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Old 03-23-2014, 04:34 AM   #1
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International Tivo Partner Apps

I figure this might spark wild speculation and false hope but anyway. I saw a couple Android apps for Tivo's international partners, and I'm not 100% sure what I'm really looking at in their UI and screenshots.

So I wanted some faithful Tivo users to chime in and translate, whether this of note, or nothing special.

comhem [Sweden]:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...android.comhem

Virgin [UK]:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...dia.tvanywhere

What I think I'm looking at, is the Tivo app rewritten with integrated streaming from the cloud. But I could be wrong so please feel free to correct me.

iOS users can play along here:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tivo...687744157?mt=8

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Old 03-23-2014, 06:04 PM   #2
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I'm not so sure that's its cloud based as much as it is the US version of Tivo streaming that only the Apple IOS devices currently have in the United States.

Rather confirms that the hold up for Android streaming in the United States isn't the technical obstacles but rather the legal issues including the cable companies and content providers that are throwing every roadblock in Tivo's way to prevent such from occurring in the United States.

Both the Swedish and Virgin Tivo Android apps allow streaming of content from the owner's Tivo box, Why hasn't anyone given this more attention?!?!?!?!

This is the list of Android devices supported by the Virgin Tivo app: http://store.virginmedia.com/content...id_devices.pdf



This is the part I fear as while I held off on rooting my new tablet I got last Christmas, all my phones are rooted.

For security reasons and to protect the rights of our content partners Virgin TV Anywhere is not supported on rooted devices, where unauthorised modifications have been made to the operating system.

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I figured I would try it and at the most get my Android streaming.... LOL!

I tried installing them, the Swedish app told me none of my devices were supported so I had no option to install, the Virgin Tivo app installed but when I run it wants me to log in using my Virgin Media email and password which I have none so no fun there either, bummer.....
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:53 PM   #3
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None of my devices are supported either, which is why I posted.

comhem though, I think they're just wanting Android Tablet's instead of phones.

Bummer on Virgin, some versions of some apps will accept MAK instead of a username/password but I guess not this version.

But yah, I do think the Virgin supported list is a warning of what we have to expect.
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Old 03-23-2014, 08:41 PM   #4
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You can't use the TiVo app on rooted IOS devices either. (Without the special tools to fool the app into thinking it isn't rooted)

ComHem wrote their own set of TiVo apps including a browser based version of TiVo desktop...

We have known about that for a while.

The virgin app is interesting, looks like it has been around for about a month - and according to Virgin, still not stable. Tells me two things, android streaming for TiVo is immanent, and that it will only be supported for devices using 4.4 and later.

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Android 4.4 (KitKat) is now supported. Please note that you may have problems streaming live channels in home mode on some devices. We are working to resolve this. Some devices can only be used to manage your TiVo box but not to watch live TV. Please see the device list for further information **

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Old 03-23-2014, 09:32 PM   #5
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My Samsung tab 3 is listed as working but not supported and it's just 4.2, I suspect the cutoff for official supported will be jelly bean at 4.1 since that's 60% of out devices out there not including newer.

Hard to say until Tivo tells the cable companies to bug off but really Tivo is at the mercy of them, they (the cable companies) are holding all the cards, literally as in cable cards. If the cable companies decide to put Tivo out of business all they have to do is have their lobbyist change the Fcc law pertaining to cable cards, with no cable cards, Tivo would be bankrupt in a year so Tivo has no say in the matter just like the copy once flag business which hurts TTG hard which all cable company bs.
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Rather confirms that the hold up for Android streaming in the United States isn't the technical obstacles but rather the legal issues including the cable companies and content providers that are throwing every roadblock in Tivo's way to prevent such from occurring in the United States.
Whereas it confirms for me that TiVo's overseas partners receive priority development. Europe is where TiVo's growth is these days and Virgin represents about 50% of total TiVo subs.

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I'm not so sure that's its cloud based as much as it is the US version of Tivo streaming that only the Apple IOS devices currently have in the United States.
Remember, the overseas boxes are not Roamio with transcoding built in nor do they sell Stream. This is indeed is cloud-based streaming direct from the cable provider. Well, with maybe a few more partners thrown in to glue it all together.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:43 AM   #7
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Remember, the overseas boxes are not Roamio with transcoding built in nor do they sell Stream. This is indeed is cloud-based streaming direct from the cable provider. Well, with maybe a few more partners thrown in to glue it all together.
This was exactly the point I was going to make. All I see are references to streaming Live TV for the Virgin App. Before you get too worked up about this, realize that all this is doing is streaming an IP-based feed of all the channels to the Android device. I can do this with my TWC app, and many other Cable Providers offer the same thing. This is NOT what Tivo streaming does. The Tivo setup has to be able to trans-code video, whether recorded or Live, on-the-fly and deliver it securely to keep CableLabs happy. It has to handle trick-play functions, etc. All the Virgin App is doing accessing a URL and displaying the video on screen.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:03 PM   #8
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I think Apple is likely applying pressure on TiVo not the cable companies. Why would cable companies not care if TiVo streams to iCrap and insist not working on American Android devices. Proof that the world wide popularity / preference to Android over iCrap streaming is supported. It is only in North America that iCrap exceeds sales of Android.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:28 PM   #9
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On Virgin, the reviews (complaints) imply it's streaming of Live TV and not from the box nor episodes.

On ComHem, I can tell there's both LiveTV and episodes (because there's skip fwd and skip back, and the scrub bar is full).

I assume neither needs to transcode because it should already be in mpeg4 if a modern deployment.
edit: Well it might still need to be transcoded for bitrate limits, but hard to say not knowing the source material
edit2: You can tell the avg bitrate of their channels from the hours their Tivo holds vs their HD size.

What I wasn't sure about was there any option to get a ComHem episode from their Tivo recordings instead of their servers. I couldn't find any place that demo-ed or mention it. (except the 2 year old press release) Ideally you would never have to get something from your box if it's on the servers but it looked like some shows were not streamable only recordable. I would have expected they would have shown this off in the "Mitt Tivo" (My Tivo) section but I didn't see it, so assume it's not possible.

In the US, Tivo has to get CableLabs approval, don't we know that for sure? Netflix and TWC gets their streaming rights from the media companies when they do a content deal. Tivo is treated like the blacksheep by the media companies, as Tivo does not give any additional revenue to them (actually reduces revenue since consumers are less likely to pay again to view).
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