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11-21-2005, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by maxplanar
A survey here, though decidely unscientific, might give us some vague ballpark? Has that been done?
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The MacWorld estimate of the Mac-using TiVo base was 15%.
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11-21-2005, 10:58 AM
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Funkadelic
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Originally Posted by rjcrum
maintains the DRM of the TiVo show by digitally watermarking the converted file with your MAK
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Not exactly... it utilizes TiVo's dll to remove the encryption and add it's own copy protection by adding that MAK watermark. I know I'm splitting hairs here, but "circumventing" encryption could be illegal according to the DMCA though perhaps permissable under "fair use" - who knows! It seems clear these things violate our terms of service... But I don't think anyone will come after us for making personal copies. 
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11-21-2005, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Arcady
I can already transfer video from my DirecTiVo to my video iPod with a single click. Why would I pay somebody for this?
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Please elaborate! 
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11-21-2005, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gastrof
I like the PSP part. Much more sturdy looking a gadget than an iPod.
Of course, series 1 owners can't make use of this...
Or can we?
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Yes, if it's hacked. Do a google for ETIVO.
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11-21-2005, 11:03 AM
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For Personal Use only, of course. I happen to be a big proponent of fair use, and see no reason why I shouldn't be able to move and playback any audio or video content that I have legally acquired, in the sphere of my own home, on any device of my choosing.
I'm not a lawbreaker. I'm just a consumer who believes that I should have the right to enjoy my entertainment when and where I want, on devices of my own choosing.
My daughter likes being able to watch SpongeBob SquarePants on her iPod!
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11-21-2005, 11:26 AM
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It's sad, but it is not in Apple's interests to be helpful. Do you think Jobs wants to make it easy for people to load free video onto an iPod that he is trying to sell for $1.99? Think about it. Apple has even threatenned companies with lawsuits for their attempts to sell media that would play on an iPod. Jobs doesn't want any other fish in his pond and up until now he has been pretty good at keeping others out. You want better fluidity of media onto Apple platforms?
Write Jobs a letter. First, ask him to put real Mpeg2 support into Quicktime.
Secondly, ask him to license Fairplay. He has even been taken to court to force him to license Fairplay so they could sell music with protection (those suing lost). When Realnetworks figured out how to write pseudo Fairplay files, Jobs stated the next rev of iPod software would break RealNetworks's "scheme" to support iPods. And surprise, surprise- he made good on that threat.
Jobs even threatenned Realnetworks with a lawsuit for trying to support iPods with protected content.
Your letter asking Jobs to be fair and not lock out other providers of video is basically asking him to allow direct competitors to his iTunes service.
Job's business model is: make money on the razor blade handle (iPod), make money on the razors (iTunes). The only DRM that works on iPod is fairplay, and by refusing to license it, he locks out most third party music and video vendors. Jobs likes the idea of $1.99, 320x240 video, extremely limited selection and DRM.
A million people in 20 days thought that was a great idea.
That is, until a ballsy company like Tivo comes along and presents a different idea- How about no DRM (watermark only), any res you like, unlimited selection and Free videos?
The Tivo guys are leading the charge- they are a bunch of heroes in my book, and this feature is just another example of it.
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11-21-2005, 11:27 AM
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Does anyone know a good program to cut the commercials out? I tried the TVHarmony option but it doesn't work very well.
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11-21-2005, 11:29 AM
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VideoRedo is awesomely fast. Highly recommended. www.videoredo.com
I used to do it a lot, but as fast as videoredo is, I found I am pretty lazy about cutting commercials. 95% of my 900 tivo archived movies have all the commercials intact. |
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11-21-2005, 11:31 AM
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Sorry, I forgot to specify that I was looking for a good 'free' program to do this.
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11-21-2005, 11:34 AM
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There is an automatic commercial detector you can enable in one of the free tools available on Doom9. Don't recall which one offhand. Maybe someone here does.
It's sensitivity is adjustable but still is a little dicey though and can mistakenly cut non commercials.
