, now you're saying it will cost me $598 in 2 days. Yeah, I'll jump right on that.
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Apparently, you aren't a very good price shopper. If I told you something is going to cost you more tomorrow, then (if you were going to buy it in the first place) you should buy it today...
Generally speaking, in the last 5 years has there been a cheaper price for a new box with lifetime than $468? (My deal was a lifetime transfer $299+$199 onto a TivoHD.) I guess maybe it is time for the price to take a bump up. Whether it comes down again or not, who knows...
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05-16-2011, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by innocentfreak
.....I don't need another TiVo. I don't plan on grabbing another one until we have the 4 tuner version as an option.
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05-16-2011, 03:50 PM
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I thought for sure this signaled that the $12.95 monthly prices were going away, and they were going to settle on the $19.95 price for everybody.
But then I just got this upgrade offer email for a refurbed XL (not that I'm complaining!):
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05-16-2011, 03:54 PM
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Here are the two emails I received today from TiVo:
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The real question is, what will be the multi-service discount price be for lifetime subscriptions after the price changes?
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05-16-2011, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alangst
Another added cost would have to be the new or additional HD I would have to install on the premiere, because I know I can't work with just 45 hours.
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I thought about this as well, but with the faster transfer speed, I'd just set up the "auto transfer" and the size drive would be pretty moot.
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05-16-2011, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by skaggs
Here are the two emails I received today from TiVo:
The real question is, what will be the multi-service discount price be for lifetime subscriptions after the price changes?
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Thanks for posting. I just realized I had the offers emails turned off, so I would never get to see them.
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05-16-2011, 04:08 PM
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Notice the emails says your current upgrade offer so it definitely sounds like it isn't going anywhere. My guess it will work out to be around the same as what it is now, it will just be discounted off the $99 + $499 price. I could see them doing $69 + $399 lifetime and you are at the same price as the current $468 offer.
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05-16-2011, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by socrplyr
Apparently, you aren't a very good price shopper.
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Tivo has offered this upgrade price for at least 6 months. There's nothing that has happened to convince me it was a good price during this time- not the price, not the hardware upgrade from a Tivo HD, not the hassle of buying/using my existing external drive. Setting a price hike 2 days from now does nothing to change my mind and is, IMO, the wrong direction to go for Tivo.
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05-16-2011, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by h0mi
Tivo has offered this upgrade price for at least 6 months. There's nothing that has happened to convince me it was a good price during this time- not the price, not the hardware upgrade from a Tivo HD, not the hassle of buying/using my existing external drive. Setting a price hike 2 days from now does nothing to change my mind and is, IMO, the wrong direction to go for Tivo.
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You ignored the part where I said "if you were going to buy it in the first place," obviously you weren't. Realistically, Tivo's problem isn't the overall price as it is cheaper than just about every option out there (over the long long term). The consuming public and our society as a whole has shown over and over that we are not willing to invest in anything. I doubt you will see pricing much lower than this anytime soon. They just can't make money as it is and I doubt lowering the price will bring in a whole lot more people for the previous mentioned reasons.
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05-16-2011, 05:09 PM
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That's why I'd love to see an incentive that would allow us to transfer lifetime from another box to a Premiere.
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I would too. I have a refurb Premiere just waiting for some kind of deal. My S2 w/ lifetime isn't really doing anything now except retrieving my video podcast subscriptions.
I may just call TiVo and play CSR roulette.
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05-16-2011, 06:08 PM
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Oooh. Now I have a decision to make. I have an S3 with lifetime and an S2 that I pay month to month. Since Cablevision went all digital, I have the kludgey ir zappers to change the channel on the set top box.
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05-16-2011, 07:10 PM
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Interesting... TiVo continues to hype HuluPlus... maybe they should get that up in two days, lol
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05-16-2011, 08:24 PM
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Lose subscribers = Raise price. No sense.
Only thing I'm worried about is not breaking at least even with my current Premieres (vs rentals) before they go out.
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05-16-2011, 08:39 PM
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So here is the breakdown for people who can upgrade typically.
$269 unit, $199 for lifetime = $468
As of 5/19 it will be
$99 unit, $499 lifetime = $598
So an awesome increase of $130.
I wrote to Tivo support again regarding this crazy situation and received the following reply.
In addition to some interesting information regarding a (possible) Premiere update on the 18th.
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We are releasing a software update on the Premiere starting on the 18th that will fix many issues that the Premiere models have been experiencing.
The new pricing simplifies everything so that TiVo service for any Premiere, whether new, factory-renewed, used, purchased directly from TiVo, a retailer or anywhere else is only $19.99/month (w/one-year commitment). Even better, Product Lifetime Service will be available for everyone at only $499.99 ($399.99 with Multi-service discount). The other major change is that all $19.99/month plans activated after the price change will be eligible for MSD pricing at $14.99/month.
