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Old 06-16-2014, 06:43 AM   #121
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Because Gordon was involved in extracting the BIOS info directly from the IBM equipment, so if he was involved in creating Cardiff's BIOS, IBM would be able to claim copyright infringement. But if they can claim that Cameron created a new BIOS without ever seeing the extracted IBM BIOS, then they have a defense to an infringement claim.


This was long before laptops. This was when you had a machine that was basically the size of a suitcase and the front folded open to reveal a keyboard and a tiny little monochrome screen.




That was the results of the reverse engineering that Joe and Gordon did. So in order for Cardiff to claim that Cameron made her BIOS on her own, she can't look at that code.
Thanks. I was close but not quite getting the reasoning.

We used to have a "pc" computer in 1991. All I remember is that it was big and clunky and white. I thought it had a 'handle' but not sure.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:41 AM   #122
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Now that the third episode has aired, and the show's current focus is on the mounting emotional pressure, I find I'm enjoying the show more.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:31 AM   #123
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Now that the third episode has aired, and the show's current focus is on the mounting emotional pressure, I find I'm enjoying the show more.
Agreed. Third episode was the best one so far... And Joe's, um, "actions" at the dinner party were a surprise.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:37 AM   #124
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Agreed. Third episode was the best one so far... And Joe's, um, "actions" at the dinner party were a surprise.
And I don't quite understand how his actions impacted the funding situation...
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:19 AM   #125
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And I don't quite understand how his actions impacted the funding situation...
Joe didn't want to partner with the rich lady and made that very clear during dinner, but then she went around him and got his boss to approve the deal anyway. So he then went and cheated with her boy-toy, and came out and with a look on his face that said everything. Basically, Joe made it clear that he wasn't going to play ball with her, so she was smart to kick them to the curb.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:23 AM   #126
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Thanks for this thread. I grabbed the first three episodes and did a mini-binge.

I'm in. I like the premise and characters. The era is very close to when I started my engineering career, but I find I don't care much about the technical accuracy of the whole reverse engineering thing. This is just good summer viewing fun.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:17 PM   #127
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Joe didn't want to partner with the rich lady and made that very clear during dinner, but then she went around him and got his boss to approve the deal anyway. So he then went and cheated with her boy-toy, and came out and with a look on his face that said everything. Basically, Joe made it clear that he wasn't going to play ball with her, so she was smart to kick them to the curb.
OK...I guess. I just don't see exactly how him messing around with her lackey would negatively affect the business deal. Maybe I'm oblivious....
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:57 PM   #128
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OK...I guess. I just don't see exactly how him messing around with her lackey would negatively affect the business deal. Maybe I'm oblivious....
He wasn't her lackey, he was her husband/boyfriend/lover. So Joe was basically sending a message that if she was going to go around him to Joe's boss and still do the deal, then Joe was going to go around her to mess with her. Not a good way to start off a financial relationship.
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He wasn't her lackey, he was her husband/boyfriend/lover. So Joe was basically sending a message that if she was going to go around him to Joe's boss and still do the deal, then Joe was going to go around her to mess with her. Not a good way to start off a financial relationship.
Hmmm....I didn't get that relationship between the two of them at all. Like I said....oblivous!
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:50 PM   #130
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Blue LEDs are a 90's invention. White LEDs are a late 90's, early nauties.

The 80s have red, yellow and green LEDs. Though, the "green" was a rather sickly yellow-green color - the greens improved through the late 80s and the really nice deep greens were early 90s. I remember playing with a bunch of these LEDs back then. (And the original IBM PC was released in 1981, so reverse engineering happened far later).
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So I'm vindicated, because Gordon definitely had white LEDs and clear red LEDs on the breadboard.
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I haven't even watched yet and can tell you. Gordon was "contaminated" by having seen the actual IBM BIOS and source code. That's why I say that those two could never be in the same room, or city, for that matter.
Disassembly, not source code. (Though I admit at assembly level those are pretty darn close to each other.. but you don't have comments, user-given label names, etc..)
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:36 PM   #132
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I pretty much figured for this show the threads would be a lot of 'this isn't right, that isn't right' about the technical stuff, and I'm just not interested in any of that.
That's funny, because for this show, I think that level of comment, even though I have been a part of it, has been actually pretty tame..
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:27 PM   #133
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Man I love this show!!!
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:02 AM   #134
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So I'm vindicated, because Gordon definitely had white LEDs and clear red LEDs on the breadboard.
Yeah, neither would be in the early 80's.

In fact, if one were doing a ROM dump that way (which is idiotic), the old style colored LEDs work best - you don't want clear LEDs, the color LEDs help show where there are LEDs and then it's just a matter of seeing "on" and "off". In fact, it would make the circuit a lot more compact.

Anyhow, you wouldn't need a ROM dumper or anything - the PC itself can read that ROM chip out for you plain and simple since it's always mapped into the last 64K of the available memory space (the x86 boots at 0xF:FFF0 - 16 bytes from end of memory). A lot of these tricks were used to hack the original Xbox, too.

As for portable computers, the early 80s had the "luggables" - PCs you carried with huge handles to which you could carry it around. Gordon mocked, but considering you're talking about a $5000+ machine, being able to carry it home meant you could work at home instead of driving to the office.

