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Old 11-24-2006, 10:53 PM   #1
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Question CableCard Purchase

Does anybody know where I can purchase a CableCard from, other than the cable company. My cable company (Service Electric Cablevision Sunbury PA) wants 125.00 apiece, and they will not rent them out. Thanks, Dan

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Old 11-24-2006, 11:24 PM   #2
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Does anybody know where I can purchase a CableCard from, other than the cable company.
They have to come from the cable company and match the cable head-end, but if they're charging $125 for them they're IMHO violating the spirit of the regulations.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:29 PM   #3
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Will they buy them back if you discontinue service?

I'd write a letter to the local public utilities commission and the local franchise office complaining.

This is certainly their way to avoid deploying them.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:40 PM   #4
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My cable company charged me $100 each for my cable cards. Metrocast my cable company said that by law they could charge up to 10% over there cost for the cards and that Motorola was charging them $90 each for the cards.
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:21 PM   #5
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Service Electric Cablevision, Sunbury PA, Said they will sell cards to me at there cost which is 125.00 apeice. To me it seems like its over-priced.
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Old 11-26-2006, 08:34 PM   #6
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My cable company charged me $100 each for my cable cards. Metrocast my cable company said that by law they could charge up to 10% over there cost for the cards and that Motorola was charging them $90 each for the cards.

I too have Metrocast. That sounds like a bunch of BS. Did you try complaining to the local franchise commity? They can be found on the back of your bill! Let me know!
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Old 11-26-2006, 08:55 PM   #7
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I would buy them then sue. If they can leaglly charge 10% over cost and they cost $90 then that is 10%+$1. So by law they would be up S creek without a paddle. Technically. And you might as well take those battles because sadly it sounds like these cable companies and bending you over the table.
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:28 PM   #8
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I'm going to complain to service electric and see what they have to say. Thanks to everyone for your input.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:25 PM   #9
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I called Blue Ridge Cable TV today to find out how they handle CableCards. I get one card free as a part of my HD package, and the second card is just charged as an additional active house outlet (small fee). This seemed very reasonable.

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Old 11-28-2006, 05:46 PM   #10
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Thumbs down Not good news

I talked to service electric cable and they said there cost is a little under 100.00 per card. 125.00 to me. Also there will be an additional monthly service fee of 2.00 for any service I have encrypted on the second card. ( in other words 2.00 extra for HBO, 2.00 extra for cinimax, 2.00 extra for upper digital tier channels.) He also stated maybe the reason the other cable co. are charging less is they may have a large inventory of cards and are getting rid of them before the next generation cards come out and these become obsolete. He only keeps 10 cards in stock. At this point I don't know what to think. The additional charge on the second card is hard to swallow considering the cards will be going into only one dvr.
Any thoughts or suggestions, I would like to buy an S3 and transfer my S2 lifetime.
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Old 12-01-2006, 08:47 AM   #11
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Arrow Not Good News: Any thoughts or suggestions

I talked to service electric cable and they said there cost is a little under 100.00 per card. 125.00 to me. Also there will be an additional monthly service fee of 2.00 for any service I have encrypted on the second card. ( in other words 2.00 extra for HBO, 2.00 extra for cinimax, 2.00 extra for upper digital tier channels.) He also stated maybe the reason the other cable co. are charging less is they may have a large inventory of cards and are getting rid of them before the next generation cards come out and these become obsolete. He only keeps 10 cards in stock. At this point I don't know what to think. The additional charge on the second card is hard to swallow considering the cards will be going into only one dvr.
Any thoughts or suggestions, I would like to buy an S3 and transfer my S2 lifetime.
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:50 AM   #12
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Have you talked to TiVo about this? TiVo has specialists for dealing with cable companies, and they obviously know the requirements. My impression remains that cablecards have to be made available for a nominal monthly fee (no purchase) unless the company has applied for a waiver.
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Old 12-01-2006, 11:01 AM   #13
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My impression remains that cablecards have to be made available for a nominal monthly fee (no purchase) unless the company has applied for a waiver.
As far as I can see ... available (for purchase) would seem to meet FCC regs just as well as available (for lease):
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...&&#post4574297
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:04 PM   #14
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My cable company charged me $100 each for my cable cards. Metrocast my cable company said that by law they could charge up to 10% over there cost for the cards and that Motorola was charging them $90 each for the cards.
Then they are overcharging, since 10% of $90 is $9, so they can only legally charge $99.
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Old 12-01-2006, 02:39 PM   #15
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Hey Dan. I am in the same boat you are. I have Service Electric in Hazleton. When I inquired about cable cards I was told they don't lease them, they are only available for purchase at $125.00 per cable card. They also stated if I were to purchase one, I could take it with me if I were to move to another provider.

