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Old 04-11-2014, 12:04 PM   #61
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After watching last nights Law and Order: SVU I would say the William Lewis character ranks up there.
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:30 PM   #62
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:35 PM   #63
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:51 PM   #64
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To be the greatest villain, I think they need to be the star of show - I can only really think of J.R. Ewing as a great villain star.
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:28 PM   #65
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To be the greatest villain, I think they need to be the star of show
That's a rather peculiar opinion, as it is so constraining to be rather unrealistic.

If you ask me, one sign of a great villain is that, if not for the constraints of television storytelling, that he/she/it could have a realistic chance of defeating the main character(s) of the show.
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:37 PM   #66
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To be the greatest villain, I think they need to be the star of show - I can only really think of J.R. Ewing as a great villain star.
How about Gilligan? The show was even named after him.

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Old 04-12-2014, 01:57 AM   #67
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That's a rather peculiar opinion, as it is so constraining to be rather unrealistic.

If you ask me, one sign of a great villain is that, if not for the constraints of television storytelling, that he/she/it could have a realistic chance of defeating the main character(s) of the show.
That's not a bad alternative way to look at it.

But I really think being the star is key - if we went into theater rather than television, I'd argue that in Jesus Christ Superstar, Judas qualifies because objectively he is the lead.
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:59 AM   #68
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How about Gilligan? The show was even named after him.
Well he does keep the good guys trapped on that island as effectively as any conventional villain could.
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Old 04-12-2014, 07:19 AM   #70
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Old 04-12-2014, 09:11 AM   #71
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Well he does keep the good guys trapped on that island as effectively as any conventional villain could.
Exactly. That was my point.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:18 AM   #72
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:50 AM   #74
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Old 04-12-2014, 12:39 PM   #75
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I agree. Characters like Walter White or Tony Soprano definitely aren't villains in the traditional sense. Yes, they are criminals, but they are also the shows' protagonists.
What about Frank Underwood?
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:44 PM   #76
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What about Frank Underwood?
He may be a sociopath, but I wouldn't call him a villain. Again, it boils down to the fact that he is the show's protagonist. Because of this, "anti-hero" seems like a more fitting label.
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He may be a sociopath, but I wouldn't call him a villain. Again, it boils down to the fact that he is the show's protagonist. Because of this, "anti-hero" seems like a more fitting label.
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I'm not sure if I'm rooting for him or not. I don't want him to get caught, but I know he deserves to spend a long time in jail.

ETA: After having a senior moment and spelling "rooting" as "routing" I decided I better check to make sure I got the right one.

I found this definition in the Urban Dictionary with interesting anecdote.

"In America it means cheering, in Australia it means f**king.

Jim Courier, the American tennis player, was commenting on a match for Australian television. A female player was close to victory on court, while the players for the next match wanted her to close out the match so they could get on court. Courier, "There's two guys in the locker room rooting loudly for her."

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Old 04-12-2014, 05:35 PM   #78
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He may be a sociopath, but I wouldn't call him a villain. Again, it boils down to the fact that he is the show's protagonist. Because of this, "anti-hero" seems like a more fitting label.
Having premeditatedly "offed" 2 people certainly qualifies him as a villain by my definition.
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How about Gilligan? The show was even named after him.
How can you possibly call our 'little buddy' a villain?! He was held the others together so they didn't all go crazy stuck on a island for so many seasons!

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Old 04-15-2014, 09:15 AM   #84
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:40 AM   #87
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I laughed, but then cried. I thought this thread was about amusement, not true life horrors/evil.
Thread title said TV. Nothing about fictional characters, although Fox News is known for some of their fictionalizations.
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After that last episode, Cyrus has definitely climbed up a few rungs on the ladder of TV villains. The man has no conscience whatsoever.
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Boyd Crowder is just awesome! Any suggestions for anything else Walton Goggins is in that's worth watching?
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