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Old 07-17-2007, 10:17 AM   #121
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Aside from speculation, has there been any legit reports of what the new TiVO Lite will be like or when it will be available?
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:31 AM   #122
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Maybe the components are roughly the same as the Series 3; they're just cheaper now?

Minus the LCD, glo remote , and EAF (Early Adopter Fee).

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Old 07-17-2007, 12:20 PM   #123
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Maybe the components are roughly the same as the Series 3; they're just cheaper now?

Minus the LCD, glo remote , and EAF (Early Adopter Fee).

-Matt
Tivo Series3 Specifications (TCD648250B)
  • Broadcom BCM7038 DVR CPU with MPEG-2 decoder
  • Broadcom BCM7411 MPEG-4 decoder
  • 128Mb DDR SDRAM (plus SDRAM for BCM7042s)
  • 250Gb SATA HD
  • 2x Broadcom BCM7042 MPEG-2 encoders
  • 2x Samsung S5H1409-based tuners (analog/QAM/8VSB)
  • relatively large, 4-layer PCB (?) with PCI slots
  • THX certification
  • Front panel OLED display
  • Glossy, backlit learning remote
  • Made in Mexico
  • $799 MSRP

Official TivoHD Specifications (TCD652160)
  • Broadcom BCM7401 DVR CPU w/ integrated MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 decoders
  • 256MB DDR400 SDRAM (4x NANYA NT5DS32M16BS-5U)
  • 160GB Western Digital WD1600AVBS SATA hard drive
  • 2x ATI Theater 314 QAM/VSB demodulators (for tuners)
  • 2x Philips/NXT SAA7138CHL ADCs
  • 1x VIXS XCode 2115 IC w/ dedicated 32MB DDR400 SDRAM (2x NANYA NT5DS8M16FS-5T)
    • CableCard interface
    • MP@ML encoders
  • Silicon Image SiI5723 Dual SATA controller
  • Xilinx Spartan-3 XC3S200 FPGA
  • 10/100Mbps Ethernet
  • Standard Tivo remote
  • $299 MSRP

TivoHD Advantages
  • MSRP is $500 less ($299 vs $799) thanks to newer, more integrated components
  • TivoHD has ~7% faster CPU (450 MIPS vs 420 MIPS)
  • TivoHD has twice the usable system memory (256MB vs 128MB)
  • Supports MCARDs out of the box.
  • Consumes less power.

TivoHD Disadvantages
  • TTG and MRV throughput is less than Tivo Series3 (as of 9.2 software).
  • The "plug and play" eSATA drive expansion only works with "Tivo Verified" eSATA drives, while the Tivo Series3 works with any eSATA drive.
  • Smaller hard drive (160GB vs 250GB).
  • No THX certification.
  • No piano black enclosure with OLED display.
  • No slick, learning remote (sold separately for $50).
  • No bundled HDMI cable.
  • Drivers for new components potentially less mature / optimized.
  • Ships with older 8.1.x branch of Tivo software, which doesn't have all the performance improvements of the 8.3.x branch on the Tivo Series3.
  • Potentially slower disk I/O, which may hurt responsiveness.
    The Broadcom BCM7401 in the TivoHD has a single 1.5Gbps SATA channel that is "split" for the internal SATA and eSATA connections using the Silicon Image SiI5723. In contrast, the BCM7038 in the Series3 had a dual-channel SATA controller, so no "splitting" was required. This may negatively impact disk I/O when both internal and eSATA drives are used, and Tivo responsiveness is highly dependent on disk I/O. The SiI5723 does support several RAID modes that could potentially improve random I/O.
Google "TCD652160" and you might get a few hits, although you'll have to look at the cached results since Tivo has had most of the offending pages removed. Even Amazon has pictures of the TCD652160 on their site...

To clarify, I am not under NDA with Tivo.

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Old 07-17-2007, 12:24 PM   #124
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To clarify, I am under under NDA with Tivo.
You might want to re-clarify that...
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:27 PM   #125
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You might want to re-clarify that...
Bad typo.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:43 PM   #126
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Google "TCD652160" and you might get a few hits, although you'll have to look at the cached results since Tivo has had most of the offending pages removed. Even Amazon has pictures of the TCD652160 on their site...
Wow. This thing must be close if it's showing up on shopping sites already! Bring it on TiVo. This is exactly what I was waiting for!
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:52 PM   #127
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"Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., a leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today announced an improved digital TV receiver chip, the S5H1411, that boasts a 30 percent higher reception success rate than the company’s previous generation digital TV receiver chip released in 2005, the S5H1409."

