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Old 07-23-2007, 11:02 PM   #301
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I posted the Series3 Lite opening animation on YouTube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9SKfT9FFO18

And of course posted some pictures and commentary:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-07/...-lite-arrives/

I couldn't snap the main chip as it was under a glued-on heat sink - sorry. I assume Megazone will have tons more pics and detailed tech info on his site.

I can confirm official eSATA support is coming this fall. And the most interesting piece of info I wrestled out of TiVo is that they began designing this units 14 months ago - before the Series3 was even released.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:05 PM   #302
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https://www3.tivo.com/index.html

Nice.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:09 PM   #303
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Does the S3 eSATA trick work on the HD?
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:09 PM   #304
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dave, you write "I can definitely recommend it over the Series3 to those looking to buy a high def TiVo."

Why? Only because of the lower price, or is it a better product in your opinion? I'm starting to get more and more pissed that I bought the Series 3 just a month ago.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:14 PM   #305
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Can I suggest an official S3 Lite thread...
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:17 PM   #307
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It sure is pretty. At first I was a little slow to like it, but I really like the look of the thing now. The S3 is, well, ugly IMO compared to previous sleek S2 models...
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:19 PM   #308
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Two big shocks:

First eSata listed as coming late 2007

No mention of even the possibility of MRV/TTG. That suggests to me it could be totally dead since TiVo up until now has always teased it.

http://www.tivo.com/whatistivo/tivoh...ons/index.html


One no shock...supports analog cable/OTA.

Told ya so.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:20 PM   #309
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Does the S3 eSATA trick work on the HD?
I didn't test it myself, but was given the impression it does. I'm on the road in California for the week, but when I get home next weekend I can test it if no one else has reported on it.

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dave, you write "I can definitely recommend it over the Series3 to those looking to buy a high def TiVo."

Why? Only because of the lower price, or is it a better product in your opinion?
Pretty much price alone. The TiVo HD is functionally equivalent to the Series3 (other than the additional M-Card support, which the S3 may get at some point). I think if you can get the S3 for $400 after rebate as it was a month or so ago, then maybe the OLED display, Glo remote, and extra hard drive space are worth that $100. But anything more than $400 or $450 is hard to justify. In fact, I figure the TiVo HD will ultimately be the end of the Series3 as we know it. (The TiVo HD actually is a Series3 according to the branding on the carton, DVR, and About screen.)

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No mention of even the possibility of MRV/TTG. That suggests to me it could be totally dead since TiVo up until now has always teased it.
Not dead. They've confirmed to me it's still under development. Given the lengthy dev time, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it won't be using our home network this time around and using coax instead.

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Old 07-23-2007, 11:22 PM   #310
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The TCF Store has one of the first huge shipments on the way. The URL should go live tomorrow.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:22 PM   #311
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Well I preordered mine, hopefully I'll have it in two weeks!
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:24 PM   #312
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The TCF Store has one of the first huge shipments on the way. The URL should go live tomorrow.
Never mind...
http://store.tivocommunity.com/merch...ry_Code=S3TIVO
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:27 PM   #313
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I found buried in the FAQ:

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Are TiVoToGo and Multi-Room Viewing available on TiVo HD?

TiVoToGo and Multi-Room Viewing are not currently available on the TiVo HD DVR. We expect that a version of TiVoToGo and Multi-Room Viewing features will be made available for the TiVo HD DVR in the future
So basically its not in sight.

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Not dead. They've confirmed to me it's still under development. Given the lengthy dev time, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it won't be using our home network this time around and using coax instead.
Oh brother.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:27 PM   #314
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Interesting that when I proceeded to the Buy it Now it quoted the monthly service plans at $6 less than list price. I was logged in and I guess it realized I already had two Tivos and qualified for MSD. Prepaid plans are not reduced.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:28 PM   #315
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I can still call and get the MSD on my S2 box after the TiVoHD box shows up, yeah?
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:35 PM   #316
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Interesting that when I proceeded to the Buy it Now it quoted the monthly service plans at $6 less than list price. I was logged in and I guess it realized I already had two Tivos and qualified for MSD. Prepaid plans are not reduced.
I found this earlier this evening. It looks real.

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Old 07-23-2007, 11:41 PM   #317
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Definitely prettier than earlier betas made it out to be.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:50 PM   #318
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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it [TiVoToGo and Multi-Room Viewing] won't be using our home network this time around and using coax instead.
Seeing a friend die is painful. Seeing him commit suicide is gut wrenching.

Tivo is succeeding to the extent it is by technological word of mouth, geometrically progressed, from a relatively small core of enthusiastic, technically-oriented customers who are turned on partly by the semi-semi-openness of the platform. Ironically only a tiny percentage of Tivo's customers _use_ that capability, even among the core, but _knowing_ that capability is there is what keeps their energy and evangelism high. Obviously Tivo must serve other masters; fine; but their bottom-line decision-making has to preserve that core, or there is nothing left. All Tivo's other, grandiose hopes & dreams are obviously hugely bigger, but they are built upon that foundation.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:59 PM   #319
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The new Tivo HD is the TCD652160 reported on earlier.

Any speculation on what the TCD653080 is that was also reported on earlier?