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So... perhaps if I already have a S2 lifetime unit, I can get the $399 lifetime going forward. That would just mean a $30 increase in price.. I can wait for that.
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05-16-2011, 09:08 PM
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Confirmed from the rep via email, that if you currently have a system with lifetime on it, the future lifetime will be $399. So that's not so bad, not gonna jump on this until I see what happens with the update.
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05-16-2011, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by h0mi
Setting a price hike 2 days from now does nothing to change my mind and is, IMO, the wrong direction to go for Tivo.
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I don't want to give them positive feedback on this negative step (as others have said, the non-believers (heh) already think Tivo is too expensive)...
but the lifetime price increase from $200 to $250 (or was it ever $150 to $200? I don't remember) was actually what got me to get my first S1... though it actually ended up being slightly after the price increase IIRC (it wasn't a new in box unit so I paid less on the hardware side though).
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05-16-2011, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ducker
So here is the breakdown for people who can upgrade typically.
$269 unit, $199 for lifetime = $468
As of 5/19 it will be
$99 unit, $499 lifetime = $598
So an awesome increase of $130.
I wrote to Tivo support again regarding this crazy situation and received the following reply.
In addition to some interesting information regarding a (possible) Premiere update on the 18th.
So... perhaps if I already have a S2 lifetime unit, I can get the $399 lifetime going forward. That would just mean a $30 increase in price.. I can wait for that.
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Your pricing is based off the upgrade offer. You get one upgrade offer per box as far as I can tell. This isn't an accurate comparison.
Normal Price
$299 + $399 = $698
New Normal Price
$99 + $499 = $598 or $100 cheaper
Normal additional lifetime box
$299 + $299 = $598
New additional lifetime box
$99 + $399 = $498 or $100 cheaper assuming $399 is correct
Current Upgrade offer
$269 + $199 = $468
New Upgrade offer
Unknown
would guess possibly $69 + $399 or $299-$349 assuming $399 is the new additional lifetime. $368-$468 is my guess. I would guess more along the lines of $368 if the $399 pricing is correct for additional lifetime units.
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05-16-2011, 10:19 PM
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I pay monthly (I know kinda stupid since I've owned a Tivo for a long time)
I pay $12+ for my existing Tivo HD. Do I have to upgrade? Is my monthly rate going to $19.99? If so, I'm cancelling.
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05-16-2011, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bdaoust
I pay monthly (I know kinda stupid since I've owned a Tivo for a long time)
I pay $12+ for my existing Tivo HD. Do I have to upgrade? Is my monthly rate going to $19.99? If so, I'm cancelling.
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My guess is it will only apply to premieres. The real question is will it apply to premieres where people didn't pay $99 or so.
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05-16-2011, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bdaoust
I pay monthly (I know kinda stupid since I've owned a Tivo for a long time)
I pay $12+ for my existing Tivo HD. Do I have to upgrade? Is my monthly rate going to $19.99? If so, I'm cancelling.
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I just bought a refurb Premier because the monthly subscription was $12.99 for the first year. I asked what the renewal was going to be. I was told that they wouldn't dare change it from that as it had been that "forever." This is what I used to make my decision.
I'm depending on TiVo not to disappoint me by raising my rate at the end of the year. Just in case, I still have time on my return period. 
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05-16-2011, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by innocentfreak
Current Upgrade offer
$269 + $199 = $468
New Upgrade offer
Unknown
would guess possibly $69 + $399 or $299-$349 assuming $399 is the new additional lifetime. $368-$468 is my guess. I would guess more along the lines of $368 if the $399 pricing is correct for additional lifetime units.
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My take from the correspondence I received was that it was going to be a flat price of $99 anywhere, any situation and either $499 or $399 for lifetime weather or not you have a current system with tivo.
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05-16-2011, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ducker
My take from the correspondence I received was that it was going to be a flat price of $99 anywhere, any situation and either $499 or $399 for lifetime weather or not you have a current system with tivo.
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I am actually talking about the upgrade program though. They never announce upgrade offers in advance.
This is only through TiVo.com/upgrade.
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05-16-2011, 11:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bmgoodman
Maybe Tivo has some long-term plan to get the major cable companies to purchase and use their boxes essentially as upscale cable box replacements. Who knows? This seems a good strategy to me. Really, the fact that the HD Tivo units don't work with satellites is *the* biggest single reason I haven't left cable (FiOS isn't available in my area). It seems Tivo could use this "stickiness" as a selling point to big cable.
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Here is at least 1: http://www.tivo.com/products/source/...rcn/index.html
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