If the above components list is true, I wonder if they'll be putting this new chip in the S3 too?
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:57 PM   #128
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:58 PM   #129
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Google "TCD652160" and you might get a few hits, although you'll have to look at the cached results since Tivo has had most of the offending pages removed. Even Amazon has pictures of the TCD652160 on their site...
"Features:

* Controls cable TV with record, pause, rewind and fast-forward in HD
* Records two HD channels at once, while watching another recorded show
* Records up to 20 hours of high definition programming (or 180 hours of standard definition)
* Video output modes include: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
* Sources supported: Digital cable, Analog cable, Digital antenna (ATSC), Analog antenna and broadband content"


And the pictures are definitely of the same unit that was shown earlier in the thread. So I guess this thing will be out pretty soon then... nice... might have to get one.

I always found it puzzling that they spent time and money on the front display on the Series 3. I would assume most "high end" setups are similar to mine, in that the electronics are stashed away somewhere out of sight anyway.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:58 PM   #130
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Found it via cached Yahoo search at Abe's of Maine...for $304.99.

Tivo TCD652160 TiVo HD High Definition Digital Video Recorder For Cable Use...

Also, from a cached google site found a nice image and these specs:

Features for TiVo TCD652160 HD Digital Video Recorder:

* Controls cable TV with record, pause, rewind and fast-forward in HD
* Records two HD channels at once, while watching another recorded show
* Records up to 20 hours of high definition programming (or 180 hours of standard definition)
* Video output modes include: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
* Sources supported: Digital cable, Analog cable, Digital antenna (ATSC), Analog antenna and broadband content

TIVO TCD653080 TIVO(R) HIGH-DEFINITION COMBINES THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE TIVO(R) SERVICE WITH THE PURITY OF HIGH-DEFINITION A/V; UNIVERSAL CABLE BOX DESIGNED TO WORK WITH ANY CABLE PROVIDER; OFFERS NETWORK CONNECTIVITY OTHER ELECTRONICS
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:59 PM   #131
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I just bought a series 2 that will be delivered in 2 days (converting from Directv to cable and don't want to use the DVR from the cable company).

I might just have to take advantage of the 30 day money back guarantee offer and wait for the S3 Lite to arrive.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:01 PM   #132
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Found it via cached Yahoo search at Abe's of Maine...for $304.99.

Tivo TCD652160 TiVo HD High Definition Digital Video Recorder For Cable Use...

Also, from a cached google site found a nice image and these specs:

Features for TiVo TCD652160 HD Digital Video Recorder:

* Controls cable TV with record, pause, rewind and fast-forward in HD
* Records two HD channels at once, while watching another recorded show
* Records up to 20 hours of high definition programming (or 180 hours of standard definition)
* Video output modes include: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
* Sources supported: Digital cable, Analog cable, Digital antenna (ATSC), Analog antenna and broadband content

TIVO TCD653080 TIVO(R) HIGH-DEFINITION COMBINES THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE TIVO(R) SERVICE WITH THE PURITY OF HIGH-DEFINITION A/V; UNIVERSAL CABLE BOX DESIGNED TO WORK WITH ANY CABLE PROVIDER; OFFERS NETWORK CONNECTIVITY OTHER ELECTRONICS
Am I correct to assume that this new unit will require two cable cards?
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:03 PM   #133
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Am I correct to assume that this new unit will require two cable cards?
Same as the S3, two single channel CC's or one multi-channel CC.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:15 PM   #134
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Same as the S3, two single channel CC's or one multi-channel CC.
Hmm... but will it require the cards to use both tuners for ATSC? Doesn't the Series 3 heavy/classic/pro require cards to use both tuners? I'm not all that knowledgeable about the S3 but I was under the impression that you needed cablecards in order to use both tuners and if you only had 1 card only 1 tuner would function (OTA specifically).

Am I wrong?
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:19 PM   #135
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Hmm... but will it require the cards to use both tuners for ATSC? Doesn't the Series 3 heavy/classic/pro require cards to use both tuners? I'm not all that knowledgeable about the S3 but I was under the impression that you needed cablecards in order to use both tuners and if you only had 1 card only 1 tuner would function (OTA specifically).