Since they are the only cable company in the area, I am outta luck. Don't know if I want to spend $800.00 for a Tivo + 250.00 for two cableCARD's + $299 for the TIVO service
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Old 12-01-2006, 03:33 PM   #16
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I am sorry they told me that Motorola charged them about $90. There actual cost is probably $90.91. They originally told me they were $150 each, but after I questioned that price they said that $150 included a $50 installation fee for each card. I finally got them to wave the installation fees and got the 2 cards for $100 each.

The worst part is that one of my 2 cards is no longer able to tune the premium channels and they want to charge me $50 to come look at it. When I have more time I am going to have to call them back and see what I can work out with a supervisor.
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Old 12-01-2006, 04:37 PM   #17
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As far as I can see ... available (for purchase) would seem to meet FCC regs just as well as available (for lease):
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...&&#post4574297
I've seen supported arguments both ways; I'll see if I can find the contrary evidence (I was looking at cablecard TV threads a year ago). My recollection was it had something to do with their plans once they started issuing cablecards for their own equipment (they can't rent out cablecards to their own equipment and sell cablecards for 3rd party equipment, or something like that).
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Old 12-01-2006, 04:53 PM   #18
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My recollection was it had something to do with their plans once they started issuing cablecards for their own equipment (they can't rent out cablecards to their own equipment and sell cablecards for 3rd party equipment, or something like that).
Yes, there are some other regulations that come in to play if cable companies are renting out CableCards to use in their own equipment.

However ... since that day hasn't happened yet ...
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:25 AM   #19
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Have you talked to TiVo about this? TiVo has specialists for dealing with cable companies, and they obviously know the requirements. My impression remains that cablecards have to be made available for a nominal monthly fee (no purchase) unless the company has applied for a waiver.
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I did talk to tivo, they said there is not much they could do, and that I should talk to my cable company to try to work it out.
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:37 PM   #20
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Tivo is attempting to show the cable companies that they can be a good ally in helping them become more competitive to satellite offerings.

Since we as consumers have mechanisms to enforce our user rights, the most Tivo can do anyway is help us understand what those rights are, and how best to see that our rights are not trampled.

The steps appear to be
  1. Contact the cable provider. If that fails to resolve, then
  2. Contact the local franchise authority. If they have no authority, or the issue is still open then
  3. Contact the FCC

It would be nice if they would provide a service telling us what the process and how to fight the battle ourselves, but we can figure this out for ourselves. Besides, it is not hard to see they are a mouse walking amidst dinosaurs, so it is hard to fault them for being wary about taking such a role.

They have a full set of fronts to fight on, they don't need to pick more battles to fight that we can fight ourselves. One ally that is much less fetterred is the consumer electronics agency. I have contacted them over the issue of assymetrical pricing for content and access fees.
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:07 PM   #21
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Service Electric Rents Cards

According to their website you can buy cards for $125 or lease them for $2.95 a month for each card. A little steep compared to some, but better than paying for something that will probably be out of date in a couple of years.
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Old 12-03-2006, 04:17 AM   #22
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Contact the FCC and complain.