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11-21-2005, 11:36 AM
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To follow-up with Justin's thoughts on the market, here's an excerpt from an Ars article:
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How will the content industry react? Privately, I expect many of the big players are fuming. We can probably add Steve Jobs to the hoppin' mad list, because TiVo is not only looking to cash in on the popularity of the iPod, but they're doing it both without Apple's permission and right in the face of Apple's iTunes Music Store. Apple may sell a few more iPods as a result, but Apple's complete business model centrally locates the iTunes Music Store in the user experience. We've all heard the ruminations on how Apple makes so very little off of music and video sales. Their stature and stock price suggest otherwise. So do the actions of the content industry.
Indeed, as companies like Disney and NBC are venturing into ways to monetize content (a good sign that the business is not the black hole people think it is), TiVo is hoping to position itself as a product that can kill two birds with one stone. Get access to shows you can't normally watch by recording them with a DVR, and tap into the two most highly-visible mobile players out there and say, "hey, look, you don't have to pay for that show."
On the one hand, we have studios, technology companies, and politicians trying to convince us that TV is not only something that you pay for (unless you're the bunny ears type), but something that you pay even more for if you miss an original broadcast. The hope is that we'll look at $0.99 and $1.99 price tags on shows and think, "that's convenient, that's fair." On the other hand, those of us with DVRs find the idea of paying more for a TV show ridiculous. While it angers certain people when I do this, let me point out that a $60 cable+TiVo bill can get you a few hundred channels beyond the big networks, and something to the tune of 720 hours of content (more if you have dual tuners), but in Appleland, it only gets you 30 shows. There's much more to this comparison, but you get point: most of us already pay for TV, and not everyone wants to pay for select shows twice.
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11-21-2005, 11:39 AM
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I don't mind doing the cutting myself... I'd almost prefer that so there aren't any mistakes.
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11-21-2005, 11:45 AM
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Now I really wish Apple would have bought TiVo!
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11-21-2005, 11:46 AM
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I've been playing with the autotranscoding in galleon on an apple, and it would be great if this new functionality was documented in an API and I could get video onto my new ipod using my mac.
Are you sure that bribery won't work to get me in the beta? If not, when will the beta questionnaire be updated with a question about 5G iPods?
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11-21-2005, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Justin Thyme
It's sad, but it is not in Apple's interests to be helpful. Do you think Jobs wants to make it easy for people to load free video onto an iPod that he is trying to sell for $1.99?
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First & foremost, Apple sells hardware. I believe this would help Apple sell more video capable iPod’s. I for one would be more interested in upgrading if I could watch programs on other TV’s. Look how Apple has embraced Podcasting and Audio Books for examples of other people providing content.
Your issues with Fairplay ignore the underlying goal, selling iPods. Apple wants people who purchase music to be locked into iPods when they choose to upgrade. A look at Apple’s revenue would indicate that Jobs is making the right calls.
-murray
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11-21-2005, 12:39 PM
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TiVo Forum Special Member
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Regarding the Macintosh...
Yes, we intend to support it, but not in the February release. Macintosh support for the new features announced today is planned for mid-2006.
Pony
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11-21-2005, 12:44 PM
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There's a lot of complaining by Tivo users about the lack of Mac functionality - and I'm not saying it's not justified.
For me, the bigger issue is the lack of Tivo functionality for a large portion of TIVO owners - DirecTivo owners. Tivo reports these subscribers as Tivo subscribers - and still here's YET ANOTHER great feature that we won't be able to use.
Very frustrating...
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11-21-2005, 12:50 PM
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Ok wondering what the big news here is, I have been transferring stuff to my
video iPod since I got it from my Tivo using Tivotogo and Tvharmony (on the windows machine) and Galleon and Direct show dump (using vitural pc) on my mac.
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11-21-2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by murrays
Your issues with Fairplay ignore the underlying goal, selling iPods. Apple wants people who purchase music to be locked into iPods when they choose to upgrade. A look at Apple’s revenue would indicate that Jobs is making the right calls.
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All you are doing is quibbling over the motivation. The important point you accept is that Apple is using DRM to lock out competitors. It doesn't matter the exact reason that it is in Jobs' interest to throw roadblocks in the way of other providers of video and music.
