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Old 12-04-2007, 08:39 AM   #1
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Now the ads are p***ing me off

Finally got to watch the "Bitter Sweets" episode of Pushing Daisies.

When it ended I was presented with 3 options:

Delete now
Keep this recording
Discover Sony High Definition (clickable link)

This is not cool. All you people who have been saying there is no slippery slope, feel free to reply.

Not a happy camper with the company. I love my TiVo, but if this is the way it is going to be I may as well start looking at a computer solution.

Sorry is this is old news but I saw it for the first time this morning.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:50 AM   #2
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I b'lieve the company just posted a loss a few days ago... it shouldn't surprise anybody that they're whoring themselves for revenue.
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:00 AM   #3
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What exactly is the problem?

In what way did the ad affect your ability to watch and then delete the show?
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:02 AM   #4
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What exactly is the problem?

In what way did the ad affect your ability to watch and then delete the show?
Exactly-just don't click it. boom done!
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:25 AM   #5
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Finally got to watch the "Bitter Sweets" episode of Pushing Daisies.

When it ended I was presented with 3 options:

Delete now
Keep this recording
Discover Sony High Definition (clickable link)

This is not cool. All you people who have been saying there is no slippery slope, feel free to reply.

Not a happy camper with the company. I love my TiVo, but if this is the way it is going to be I may as well start looking at a computer solution.

Sorry is this is old news but I saw it for the first time this morning.
these ads first appeared about 6 months or more ago. they are not new.
Also as others asked can you please describe exactly what you had to do differently to use your DVR. Exactly how intrusive was this ad?

I find them easy to ignore, myself, since the current crop of ads have no interest for me. If it was for some new Movie I would click through to see the extended trailer
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:36 AM   #6
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What exactly is the problem?

In what way did the ad affect your ability to watch and then delete the show?
I was wondering the same thing. So they added an extra line on the page when you are asked what you want to do at the end of watching a show, i don't get it.

You don't have to click past the add, or move through an extra step to delete it...

I'll complain about the adds when they force you to watch them before deleting, starting or even during a previously recorded show.
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:38 AM   #7
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I have a hard time understanding the outrage. It'd be different if you had to watch the ad before using the menu. But putting a link to an ad at the bottom of the menu... meh.
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:47 AM   #8
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I reflexively up-select anyway when I'm done with a show, so I don't even parse the ads most of the time. <shrug>
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:51 AM   #9
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I'll complain about the adds when they force you to watch them before deleting, starting or even during a previously recorded show.
and you would not be alone if we were forced to deal with clearing the ad in some way. This fact is what defeats the slippery slope argument as it is a cliff for TiVo, no slope about it.
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:53 AM   #10
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Well, I for one give a big KUDOS to Tivo for finding a way to promote clickable advertising (which helps them stay in business) and yet not have it be intrusive in any way whatsoever. Its not an ad you have to watch, skip over, or even click past. Its just there if you want to see it.

I can imagine 1000's of more intrusive advertising techniques (that Tivo has even used in the past) and are especially visible on the networks (popups) and all over the internet.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:33 AM   #11
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I have ignored previous ads, but this just goes too far, IMO.

What's next, having to watch the ad in order to be able to save the program?
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:40 AM   #12
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Mod - please delete the aforementioned post / We don't need the Network Executives to get their 'brainless storms' on our forum.....
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:43 AM   #13
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Mod - please delete the aforementioned post / We don't need the Network Executives to get their 'brainless storms' on our forum.....
Really nice....
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:59 AM   #14
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these ads first appeared about 6 months or more ago. they are not new.
Also as others asked can you please describe exactly what you had to do differently to use your DVR. Exactly how intrusive was this ad?

I find them easy to ignore, myself, since the current crop of ads have no interest for me. If it was for some new Movie I would click through to see the extended trailer
Yeah these ads are as unobtrusive as they get - no different action is needed than if they were not there.