The rule is that Cable Companies will be required to use CableCards for their equipment too - to create a level playing field. Problem is they keep petitioning the FCC to remove that rule or at least push it back a few more years.

Contact the FCC and tell them to hold the line.
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:27 AM   #23
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Question Service Electric Rents Cards

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Could you tell me where it stated that you can rent cablecards on Service Electric's website, as I am very interested in doing this. I went to there website and I could not find anything on renting cablecards.
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According to their website you can buy cards for $125 or lease them for $2.95 a month for each card. A little steep compared to some, but better than paying for something that will probably be out of date in a couple of years.
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Could you tell me where it stated that you can rent cablecards on Service Electric's website, as I am very interested in doing this. I went to there website and I could not find anything on renting cablecards.
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:54 AM   #25
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http://www.sectv.com/cable_card.html

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New! CableCARD

View digital cable television programming without installing an external converter*
SERVICE ELECTRIC OFFERS TWO OPTIONS:

- Purchase the CableCARD from Service Electric for $125.00 and receive a one-year warranty on the CableCARD from the manufacturer. Subscriber will be responsible for replacement after warranty has expired.

- Lease the CableCARD from Service Electric for $2.95 per month. Service Electric will replace any defective CableCARD for the duration of the lease.

A $5.00 digital activation fee will apply for cards picked up in our office. Installation charges apply for cards installed by SECTV personnel. $25.00 security deposit required in PA.

*Television with CableCARD features required.

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Old 12-03-2006, 07:14 PM   #26
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SullyND, Thanks for the info.

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Thanks for the info. The site you gave is a different franchise than the one I'm with out of Sunbury PA, however I will still bring this to there attention and maybe I can use it for leverage.
Thanks, Dan
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Dan, please post back with what you find out. I'm in the process of moving from CT to Warwick township / Pottstown / Chester County, PA and found out that Service Electric (www.secv.com) is the cable company there. When I called them a few days ago they told me the same as you (they sell the cards but don't lease them). I've been contemplating getting a S3 TiVo but adding another $250 to the cost (for the 2 cablecards) is hard to swallow.
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Dan, please post back with what you find out. I'm in the process of moving from CT to Warwick township / Pottstown / Chester County, PA and found out that Service Electric (www.secv.com) is the cable company there. When I called them a few days ago they told me the same as you (they sell the cards but don't lease them). I've been contemplating getting a S3 TiVo but adding another $250 to the cost (for the 2 cablecards) is hard to swallow.
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Yes you do have the same cable provider as I do. I will let you know as soon as I hear from them. My provider said they will all meet in mid december with there other Service Electric branches, and this will be brought up to find out how they want to work this out. I will also keep calling them to get this resolved. It would help If you can call your Service Electric cable supervisor before the meeting to push for a cablecard rental and no second recurring service fees. The more complaints they receive the better the chance they will do something about it.
Thanks, I'll keep you posted, Dan
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Dan, please post back with what you find out. I'm in the process of moving from CT to Warwick township / Pottstown / Chester County, PA and found out that Service Electric (www.secv.com) is the cable company there. When I called them a few days ago they told me the same as you (they sell the cards but don't lease them). I've been contemplating getting a S3 TiVo but adding another $250 to the cost (for the 2 cablecards) is hard to swallow.
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Service Electric called and said 125.00 per card, however there will be no additional monthly service fee for the 2nd card. So I guess I'm going have to dish out 250.00 extra to get the S3.
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Service Electric called and said 125.00 per card, however there will be no additional monthly service fee for the 2nd card. So I guess I'm going have to dish out 250.00 extra to get the S3.
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Out of curiosity, do they provide any kind of warranty on these cards? Quite a few people here reported defective cards or cards going bad after a while. Bad card is not a problem if it is rented, but if you own it - what happens if it goes bad in few months?
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