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10-25-2006, 09:01 AM
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Hey, Mac support for Tivo 2 Go on a Series 3 and I'll still bite.
Not that I'm holding my breath for either.
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10-25-2006, 09:02 AM
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Anyone know if this widget works with the S3?
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10-25-2006, 09:05 AM
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Nope
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10-25-2006, 09:09 AM
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Nope you don't know, or nope it doesn't work?
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10-25-2006, 09:22 AM
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No, it doesn't work. You need the Media Access Key from the TiVo and the S3 doesn't have one yet.
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10-25-2006, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Puppy76
Hey, Mac support for Tivo 2 Go on a Series 3 and I'll still bite.
Not that I'm holding my breath for either.
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If they have Mac Tivo 2 Go before the "free" year of subscription runs out on my S2, I'll be happy.
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10-25-2006, 11:27 AM
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If they have Mac Tivo 2 Go before the "free" year of subscription runs out on my S2, I'll be happy.
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When does that year expire? Jus' curious. 
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10-25-2006, 11:55 AM
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When does that year expire? Jus' curious. |
Well, since I haven't purchased the S3 yet, the clock hasn't started yet 
A bit more prodding with my wife and I'll probably get the S3 next month 
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10-25-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by errandwolfe
I wouldn't be all that impressed. Two things of note in this e-mail that are a big deal...
1. "In various forms". Seems to me you are either working on it or you are not. My interpretation on it is sometimes they have 20 highly skilled programmers working on it and sometimes (most of the time) they have 1 retarded monkey with torrets syndrome locked in a basement with a copy of TTG for Mac and a Beige G3 tower doing all the work.
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I think it means they have tried to approach the problem of providing enough copy protection on the Mac TTG side from various approaches. Basically on the Windows version you have to explicitly break the DMCA by doing something outside of the normal software. I speculate the holdup on Mac TTG is getting to the same result of making sure it is a specific DMCA violation if you get rid of TTG encryption. heck they might have had 3 lawyers trying to write a TOS that would cover it as one of the approaches.
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2. Developing on a Mac is hard because it is a closed system? Give me a freakin break, it is a MUCH more open system then Windows. Anyone ever hear of Darwin? You can get most of the non-GUI code of the OS for free, it is open source!
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they did not mean open source or not. I think they meant how to make sure things can not happen such as simply copying the mpeg stream without touching the encryption during playback. Most likely hard to keep things like that from happening on a Mac that is not designed around such a concept.
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maybe noting that a TiVo representative has no desire to post in the TiVo community forum can get the forum owners to wake up
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PLEASE. Seriously, life is rough enough. Let's make it easy when we can.
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10-25-2006, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cwoody222
4) We do love the Mac community. Really! Please don't hate on us!
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/nitpick: The Denney email didn't say anything about loving the Mac community. 
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10-25-2006, 01:30 PM
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I was referring to:
"I am sorry that you feel we have not paid attention to the Mac community. That is certainly not our intention."
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10-25-2006, 01:39 PM
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A friend of mine just bought his first TiVo. He's a Mac user too.
The world of Mac users is expanding. Bigger market every day. And we do love our TiVos. Lets hope they surprise us soon
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10-25-2006, 02:08 PM
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They seem like such complimentary products too. Especially ironic since 1) They support the iPod. 2) They use Apple technology for their networking stuff, and 3) They're using a Unix-like OS.
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10-25-2006, 03:01 PM
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Well here we are in what could be termed late 2006 and still no signs of TTG for Macs.
They blame Apple and everyone else for the hold ups but themselves.
We haven't seen any proof (pointers to filings, documentation or otherwise) so how are we to now believe TiVo is telling us the truth.
Track record shows they just dangle the Carrot, but we can no longer see the Carrot.
Until someone comes on this forum and shows any Beta pictures on a Mac or someone from TiVo comes on this Forum with a release date (and sorry, early, mid, late some year or other don't cut it anymore), I'll just believe TTG on the Mac is dead and TiVo are liers to try and convince us otherwise.
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10-26-2006, 06:01 AM
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How 'bout some RECENT pictures!
I've looked at those a ton of times and I just realized... isn't it weird that NONE of them show playback?
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10-26-2006, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by cwoody222
How 'bout some RECENT pictures!
I've looked at those a ton of times and I just realized... isn't it weird that NONE of them show playback?
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There's a window showing a "Playhouse Disney" logo in the background of some of them, also a program info "Little_Einsteins_Farmer_Annie_DISNP_..." that appears to be the active playlist item in one. They also show the files as plain mpegs, not .tivo files(ergo they had mpeg2 playback working months ago). In any event, static photographs of playing video are boring. I would have preferred seeing the program directory, config panes, and/or preference files, vs. seeing a picture of a disney show.
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10-26-2006, 07:54 AM
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I imagine the shipping version will playback differently than the one shown at CES. I assume they had unencrypted MPEG-2 files on the drive to be played back via the shown VLC (since QT is notoriously bad with MPEG2).