Having a Tivo supply free video removes Apple's lock in. If you own a video iPod today and 4 months later decide the 2.5 inch screen really isn't cutting it anymore, well- next time around you can move your video over to an Archos, or a iRiver. (BTW- for a music player check out the CNET downloaded Tivo show- very cool UI and alarm clock/ speaker docking station.)
The biproduct is that Apple's DRM policy provides a legal shield to Tivo. Content guys can only sue if the party has not taken reasonably available steps to protect the content. Apple has made it impossible to protect video content with DRM and in any case they are doing better than all of the carriers. The cableco decodes its video and sends it out analog lines that anyone can use to make digital copies using a PC. Tivo is actually doing a better job that the cablecos are by putting in watermarking. If macrovision at some future date requires via its licensing to put digital markers in Mpeg4 files, then Tivo will start doing that as well.
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11-21-2005, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cooper
There's a lot of complaining by Tivo users about the lack of Mac functionality - and I'm not saying it's not justified.
For me, the bigger issue is the lack of Tivo functionality for a large portion of TIVO owners - DirecTivo owners. Tivo reports these subscribers as Tivo subscribers - and still here's YET ANOTHER great feature that we won't be able to use.
Very frustrating...
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Those features could work on your DIRECTV DVR with TiVo. DIRECTV has chosen not to make those features available. It is not up to TiVo.
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11-21-2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
Regarding the Macintosh...
Yes, we intend to support it, but not in the February release. Macintosh support for the new features announced today is planned for mid-2006.
Pony
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Wow. WoW. Wow. This is getting very interesting.
(edited for clarity of emotion.)
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11-21-2005, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TiVoPony
Regarding the Macintosh...
Yes, we intend to support it, but not in the February release. Macintosh support for the new features announced today is planned for mid-2006.
Pony
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thank you.
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11-21-2005, 01:32 PM
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TiVo going portable! (sort of)
Maybe I missed the news in another thread. Huzzah for TiVo!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051121/tv_nm/tivo_dc
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TiVo Inc. on Monday said it will begin testing a feature in the coming weeks to let some subscribers transfer recorded television programming to Apple iPod digital music players or Sony's PlayStation portable devices...
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11-21-2005, 01:34 PM
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That would be enough to send the video iPod to the top of my Christmas list... except that I own a DirecTiVo and do 99% of my computing on a Mac. D'oh!
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11-21-2005, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin Thyme
All you are doing is quibbling over the motivation. The important point you accept is that Apple is using DRM to lock out competitors. It doesn't matter the exact reason that it is in Jobs' interest to throw roadblocks in the way of other providers of video and music.
Having a Tivo supply free video removes Apple's lock in. If you own a video iPod today and 4 months later decide the 2.5 inch screen really isn't cutting it anymore, well- next time around you can move your video over to an Archos, or a iRiver. (BTW- for a music player check out the CNET downloaded Tivo show- very cool UI and alarm clock/ speaker docking station.)
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First, Apple does nothing to stop Podcasts from playing on iPods. In fact, they embrace the added content. They are hardly throwing “roadblocks in the way of other providers” in this case!
Second, Apple has no “lock in” regarding video. Unlike music, only a small percentage of TV video content is paid for and iTMS is not going to change that. You can’t legally acquire music of your choosing without paying a direct fee. Video, OTOH, is freely available over the air. Free content will instantly make the new iPod more attractive.
The only way I see Apple blocking this is if they have their own DVR functionality in the works.
-murray
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11-21-2005, 01:36 PM
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Replace "ipod" with "PSP" and they've got themselves a winner for me. I still like the form factor of the PSP for viewing video better.
Having said that, though. It still might be enough to UMF me into an ipod video.
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11-21-2005, 01:36 PM
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Yikes, the UMF for a Video iPod is getting stronger and stronger. 
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11-21-2005, 01:38 PM
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Phileas Fogg-lodyte
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It does work for PSP, Ed!
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11-21-2005, 01:38 PM
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11-21-2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by edhara
Replace "ipod" with "PSP" and they've got themselves a winner for me. I still like the form factor of the PSP for viewing video better.
Having said that, though. It still might be enough to UMF me into an ipod video.
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There is a thread in the TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion forum. They indicated it would be for PSP or Ipod.
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