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Old 07-19-2007, 12:23 PM   #241
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I'm a little upset, since I bought mine last month. But that's life when it comes to CE. You can't stop progress.
I bought mine last month, too (well, my second one), and it was only $399 after rebate, so no biggie.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:35 PM   #242
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Sure, with a three year subscription it will be $598.
Actually I think it will be $598.99.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:36 PM   #243
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I bought mine last month, too (well, my second one), and it was only $399 after rebate, so no biggie.
You did good.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:48 PM   #244
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You did good.
Where are you "good shoppers" finding those rebate deals??
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:02 PM   #245
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the engadget article says that the OLED was axed for the Tivo lite. It also comes with the regular S2 remote.
Yeah you're right. When I got a chance to look at the larger image Megazone posted on his site, I could see that the blurry line of text I took for a show title is actually the word "Native", which instead refers to how the signal is output. My bad...
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:39 PM   #246
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Where are you "good shoppers" finding those rebate deals??
There was a $200 rebate last month that brought the price down to $400 or so.

That said, I wonder if the parts have come down in price since TiVo built the S3 box initially - now we see all these STBs from Netgear and Apple that include video playback functionality. So the bcm chips had to come down in price because the market is becoming competitive. And if you figure the box cost $500 this time last year, the parts are now probably 300, plus the cheaper case and such leads to a BOM cost of somewhere around 250. Plus 50 for the manufacturing and shipping, and TiVo is selling them for a bit of a loss, but they can probably move tons of these boxes now that HD is becoming more mainstream. Having them ready for Christmas 07 is a big deal, since we'll probably see $999 42" LCD HDTVs en masse this year.
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Old 07-19-2007, 02:46 PM   #247
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I don't. My ex-wife got that.
well that explains why you can spend so freely on electronic gadgets now
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:14 PM   #248
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well that explains why you can spend so freely on electronic gadgets now
You got that right. It's surprising what descretionary funds you have available when you eliminate hair dressers, white wine, new draperies, and second green fees (I played 184 rounds of golf last year, she played 132).
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:26 PM   #249
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What would happen on the "service" end?
Don't know - I don't recall the terms of the initial marketing agreement. I presume the cable company would pay Tivo some monthly fee on behalf of the sub.

Everyone wins - customer gets a real Tivo experience without upfront cost; cable company makes money on the rental and part of the monthly service fee. I'd guess Tivo would get more than the $1+ they get for DTV, but don't know.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:03 PM   #250
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If the two were the same except for HD space, you'd think the part number would 2080 instead of 3080. So something else could be different.
Given that an 80Gb disk would only be 8hrs of HD, my guess would be a SD only digital box.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:13 PM   #251
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Yeah you're right. When I got a chance to look at the larger image Megazone posted on his site, I could see that the blurry line of text I took for a show title is actually the word "Native", which instead refers to how the signal is output. My bad...
Don't take the engadget post as gospel. You'll note that their source for that post is this thread.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:58 PM   #252
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The Series 3 is down to 599 now on Amazon.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:01 PM   #253
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The Series 3 is down to 599 now on Amazon.
It's been at that price in many places for a while. I bought it for that price at Amazon last month.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:01 PM   #254
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It surprises me how many people are upset because a cheaper unit is coming out. This reminds me of the Parable of the Talents (I believe). Hey, if you thought the unit was worth what you paid for it, why bregrudge someone else getting a better deal. I bought the S3 last November and I have no regrets. I bought my PS3 2 months ago and now Sony is lowering the price. That's life. I'm happy to see the price go down so more people can enjoy these products (not that there is much to enjoy on the PS3 right now however! ).
You bought a PS3????

J/K

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In all seriousness, if the box doesn't have a functioning eSATA port how hard is it to upgrade the disc on one of these? (I've been building PCs for years).
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:13 AM   #255
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(I've been building PCs for years).
In that case it may take you years to replace the HD. Otherwise, it may be as easy as most people find changing a PC's HD.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:15 AM   #256
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In that case it may take you years to replace the HD. Otherwise, it may be as easy as most people find changing a PC's HD.
Well if I took "years" to build hundreds of them it might be a different story, eh?
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:31 AM   #257
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It surprises me how many people are upset because a cheaper unit is coming out. This reminds me of the Parable of the Talents (I believe). Hey, if you thought the unit was worth what you paid for it, why bregrudge someone else getting a better deal. I bought the S3 last November and I have no regrets. I bought my PS3 2 months ago and now Sony is lowering the price. That's life. I'm happy to see the price go down so more people can enjoy these products (not that there is much to enjoy on the PS3 right now however! ).
I own more than one S3, and I am happy to see that TiVo is going to release a lower priced HD DVR with CC support. I hope it sells like hot cakes

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Old 07-20-2007, 06:33 AM   #258
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I own more than one S3, and I am happy to see that TiVo is going to release a lower priced HD DVR with CC support. I hope it sells like hoy cakes
mmmmmm.... hoy cakes!
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:59 AM   #259
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mmmmmm.... hoy cakes!
You like them too?
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:55 AM   #260
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They're even better with hoy sause.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:27 AM   #261
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You bought a PS3????