When Denney said "We are working through the issues we have encountered. They are not simple to solve given the needs that we balance in TiVoToGo." I assume the needs he is referring to are keeping the file encrypted while on the Mac (as it is on the PC) to protect the content owners (and/or to protect themselves from the content owners). They probably want to build an engine that decrypts the file on the fly (leaving the file itself locked down) during playback as they do on Windows. Then it'll be up to us to figure out how to bypass it... |
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10-26-2006, 08:25 AM
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I imagine the shipping version will playback differently than the one shown at CES. I assume they had unencrypted MPEG-2 files on the drive to be played back via the shown VLC (since QT is notoriously bad with MPEG2).
When Denney said "We are working through the issues we have encountered. They are not simple to solve given the needs that we balance in TiVoToGo." I assume the needs he is referring to are keeping the file encrypted while on the Mac (as it is on the PC) to protect the content owners (and/or to protect themselves from the content owners). They probably want to build an engine that decrypts the file on the fly (leaving the file itself locked down) during playback as they do on Windows. Then it'll be up to us to figure out how to bypass it... |
There is something about using the words "Shipping Version" and "TiVo ToGo Mac" after 2 years that just feels like a bad tease.
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10-26-2006, 09:35 AM
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ZeoTiVo wrote: "I think they meant how to make sure things can not happen such as simply copying the mpeg stream without touching the encryption during playback. Most likely hard to keep things like that from happening on a Mac that is not designed around such a concept.
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You mean like you can on a Windows machine with the Direct Show filters. There are methods posted all over the internet about how to strip the DRM off the .tivo files. The only caveat is that you have to be on a Windows machine to do it, presumably because the Tivo software actually does the decrypting and then the file is saved with no DRM left.
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10-26-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by davezatz
I imagine the shipping version will playback differently than the one shown at CES. I assume they had unencrypted MPEG-2 files on the drive to be played back via the shown VLC (since QT is notoriously bad with MPEG2).
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How so? The files I grab off my hacked DTiVo's play perfectly fine in Quicktime Player with the MPEG2 plugin. No glitches whatsoever.
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10-26-2006, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Quevar
You mean like you can on a Windows machine with the Direct Show filters. There are methods posted all over the internet about how to strip the DRM off the .tivo files. The only caveat is that you have to be on a Windows machine to do it, presumably because the Tivo software actually does the decrypting and then the file is saved with no DRM left.
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ah - but all of that is specifically doing something extra to bypass the encryption. The simple programs out there for .tivo files on wondows actually subclass a directshow filter class to pull the mpeg through vs the typical push the mpeg to a player the filter does normally. The other method essentially uses commercial software to do the same thing but it is a multistep process that is not the normal use.
This keeps TiVo or Microsoft off the hook and anyone who starts to do damage by sharing out too much stuff or whatever can be forced to stop under DMCA provisions so the copyright holder has a simple method for enforcement.
My understanding is that a Mac was designed to be easy to work with first, so it is possible that by doing standard things you can save the .TiVo file to an unencrypted mpeg file. TiVo has to find a way around that to feel safe from copyright holders.
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10-26-2006, 11:09 AM
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How so? The files I grab off my hacked DTiVo's play perfectly fine in Quicktime Player with the MPEG2 plugin. No glitches whatsoever.
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Aside fromt he extra cost, it doesn't handle all MPEG-2. It's been talked about here on the forum and the web at large...
From Apple's FAQ:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/mpeg2/faq.html
Can transport streams be played?
The MPEG-2 specification defines two forms of data streams, program streams and transport streams. Each is optimized for a different set of applications and environments. The QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component will play program streams, which combine audio and video streams that share a common timeline and are suited for applications with software processing. Playback of transport streams, which combine audio and video with independent time bases, is not supported.
Can the QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component play back AC3 audio?
No, MPEG-2 files containing AC3 audio cannot be played back with the QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component.
Can I use the MPEG-2 Playback Component to de-multiplex (i.e., de-mux) multiplexed streams?
While multiplexed streams can be played back with the QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component, de-multiplexing of these streams is not supported.
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10-26-2006, 11:12 AM
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Apple needs to seriously update that. It's bad enough they charge for it. Seems like it could just use the same license as the DVD player is using (seems like it should be the same software too...)
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10-26-2006, 02:26 PM
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How so? The files I grab off my hacked DTiVo's play perfectly fine in Quicktime Player with the MPEG2 plugin. No glitches whatsoever.
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It's a PITA to code for, because its different than everything else in QuickTime (when there's documentation for it at all, that is.)
Apple's own applications (the iLife suite, anyway) have very poor support for MPEG2, at least in part because of this.
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10-26-2006, 02:41 PM
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10-26-2006, 05:27 PM
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TVDuo is compatible with the DVT-T standard, and works in most European and Asian countries, according to Miglia.
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It won't work in the US.
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10-26-2006, 05:38 PM
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From the linked article:It won't work in the US.
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details, details
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10-26-2006, 09:38 PM
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That's the Pre-Alpha Version shown at CES earlier this year when we was told mid-2006 (if you read this link).
If it's in Beta now shouldn't someone from TiVo who frequent this forum (or not so frequent lately apparently) speak up and give us hope not all is lost?
It has to be at Beta 3 by now?
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10-26-2006, 10:08 PM
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Who said it's in Beta now?
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