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Old 02-03-2011, 04:01 PM   #301
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While I hope you are correct, I don't see it dropping that low lol.
Might be used. I personally see functionality in the iPad but not of a nature that I would pay much for it since it is nice to have functionality.
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Old 02-03-2011, 04:34 PM   #302
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Oh I definitely agree. I have an IOU xmas present with the choice of a laptop or iPad. I keep leaning towards a laptop since I can't justify the cost of the iPad since other than with TiVo I wouldn't have as much of a use for it.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:51 AM   #303
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The latest update of the app tells us something VERY INTERESTING:

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This app currently requires a TiVo Premier Series 4 DVR. Support for RCN and sudden link Premier Boxes, along with limited support for TiVo Series 3/TiVo HD DVR's, is coming soon.

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Old 03-01-2011, 10:14 AM   #304
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The latest update of the app tells us something VERY INTERESTING:
I came here to find out what the scoop on this is. The update said it was to make it easy to control multiple Tivos. The app came up and showed my TiVo name along with a list of my pyTivo shares which were grayed out.

When I tried to select a share I got the message in the previous post.

Before I get riled up, is the Tivo Premier the Tivo Premier 4? If not, I am going to be very put out as I "upgraded" to a Premier basically for the iPad app.
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:19 AM   #305
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Before I get riled up, is the Tivo Premier the Tivo Premier 4?
Yes. Do you have the latest Software version installed on your Premiere? Mine says 14.7-01-3-746 (this is under Account & System Information.) I'm pretty sure you'll also need to enable network control (Settings -> Remote, CableCARD & Device Settings -> Network Remote Control.)

Make sure your TiVo is on the network. Check Settings -> Network & Phone -> View Network Status.

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Old 03-01-2011, 04:50 PM   #306
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The app itself is working fine for me, I love it. I have just been looking forward to them allowing me to browse my pyTivo shares with it and got all excited when they showed up.

Then I noticed they were grayed out and read that message about the Premier 4 and felt a bit deflated.

Should I be able to see these shares now? Should I force a call?
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:59 PM   #307
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If you are talking about the video library you might have on a server or local PC, I do not believe this is suggesting any support for them.

My pytivo is down at the moment (using TiVo desktop), so I am very interested in the fact that you are seeing them as a grey selection. You should only be seeing actual TiVo's... Is PyTivo representing itself as a TiVo? A photo would be VERY helpful for the devs - I am sure!

I might be wrong, but I would not get too excited about that fact. Although, It is an upgrade I would like as well!
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:12 PM   #308
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PyTivo like TiVo Desktop advertises itself using Bonjour or TiVo Beacon, so my guess is that the iPad is picking that up and then graying them since they are not a TiVo box it specifically knows how to deal with.
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But I did not see my TiVo Desktop on the list, just my TiVo's. If Spudnic is actually seeing a PyTiVo library it is at the very least, interesting and potentially might cause problems in the future.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:20 PM   #310
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But I did not see my TiVo Desktop on the list, just my TiVo's. If Spudnic is actually seeing a PyTiVo library it is at the very least, interesting and potentially might cause problems in the future.
Here is the list and the dialog box that pops up when you select a pyTivo share.
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It could very well be how pytivo announces itself on the LAN. I plagiarized a bit of pyTivo's use of ZeroConf & Beacon to detect TiVo DVRs on the LAN for my TiVoToDo project, and I seem to recall the announcement of pyTivo shares using a string similar to "TiVoMediaServer". Since TiVoToDo doesn't announce anything, I didn't dig too deep into that portion of the code.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:47 PM   #312
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Isn't that interesting!

I still wouldn't assume that we will ever get direct access to those shares - but I never expected to see that.

What I would expect and would like to to see is access to the libraries more as a folder under My Shows. It would be nice to initiate a move from any TiVo or library just like we can do from the UI.

I suspect we will see that functionality about the same time the HDUI is completed for that functionality...
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:24 AM   #313
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Eh, you know pyTivo has a web interface, right? No need to access it through the app.

I'm assuming the shares appear greyed out because pyTivo sends out _tivo_video share announcements, but not the new _tivo_mindrpc service that the iPad app wants to see. I dunno why TiVo Desktop doesn't show up; perhaps it's specifically excluded?

pyTivo doesn't pretend to be a TiVo, but the _tivo_video announcements for both are similar. It may even be that pyTivo looks a little bit more like a TiVo than TiVo Desktop does (e.g. in their respective beacon behaviors). But a TiVo can certainly tell the difference, as you can see by the icons used.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:22 AM   #314
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I haven't messed around with the web interface of Python really and didn't know if you could use it to also delete files from the shares?
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:25 AM   #315
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The latest update of the app tells us something VERY INTERESTING:
Engadget has a brief article about it: Tivo App to add limited support for Tivo HD/Series 3 DVRs.
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:58 PM   #316
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Eh, you know pyTivo has a web interface, right? No need to access it through the app.
But the app is just so perty!

Actually I use it to select shows, etc., but use the remote for ff, pause, etc. It's just far more convenient. That's not a dig at the app UI at all, I just really like tactile operations for stuff like that.
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I have 3 ipads and 4 TIVO HDs. Tivo is missing a big opportunity not supporting Tivo HDs with this app. Also, I will not buy a Tivo premiere - they made a huge mistake not having GB Ethernet - i would upgrade all 4 Tivos to premieres if they had GB Ethernet but not for this app.