Of course, the Mac, and in the latter half of the 80s, Toshiba meant "luggables" got a lot smaller (the Mac was inherently portable and many companies made carry bags for that purpose). Toshiba released the T1100/T3100 laptops in 1986, dooming luggables as the Toshibas were way more portable (sure they were 3" thick and about 12" square, but they were also only about 16lbs, and had a BUILT IN BATTERY. Yes, you could use this thing away from the plug! Of course, the traditional clamshell design for laptops came later. (I can't remember who started it, but Apple copied it for the Mac Powerbook 100, considered to be one of the nicest portable machines at the time).
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Show is OK for me so far. I wish they would stop playing that awful early 80's punk music every time they show Cameron. The only thing that could be worse is if they start playing a bunch of whiny David Byrne stuff.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:29 PM   #136
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Show is OK for me so far. I wish they would stop playing that awful early 80's punk music every time they show Cameron. The only thing that could be worse is if they start playing a bunch of whiny David Byrne stuff.
I'm not the only one who hates her "theme" music.
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Add me as one who hate the music they're picking whenever Cameron is on screen. Maybe that stuff was popular then and I'm just a few years to young to recognize it, but to me it comes across as "we can't afford to license real 80s music that anyone would recognize, so we're making her be into some really alternate punk."
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I don't like some of the music, but at least one or two of the songs I thought were entertaining.. I didn't bother to look them up, but at least they're *different* songs than you hear in most period stuff. (My best example -- can you see any documentary or drama set in the 1960s and NOT hear "For What It's Worth"? I actually REALLY like the song, too..)
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:50 PM   #139
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Dropped the season pass. Never got into the any of the characters and story.

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Old 06-18-2014, 07:18 AM   #140
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Show is OK for me so far. I wish they would stop playing that awful early 80's punk music every time they show Cameron. The only thing that could be worse is if they start playing a bunch of whiny David Byrne stuff.
I used "Shazam" on one song, and it's NEW, not from the '80s.

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I'm giving this one more episode and I'm gone. It's a snooze fest. They are trying to make this a character study, like Mad Men, only either the characters are really boring or they are taking WAY too much time to flesh them out. I just don't care to learn their back stories at this point already. The only one I find remotely interesting is the blonde engineer. But she's a horrible actress. She reacts to everything exactly the same way.
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:03 AM   #142
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And she has crappy music. I ffwd'd through her "solo" scenes because of the music.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:42 AM   #143
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I'm giving this one more episode and I'm gone. It's a snooze fest. They are trying to make this a character study, like Mad Men, only either the characters are really boring or they are taking WAY too much time to flesh them out. I just don't care to learn their back stories at this point already. The only one I find remotely interesting is the blonde engineer. But she's a horrible actress. She reacts to everything exactly the same way.
I like the Gordon/wife back story and hope that she gets into the design. I think that was hinted at with her showing Gordon how to do the motherboard on top of each other.

The others are pretty boring. The blonde chick is like a really really bad version of the blonde chick in Some Kind of Wonderful. Which is okay since it is set in the 80's I guess.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:17 PM   #144
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I'm still watching, but I have to say the whole thing seems so disjointed so far.
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I'm giving this one more episode and I'm gone. It's a snooze fest. They are trying to make this a character study, like Mad Men, only either the characters are really boring or they are taking WAY too much time to flesh them out. I just don't care to learn their back stories at this point already. The only one I find remotely interesting is the blonde engineer. But she's a horrible actress. She reacts to everything exactly the same way.
I agree 100% and am kind of disappointed in it. Yeah I knew it could not be all about the technical stuff as it would be way over the heads of normal people. And yeah I knew whatever technical stuff would be mostly wrong so that they could make it more dramatic. But the characters ARE boring the story is moving very slowly. I'll probably stick with it for now but I do hope it gets better!

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P. S. Lawsuit or not if I were the boss of the company and saw how the salesman guy (Lee Pace) backed it into a corner and how he keeps trying to force the company to do things that may be questionable, I would beat the crap out of him!!!
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:20 PM   #146
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I'm feeling the same way. I wanted this show to be better than it is. It has some interesting elements, but it's kind of a Mad Men knockoff combined with a bad 80's movie.

I'm going to keep watching, for now. Mostly because without Game of Thrones and Fargo, I need something else to watch.
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I like the Gordon/wife back story and hope that she gets into the design. I think that was hinted at with her showing Gordon how to do the motherboard on top of each other.
Yeah, she seems like she could be a good hardware engineer.
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I think she was introduced as being a rather experienced hardware engineer - they're at least equals in skill I believe. (They worked together on that computer they designed).

She's also cool under pressure - between the kids, the broken speak and spell, etc.
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I agree 100% and am kind of disappointed in it. Yeah I knew it could not be all about the technical stuff as it would be way over the heads of normal people. And yeah I knew whatever technical stuff would be mostly wrong so that they could make it more dramatic. But the characters ARE boring the story is moving very slowly. I'll probably stick with it for now but I do hope it gets better!

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P. S. Lawsuit or not if I were the boss of the company and saw how the salesman guy (Lee Pace) backed it into a corner and how he keeps trying to force the company to do things that may be questionable, I would beat the crap out of him!!!
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I would have fired his butt the second that he sensed that this was going to be trouble. I'd have at least hired a lawyer to figure out if it legally made sense. And the fact that the Lee Pace character was new, and came in and completely screwed up the company (at least at this point, obviously, we know the outcome was that PC Clones were immensely popular and profitable).


I spoilered the above since this isn't the series thread (or the episode thread). People might be reading having not watched yet.
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...and what the heck did the BIRD add to this story so far? I did not like that at all!
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