FWIW, there are ~$200 DVD recorders being released now with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners. They down-rez all output to 720x480 so it can be re-encoded to DVD-compliant MPEG2. They must use the DVD-upsampler output to display 720p or 1080i since you never see true HD. However, what you see is the quality you can record on DVD. Since an 80GB HDD is pretty small for HD (10 hours), I wonder if the 653 might be something like this. It could replace the S2DT and even have the external cable box inputs so it could support ATSC/NTSC + cable and still be cheaper by not having to support CableCards.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:06 AM   #320
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The new Tivo HD is the TCD652160 reported on earlier.

Any speculation on what the TCD653080 is that was also reported on earlier?

FWIW, there are ~$200 DVD recorders being released now with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners. They down-rez all output to 720x480 so it can be re-encoded to DVD-compliant MPEG2. They must use the DVD-upsampler output to display 720p or 1080i since you never see true HD. However, what you see is the quality you can record on DVD. Since an 80GB HDD is pretty small for HD (10 hours), I wonder if the 653 might be something like this. It could replace the S2DT and even have the external cable box inputs so it could support ATSC/NTSC + cable and still be cheaper by not having to support CableCards.
Engadget interview with Denny stated this is it. that's all she wrote this year.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:12 AM   #321
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MRV via coax? How? the Series 3 and the HD don't even have coax outputs.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:23 AM   #322
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The VIXS XCode 2115 chipset in megazone's photos looks interesting...

This link has the specs for the 2111:
http://www.vixs.com/sections/product...xcode_2111.htm

Note that it can to HD to SD transcoding and even MPEG2-HD to MPEG4 HD transcode. So, theoretically, TiVo could enable a down-rez function for MRV (would probably have to do it in the background and disable viewing since this is probably the only decoder in the box). They could also enable an HD 're-compress' function to squeeze HD shows you want to archive for longer term to MPEG4 so they take less HDD space.

I do not see H.264 or VC-1 support in the 2111 but the 2115 may have it. If not, that may limit the formats that the S3 line may eventually support for PC transfers since they would probably limit to the formats both boxes could display.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:37 AM   #323
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In fact, I figure the TiVo HD will ultimately be the end of the Series3 as we know it.
From Reuters:
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Jim Denny, vice president of product marketing for TiVo said he was unsure if TiVo was building new Series3 boxes, but believes existing inventory should keep the device available through the start of 2008.
Its a good thing the S3 sold according to expectations or they might have 'em on hand until 2010.

ROFLMAO!
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:40 AM   #324
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I would be suprised to see the current S3 model continue to be produced. I see the TiVoHD as a replacement.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:57 AM   #325
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I would be suprised to see the current S3 model continue to be produced. I see the TiVoHD as a replacement.
From Tivo faq

How is TiVo HD different from the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder?

Both products are designed on the Series3 architecture so the core TiVo functionality is the same. However, the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder will remain as our premium HD DVR product with features such as a bigger hard drive (250gb), THX Certification, front panel display and a programmable, back-lit remote control.
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:12 AM   #326
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Weaknees even have HD upgrades for it alreay: http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-hd-tcd652160.php

160GB is just pitiful for an HD recorder (says the guy with the 750GB S3). That'd be the first thing I'd do if I got one.
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From Tivo faq

How is TiVo HD different from the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder?

Both products are designed on the Series3 architecture so the core TiVo functionality is the same. However, the TiVo Series3 HD Digital Media Recorder will remain as our premium HD DVR product with features such as a bigger hard drive (250gb), THX Certification, front panel display and a programmable, back-lit remote control and costs a mere $300(double!) more..
FYP
Sorry, people are not going to pay $300 more for the exact same thing minus a fancy remote($30) and 90GB of storage($?? but with the soon available upgrade eSATA drives from BB this is more the case)
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:33 AM   #328
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Some of the specifications posted earlier to this thread were off the mark. From zatz blurry shots, it looks like:

TivoHD Specifications (TCD652160)
- BCM7401 DVR CPU w/ integrated MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 decoders
- 2x ATI Theater 314 based tuners
- 2x Philips/NXT SAA7138CHL ADC, each with 16MB RAM (2x NT5DS8M16FS-5T)
- VIXS XCode 2115 IC (CableCard interface + 2x MP@ML encoder)
- 256Mb DDR400 SDRAM (4x NANYA NT5DS32M16BS-5U)
- 160GB Western Digital WD1600AVBS SATA hard drive
- Xilinx Spartan-? FPGA
- Cheaper PCB w/o PCI slots
- eSATA

Updated: July 24

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Old 07-24-2007, 01:36 AM   #329
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This thing at $299 down plus $6.95 a month, versus the cable DVR at $0 down and 11.95 a month. Break-even is at about 70 months. This thing won't last 6 years, so there must be some value added for the increased price over the cable DVR.

Estimate it lasts for 3 years. Present value of 36 monthly payments of $6.95 (assuming 5% interest) is $231.89. Plus $299 box fee makes the present value to own and use for 36 months to be $530.89. Present value of 36 monthly payments of $11.95 is $398.72. Difference is $132.17, or $3.96 a month. Plus the cost of cablecards. That's the cost of the TiVo service. Worth it?
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- 2x 128Mbit NANYA (32Mb total) DDR400 SDRAM (NT5DS8M16FS-5T) for encoder
- 2x 512Mbit (128Mb total) NANYA DDR400 SDRAM (NT5DS32M16BS-5U) main memory
I'm in CA and my box is in MD, but I think there might have been more than 4 Nanya chips. Maybe 6 or 8 total? When Megazone shows up, he can probably tell us.
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Plus the cost of cablecards.
Comcast gives me my cards for free.
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