And yes, they have been around a while. Actually, for almost exactly a year now - I started this thread last year when I first saw them: Advertisement at end of "Rudolph" - never seen this kind before
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:00 AM   #15
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I have ignored previous ads, but this just goes too far, IMO.

What's next, having to watch the ad in order to be able to save the program?
When that happens, let us know. Until then, do exactly what you've done before, and you won't have to see any ads, OK?
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:04 AM   #16
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All you people who have been saying there is no slippery slope, feel free to reply.
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"Slippery slope", more often than not, is a logical fallacy, requiring a great stretch of causation of events that in no way actually cause each other. Using a slippery slope argument is what people turn to when they don't have an actual event to point to thats unacceptable, and instead need to fear monger about what else it could (but probably won't) mean."
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:33 AM   #17
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If I promise to click on a few of these links, can they add guide data mapping for clear QAM channels?
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:46 AM   #18
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When that happens, let us know. Until then, do exactly what you've done before, and you won't have to see any ads, OK?
When/if that occurs, you read it here first.

Look, I love my Tivo and have used one since the summer of 2001. I just do not like where this seems to be going.

I hope you guys are right, but I really do not think so. Let's see what it looks like in a year or two.
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:54 AM   #19
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If I promise to click on a few of these links, can they add guide data mapping for clear QAM channels?


OoOo.... that would be nice. I'll do the same if they can give us some data on those channels
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:11 PM   #20
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I have ignored previous ads, but this just goes too far, IMO?
Why?

These have been around for quite a few months already. It can't have been that bad if it took you months to even notice it was there.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:43 PM   #21
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I hope you guys are right, but I really do not think so.
care to base that on somethjing other than the old slippery slope argument?
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:54 PM   #22
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When/if that occurs, you read it here first.
Nope, 'fraid not.

We were first warned about the "slippery slope" ... - http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tiv...971#post195971
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This seems to be an example of a slippery slope. ....
The ad seems to be pretty inocuous now but it is conceivable that TiVo could.....
... over six years ago.

Over six years of warnings.

Six friggin' years.


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Over six years of warnings.

Six friggin' years.


looks like TiVo soilled some stickum on that slope
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:07 PM   #24
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Does Tivo get more revenue if those ads are clicked? If so, I would click to view the ads, if not I will still continue to ignore all ads on my Tivos. I feel like doing my part to keep Tivo alive, as I have seen the other side of DVRs and it is not pretty!
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:17 PM   #25
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Why?

These have been around for quite a few months already. It can't have been that bad if it took you months to even notice it was there.
My thoughts exactly. You've seen one ad in a year. They aren't that frequent at all and you don't have to do anything differently to avoid them.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:34 PM   #26
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Sorry is this is old news but I saw it for the first time this morning.
As others have stated, this is the part of his post I really like. It is old news, yet he just now noticed it. For six months his TiVo has been doing this, but he just now noticed.


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Old 12-04-2007, 06:17 PM   #27
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As others have stated, this is the part of his post I really like. It is old news, yet he just now noticed it. For six months his TiVo has been doing this, but he just now noticed.

Now that's funny!
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:48 PM   #28
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These things don't bother me too much (much worse are the networks' ads that cover the program as discussed in another thread today)..

But one relatively minor thing is that these seem to add a minor delay. I *can't* just go left arrow, up arrow, enter quickly like I usually can. I'm not saying it's pausing when the ad is up.. I think it just takes longer to draw the screen so it's losing the remote input or something.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:11 PM   #29
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I don't think I've ever seen one of these. They do seem like an extension of the ads that you can access from the home page.

What I'd like to see is directed/related advertising for each show - something like swivel search.

In fact, I could see Tivo really monetizing swivel search in the same way that Google has monetized search with adwords.

I'm not worried about intrusive ads as long as Tivo remains independent and has to fight for their customers with service features and quality.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:06 AM   #30
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... I'll complain about the adds when they force you to watch them before deleting, starting or even during a previously recorded show.
That's the day I will abandon TiVo.
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