Am I wrong?
I think this is how it is:

0 cards = 2 tuners
1 card = 1 tuner
2 cards = 2 tuners

Nothing so far has indicated anything about the "lite" version working differently or the same.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:20 PM   #136
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Ahh, now where are the people crying "photoshopped!!" which seems to happen every time new product information gets leaked?

This looks really good. Now we need confirmation that it will support expansion through the eSata port, although an internal hard drive swapout is also probably possible.

If we are getting this info now it should be on shelves in August or September, then big ramp up promotional push during the holidays. I could easily see this bundled with one year Tivo subscription for the big holiday push.

Tivo could really turn things around with this one, especially if they bundle in service at the $299 price point.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:27 PM   #137
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I agree with the low price point being a positive; however, the lack of the Series 2 functionality (MRV, TTG, etc) and being crippled by SDV will either grow the customer base enough that TiVo and their customers can effect change; or simply piss off people who happen to have their HD channels on SDV.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:30 PM   #138
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What makes you think that this unit or the original S3 won't be able to do TTG or MRV by the end of the year?

Those are the biggest differentiators between Tivo and the "me too" cable/satellite PVRs and I'm sure Tivo is chomping at the bit to implement them.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:08 PM   #139
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Kind of hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like it has the an OLED display like the S3. I guess that wasn't a cost cutting requirement...
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:43 PM   #140
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I just bought a series 2 that will be delivered in 2 days (converting from Directv to cable and don't want to use the DVR from the cable company).

I might just have to take advantage of the 30 day money back guarantee offer and wait for the S3 Lite to arrive.
I would totally recomend returning the S2. Analog will not be around much longer and you probably do not want to rent a cable box to use the S2.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:44 PM   #141
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Same as the S3, two single channel CC's or one multi-channel CC.
There is no confirmation that Multi "Stream" Cards ("MCards") work with the S3, but reportedly the S3-lite has been certified by cablelabs for use with MCards. [Note- although no one calls them multi channel cards, that is pretty much what they are, although I suppose cablecard supports some streams that are not channels (like maybe a Docsis stream?), so calling them multichannel cards is not technically accurate.]

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Hmm... but will it require the cards to use both tuners for ATSC?
Cablecards are not required for tuning Over the Air (OTA ATSC) stations.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:52 PM   #142
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Hey Bob- Tivo Rewards S3.1s?

I know you guys are probably a trifle busy, but it sure would be nice if you folks made some of these units available via Tivo Rewards for us loyalists who have referral points to spend.

Thanks,

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Old 07-17-2007, 03:34 PM   #143
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There is no confirmation that Multi "Stream" Cards ("MCards") work with the S3, but reportedly the S3-lite has been certified by cablelabs for use with MCards.
I've been seeing rumblings about this, but I could have sworn that before the S3 got released TiVo said MCards would work. And I KNOW that the CableCard #1 slot on my S3 has wording along the lines of "First CableCard (Single or Multi stream)"

But just to keep this on topic, IF they enable MRV and IF they get MCards working and IF my CableCo starts handing out MCards (probably going to hog them for all their own cable boxes), I'll be picking one of these up for my bedroom.
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There is no confirmation that Multi "Stream" Cards ("MCards") work with the S3, but reportedly the S3-lite has been certified by cablelabs for use with MCards. [Note- although no one calls them multi channel cards, that is pretty much what they are, although I suppose cablecard supports some streams that are not channels (like maybe a Docsis stream?), so calling them multichannel cards is not technically accurate.]

Cablecards are not required for tuning Over the Air (OTA ATSC) stations.
OK, we need to see the verification on the S3-Lite model considering the rumors...

Just checked the 7/10/07 sheet, and its not there.

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Projected availability

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Wow. This thing must be close if it's showing up on shopping sites already! Bring it on TiVo. This is exactly what I was waiting for!
I predict...August 24th.

30 Days AFTER the current Transfer Lifetime offer expires.


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Old 07-17-2007, 04:15 PM   #146
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Looks like a placeholder which means retailers are either in the process of placing their orders or have already done so.
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:19 PM   #148
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Now you may have a choice of low cost Series 3 TiVo

TCD653080

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TCD652160
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I've been seeing rumblings about this, but I could have sworn that before the S3 got released TiVo said MCards would work.
The S3 has the hardware, but has not (yet, we think) been certified. More from Pony
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Now you may have a choice of low cost Series 3 TiVo

TCD653080

or

TCD652160
Well, until we see the specs we don't know if they aren't in fact the same unit. Sometimes model numbers change right before units go to retail.
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