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Old 03-21-2014, 02:22 PM   #121
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The movie actually turned me around on Logan. Beforehand I was Team Neither, but he's mostly grown up and matured. Still has nagging rage issues, but he tries to do the right thing now.
Even during the series, he wanted to do the right thing, just in the wrong way; e.g. hiring a bodyguard for Veronica without her knowledge; getting himself arrested just so he could beat the snot out of people who posed a threat to her.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:34 PM   #122
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Yes, he certainly evolved from the pycho guy he was in the first few eps of S1. They had to redeem him somehow once they realized the crazy on-screen chemistry that KB and Jason Dohring had.

And you're right - his heart was nearly always in the right place in the later seasons, it's just that he didn't know how to handle his emotions. He needed (and probably still needs it) intensive psychotherapy.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:55 PM   #123
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Even during the series, he wanted to do the right thing, just in the wrong way; e.g. hiring a bodyguard for Veronica without her knowledge; getting himself arrested just so he could beat the snot out of people who posed a threat to her.
I'm not sure how physically threatening her with a crowbar and smashing in her car is "doing the right thing", but ok. I don't have an issue with him being the "bad boy", it's more that he's a violent psychopath who should be in prison or a mental institution. There is zero difference between him and his father, and the way they've created the character is that he is absolutely capable of murdering Veronica at any minute the same way his dad killed Lilly.

I like Piz as a character and don't find him boring. He's smart, funny, and a good guy. I'm on Team Piz because I like Piz, but I'm not against Veronica being self-destructive. I think a relationship with Dick would be cool, or even Weevil. Logan is just a psychotic, wealthy through no effort of his own, d-bag that represents the absolute worst of humanity.

The only character on the show that is more evil is his father, who he is basically a carbon copy of.
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Old 03-21-2014, 03:29 PM   #124
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Team Logan for the win.

Logan most definitely has grown considerably over the last 10 years. There wasn't a single time over the course of this movie that Logan wasn't holding Veronica with the utmost respect and decency anyone could hope for. He was truly grateful to have someone so special in his life, in any way. Their relationship had an underlying passion, even when there was absolutely nothing sexual going on. Some combination of their history, reasons for moving apart, growing up and experiencing life without each other around in the same way, and coming to understand the important parts of their history and where they did things wrong.

When Veronica is in investigation mode, she is most comfortable with everything. I'm not sure she could even operate within the confines of any role in law enforcement. And when it's happening to her friends or family, nothing can stop her. Anyone who knows Veronica, and anyone who loves Veronica has to accept that. They may wish she would choose something "safer" and they may have their own opinions about her choice of a partner based on their outside view of that partner, but she cannot be happy living to other people's expectations or dreams. She has a path. She follows it well.

Piz has many nice qualities, too. But there's really just no passion there between the two of them. And when push comes to shove, Piz doesn't respect Veronica. Piz can't understand her relationship to the world, to her friends and to her family. In a similar way he is trying to create a certain image of Veronica to his parents, he is looking for Veronica to place his needs first, however superficial, over her own choices. In the 10 years he's known her and the 1-2 years they've been dating, on or off, he hasn't really learned what drives Veronica, and what passions she has for things in life, and how she relates to people around her. He's more of a "at this age I should be doing this, then at this age I should get engaged and have this kind of job, and at this age we should have kids, et. al., and my fiance should defer to me, and my wife should cook a big family dinner for each holiday, and we have to start a family of 2.3 kids X years after getting married" type of person.
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:12 PM   #125
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I'm not sure how physically threatening her with a crowbar and smashing in her car is "doing the right thing", but ok. I don't have an issue with him being the "bad boy", it's more that he's a violent psychopath who should be in prison or a mental institution. There is zero difference between him and his father, and the way they've created the character is that he is absolutely capable of murdering Veronica at any minute the same way his dad killed Lilly.
There's a *significant* difference between the Logan of S1, Eps 1-10 or so, and the Logan of the rest of the series. Those moments that you mentioned all took place in the first half of S1. In the beginning, he was a crazy psycho teen, and everyone involved with the show admits it. They also admit that once they saw the crazy chemistry between KB and Dohring they basically retconned the character, and the Logan you see from the middle-end of S1 through the rest of the series is a much different character.
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:35 PM   #126
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Yes, rewatching season 1 it is very hard to remember how I could have ever liked Logan because he seemed like an irredeemable as*hole. But somehow they managed to redeem him and so I just go along with the retcon.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:53 AM   #127
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I just checked the Audible app on my phone, and my preorder of the first VM book (narrated by KB) is there. Downloading it now!
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Old 03-25-2014, 10:48 AM   #128
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I started reading it last night. A little odd to be "consuming" VM in this form.
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:50 AM   #129
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I haven't listened to an audio book (other than David Sedaris) in years. May need to reconsider.
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Wow! You intentionally listened to an audio book read by David Sedaris? You must have quite the constitution. I've always assumed Sedaris is some sort of Lovecraftian demon whose grating voice was sent to Earth to drive people insane with anger and revulsion.
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His voice makes his writing ten times funnier.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:35 PM   #132
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I haven't listened to an audio book (other than David Sedaris) in years. May need to reconsider.

First five minutes is on YouTube as a sampler:
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:57 PM   #133
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His voice makes his writing ten times funnier.
This, plus x10!
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I loved "Me Talk Funny One Day".

There's an Entertainment Week "story" on Bonnie DeVille's 28th birthday party, with some backstory and clues.
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I started reading it last night. A little odd to be "consuming" VM in this form.
I'm really enjoying it! The story is good, and KB (as I expected) is a wonderful narrator.
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Ten times zero is still zero.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:55 AM   #137
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Only the Samsung jumped at me until you guys mentioned the drinks. The drink names seem more realistic. I don't see all electronics with Samsung logo all day long, but I hear people say brand drink names.
Back on the subject of product placement in the movie (especially Samsung):

I was scanning the credits last night for something and noticed the usual disclaimer at the end of the crawl:

"Similarity to actual people, places, and products is not intentional." (emphasis mine)

That made me chuckle.
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:32 AM   #138
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"Similarity to actual people, places, and products is not intentional." (emphasis mine)
Their lawyers assured them the technical difference between "similar" and "identical" covered them
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OK, my wife and I just finished 3 seasons of VM plus the movie. Where do we go for something similar? We're getting withdrawal already.
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OK, my wife and I just finished 3 seasons of VM plus the movie. Where do we go for something similar? We're getting withdrawal already.
Have you read the book?
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I got distracted by some things and put the book down, but I'll have it finished shortly. I'd like to discuss it somewhere here... I have a number of thoughts.
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I got distracted by some things and put the book down, but I'll have it finished shortly. I'd like to discuss it somewhere here... I have a number of thoughts.
Please start a separate thread to discuss the book! I plan to read it, but haven't yet and don't want it to be spoiled. thanks!

ETA, oh, but do include a link here so folks can find it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:09 PM   #143
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OK, my wife and I just finished 3 seasons of VM plus the movie. Where do we go for something similar? We're getting withdrawal already.
I just did the same thing. I re-watched the series and finally watched the movie last night. I turned on the TV today and realized I had nothing to watch.
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I just started the (audio) book.

I'm only listening to it before I go to sleep so it'll probably take me a while.
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