Hope Tivo picks up their game before i hit my upgrade cycle.
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:53 PM   #318
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I have 3 ipads and 4 TIVO HDs. Tivo is missing a big opportunity not supporting Tivo HDs with this app. Also, I will not buy a Tivo premiere - they made a huge mistake not having GB Ethernet - i would upgrade all 4 Tivos to premieres if they had GB Ethernet but not for this app.

Hope Tivo picks up their game before i hit my upgrade cycle.
Do you just jump on every iPad / TiVo thread to complain about lack of S3 support or do you actually read them to see if anything might have changed?

Ok, that might have been a little snarky of me...

With this latest update TiVo is announcing that limited S3 support is coming soon. That is what we are talking about.

The iPad app was designed around the new software service based collections of the Premier so it will be interesting to see what the functionality limitations there will be.

Funny, with all the complaining in the past, I am surprised that nobody has even hinted at even a small amount of appreciation for TiVo listening to their customers and making the attempt to provide this functionality.

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Really? The TiVo cannot process the file / transcode fast enough to utilize a gigabit connection. Heck, it doesn't even stress out the 100mbps connection it has. Why spend the money on a GB connection that it cannot possibly use?
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:05 PM   #319
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Funny, with all the complaining in the past, I am surprised that nobody has even hinted at even a small amount of appreciation for TiVo listening to their customers and making the attempt to provide this functionality.

Hmm...
You must've missed my posts, that expressed such appreciation.

Hmm...
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Sorry I missed it.

I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy and the Internet has become such a downer lately. Doesn't matter what forum I visit everyone is angry.
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Sorry I missed it.

I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy and the Internet has become such a downer lately. Doesn't matter what forum I visit everyone is angry.
Amen, brother. I've been looking at all these new sexy media boxes and each time I read about the awesome new feature it has all I can think is, "Well, yeah. I could do that with my TiVo for years."

The biggest gripe I have with Tivo is the screen wipe animations switching through menus. It is just annoying. The data is already there, yet I've got a bright background that makes it hard for me to read until the darker background slides in. It's gives me the perception that it is slower than it actually is.

I wish there was a way for them to allow us to turn that off.

If that's my biggest gripe with them then they're doing something right.
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It shows them streaming the program to the IPad but I'm pretty sure that won't come until December sometime but it does work.
Huh? What "shows them streaming?" This app doesn't stream at all and no information about this app has made any such promises.
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Huh? What "shows them streaming?" This app doesn't stream at all and no information about this app has made any such promises.
You do know you're replying to a spammer, yes?
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The iPad TiVo app locks up the Premier, TiVo as a tech company, does not check their software. FIX IT!!!!
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Not sure that TiVo really needed to ask, or if they did they may be worse off than we think since they don't know people want this.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/h...eaming-to-ipa/
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Not sure that TiVo really needed to ask, or if they did they may be worse off than we think since they don't know people want this.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/h...eaming-to-ipa/
I would think it's more to gauge how much people would want the feature. A vocal minority may clamor for a feature that the majority wouldn't use. I'm not necessarily say that's the case here, but it could just be due diligence on TiVo's part to find out the need/want...
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Yeah I agree. I think though that the fact it has been one of the most requested features combined with the fact nearly every other DVR iPad app supports it should be justificatation enoough.

Of course this would point to just streaming in general also.
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That Engadget artical is interesting enough to quote...

I do think that streaming to the ipad would be very interesting but I am skeptical about remote streaming. I could see copy directly to the ipad for remote viewing...

Do you also think this could be the beginning to streaming to an apliance? AppleTV? Yeah, I know - that is way out in left field.



http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/h...aming-to-ipa/#

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So, an update. Er, a refresher if you will. Back in September of last year, TiVo announced that ingrained Hulu Plus access would be coming to its DVRs "in the coming months," but we've heard precisely nothing on the matter ever since. Enter the present. We've got a tipster who owns a TiVo Premiere and was just invited to join a Field Trial to "test Hulu Plus on TiVo," and he's also receiving codes to receive a free month of service. It's hard to say what kind of gap we're looking at between the testing period and the go-live period, but at least we've got a little assurance that no one simply forgot about their promise. In related news, other tipsters are starting to receive some fairly interesting surveys from TiVo itself, with a few questions in particular asking consumers how they'd feel about the option to "stream live TV, DVR recordings and TV shows from a cable company's On Demand library to one's iPad." This seemingly includes in-home and remote streaming, and we have to say -- streaming to the tablet just might be the magic feature that finally gets TiVo out of the hurt locker. Probably not, but are you really going to judge us for being blindly optimistic?

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Yeah I agree. I think though that the fact it has been one of the most requested features combined with the fact nearly every other DVR iPad app supports it should be justificatation enoough.

Of course this would point to just streaming in general also.
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That Engadget artical is interesting enough to quote...

I do think that streaming to the ipad would be very interesting but I am skeptical about remote streaming. I could see copy directly to the ipad for remote viewing...

Do you also think this could be the beginning to streaming to an apliance? AppleTV? Yeah, I know - that is way out in left field.



http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/h...aming-to-ipa/#
It could be a way for TiVo to get their feet wet in the streaming business. With iPad development fresh in the engineer's minds, streaming to the device may be considered "low hanging fruit" to get a proof of concept streaming solution in place. Once perfected, other devices may come into the fold.
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