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04-03-2006, 12:20 PM
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Tivo - receives CableLabs verification
Big milestone for the S3 ...
http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf
CableLabs Certified, Verified, and Self-Verified Cable Products
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Tivo TCD648250A STB Verified
Last edited by dt_dc : 04-03-2006 at 12:41 PM.
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04-03-2006, 12:35 PM
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Awesome! I'm sure this is one of the major unknowns in the process and it's good to have it over and done with. I wonder if they'll release any details such as whether or not they approved TTG and MRV of encrypted content?
Dan
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04-03-2006, 12:36 PM
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sweet!!!! Can't hardly wait.
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04-03-2006, 12:45 PM
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This is indeed a very large milestone.
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause. 
Second half of 2006.
Cheers,
Pony
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04-03-2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause. |
<applause>
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Second half of 2006.
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What you can't tighten that up a little now? 
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04-03-2006, 12:51 PM
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Great news, good job!
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04-03-2006, 12:52 PM
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Fanboi.. So what?
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And the model number tooo...
TCD648250A .... Neat.
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04-03-2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
This is indeed a very large milestone.
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause.
Second half of 2006.
Cheers,
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*** Plans and throws the S3 team a wild party ***
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04-03-2006, 01:01 PM
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04-03-2006, 01:04 PM
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Hmmm.... The new dual tuner Series 2 unit is a TCD649180 and this is a TCD648250A. With only one number different in model number it would suggest, at least histoically, that they have very similar hardware platforms. Which means it's very possible they use the same encoder/decoder chip, which means that the new DT unit could not only do MPEG-4 but might also be able to downres HD content transfered from a S3 via MRV. (of course that's just speculation and I could also be completely wrong  )
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04-03-2006, 01:08 PM
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This is indeed a very large milestone.
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause. |
Congrats! TiVo rocks!
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Second half of 2006.
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Calendar or fiscal '06?
Which half of the second half?
Thanks guys,
-Matt
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04-03-2006, 01:09 PM
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Fanboi.. So what?
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Dan:
Good detective work man.. I hope you're right!
J
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04-03-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
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No offense ... I must admit this surprised me. I was personally 'interpreting' the second half '06 comments as meaning Tivo had failed CW41 and was having to re-submit for CW43. Alot of very big, very technical companies don't pass their first CableLabs CW ...
Note: CableLabs Test Wave schedules can be found here:
http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downlo...6_TestWave.pdf
And just in case people are curious about the testing process ...
http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downlo...I05-040629.pdf
http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/
A deserved applause for the S3 team indeed ... and not just the techies.
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04-03-2006, 01:13 PM
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I thought the unit was to have a 300 gig HD am I remembering wrong? witht the 250 at the end I would guess that means 250 gig. Could be a Beta unit and the production unit will be 300.
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04-03-2006, 01:19 PM
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I thought the unit was to have a 300 gig HD am I remembering wrong? witht the 250 at the end I would guess that means 250 gig. Could be a Beta unit and the production unit will be 300.
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They mistakenly reported it as a 300GB unit at CES. However TiVoPony later corrected the report and said that it would actually have a 250GB drive. Although with the eSATA port you could easily add another 500GB and have a unit that holds about 80 hours of HD content.
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04-03-2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause.
Second half of 2006. |
Nice job, all involved.
Pony, make sure your lawyers know about this -- E* has been making a big deal about how you didn't introduce any new products last year (despite a fairly steady stream of service enhancements). You've got two new boxes this year, the wireless adapter, and some major service enhancements -- play 'em up.
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04-03-2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan203
I wonder if they'll release any details such as whether or not they approved TTG and MRV of encrypted content?
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CableLabs keeps their lists of "approved outputs" pretty current. It's part of their licensing agreement(s):
http://www.opencable.com/downloads/CHILA.pdf
http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downlo...ch_License.pdf
Basically, any encrypted content can only be output following the guidelines / technologies listed in the above document. Nothing real useful there to Tivo yet. So far the only things I see that could really be used for TTG/MRV would be:
DTCP - Although so far they've only approved 1394/DTCP which would seem a bit limiting. DTCP-IP would seem like a good way to go ... but DTCP-IP hasn't been technically approved yet AFAIK.
WMDRM - If you can't fight 'em ... join 'em.
An approved technology that just recently showed up as approved ... and that I know absolutely nothing about ...
Encentrus CPDO - no clue what that's about :
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...85&newsLang=en
So anyway, for TTG/MRV for encrypted / protected content ... Tivo is either 1) going to have to use one of the approved technologies from the license agreement or 2) submit a technology of their own and get it aprroved or 3) get someone else to submit a technology they want to use and get it approved.
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04-03-2006, 02:13 PM
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TiVo already got TiVoGuard approved as a content protection protocol by the FCC, right?
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04-03-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause.
Cheers,
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Congrats Series3 team! 
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04-03-2006, 02:17 PM
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TiVo already got TiVoGuard approved as a content protection protocol by the FCC, right?
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As an approved output for content marked with the broadcast flag ... yes. However, that really doesn't mean squat to CableLabs.
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04-03-2006, 03:09 PM
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The next question to be answered is:
Will cable companies actively support this TiVo?
Instead of promoting their own substandard versions?
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04-03-2006, 03:15 PM
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The next question to be answered is:
Will cable companies actively support this TiVo?
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Doesn't really matter. All they need to do is give you a cablecard, which they must do by law. No other support is needed.
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04-03-2006, 03:29 PM
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The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause. |
We heartily agree. Please give them all the clap on our behalf.
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tivo want to earn a "dual moon" holiday
YO Tivo get the series 3 out by july and the non hd dual tuners by may 1 and you can give yourselves another holiday each year ok.
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04-03-2006, 03:50 PM
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Congrats to the Series 3 gang, absolutely.
Now.... gimme?
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04-03-2006, 04:06 PM
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Simply OUTSTANDING!! Bring on the S3
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getting closer...
Getting closer....
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Anyone know the difference between "Certified" and "Verified"?
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04-03-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause.
Second half of 2006. |
Hell, I'll give you all a big round of applause NOW if you tell us more about the Series3.
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
This is indeed a very large milestone.
There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.
The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause.
Second half of 2006.
Cheers,
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