J/K

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In all seriousness, if the box doesn't have a functioning eSATA port how hard is it to upgrade the disc on one of these? (I've been building PCs for years).
Yupp, but to be clear, I've had an Xbox 360 since launch and I've been loving it! I've spent more time playing PS2 games on my PS3 than anythign else. I've never owned any play station so I'm getting caught up on classic PS games - God of War, God of War 2, Ratchet & Clank, that sort of thing. I have a huge back library of fun to play on the PS3 until real PS3 content starts rolling out next year. Can't wait for Halo 3 on Sept 26!
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:32 AM   #262
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I own more than one S3, and I am happy to see that TiVo is going to release a lower priced HD DVR with CC support. I hope it sells like hot cakes
I am happy that Tivo has a chance to survive and continue providing program listings to already purchased and operating equipment.

While I applaud Tivo for providing some S1 users a method of moving off of that platform, I can't see those who seem to think that Tivo owes them lifetime equipment transfers every time it releases a new product ( might feel different if I had lifetime service (actually I did at D* before I bailed), but I don't think so).
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:27 PM   #263
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I have mixed feelings about this. Personally I would just as soon take it for less $$ with no HD. Anything they ship is going to be useless to me.

On the other hand, from a market standpoint, doing less than 250 GB for the cheap-o-s3-lite makes me uncomfortable. (Edit: I'll dovetail this into my belief that TiVo is about to ship/price the right DVR for last year's market.)

It is absurd that the so-called premium S3 still ships with only a 250GB HD. Perhaps they have so many sitting in the warehouse that they are still selling off.


I'll guess less than 0%.

Which is also going to be my guess for lack of analog recording capability.
It's been a while since I've posted but I wanted to say HERE HERE! This is exactly the box that should have been released last year. And the reason the Premium still has a 250GB drive? They are not selling. If they were the lite version wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:33 AM   #264
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I think the S3 was as or more successful than TiVo expected it to be. It was never intended to be a mass market product.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:50 AM   #265
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I love my S3 and am very glad that I have it. The fact remains, though, that, because of its high cost compared to cable company rental boxes, the S3 is a niche product. Who, other than the most devoted HT and TiVo enthusiasts would be willing to pay $600 (at least) for an S3 plus $10 or $15 a month for a TiVo subscription as opposed to $10 a month for a cable company rental box? Virtually nobody it seems to me.

I don’t know what TiVo’s sales projections were, of course, but if they were at all grand I think they were doomed to disappointment.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:55 AM   #266
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I wanted to say HERE HERE! This is exactly the box that should have been released last year.
I am a bit more positive on the initial price than I was in that first post. It is a bit lower than I was thinking for this time last year, so TiVo is advancing the ball part of the way.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:57 AM   #267
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I think the S3 was as or more successful than TiVo expected it to be. It was never intended to be a mass market product.
Interesting. Maybe things have changed dramatically in a few months but in March, Tom Rogers, CEO, stated that S3 sales had been "disappointing."

A few months later, he dropped the hint about the S3 lite.

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Old 07-22-2007, 10:49 AM   #268
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You're taking one word badly out of context to try and prove your point. Kablemodem hit the nail on the head, what was "dissapointing" for Rogers was that Tivo didn't see the low-cost HD explosion that took place last year and missed out. Looks to me like they are getting back in the gane for this year with a much better placed offering.
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Old 07-22-2007, 02:14 PM   #269
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I think the S3 was as or more successful than TiVo expected it to be. It was never intended to be a mass market product.
Well, Tivo needs a 'mass market product' to be economically viable for the next 5-10 years. I'm sure that the Comcast deal and deals with other cable providers will help their bottom line but what they really need is a box they can sell that will satisfy consumers and hook them on the Tivo service.

The new box just might do this but I still have serious concerns about SDV incompatibilities as well as the missing TTG and MRV.

The biggest differentiators that Tivo has over a sat/cable PVR are the Tivo "extras" like TTG and MRV. To many consumers everything else from a sat/cable DVR is "close enough" to a Tivo for them not to want to spend the extra $$ to make the leap.

Hopefully if they get the SDV thing figured out somehow and get TTG and MRV they can move a huge number of these Series 3 Lite boxes in Q3/Q4 of this year.
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Yupp, but to be clear, I've had an Xbox 360 since launch and I've been loving it! I've spent more time playing PS2 games on my PS3 than anythign else. I've never owned any play station so I'm getting caught up on classic PS games - God of War, God of War 2, Ratchet & Clank, that sort of thing. I have a huge back library of fun to play on the PS3 until real PS3 content starts rolling out next year. Can't wait for Halo 3 on Sept 26!
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