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Old 03-08-2014, 04:48 PM   #1441
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Overnight broadcast primetime ratings for Friday, March 7, 2014
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Time    Net     Show                    18-49      Viewers (Millions)
8:00    NBC     Dateline                1.5/5       7.457
        CBS     Undercover Boss         1.4/5       7.461
        ABC     Last Man Standing       1.3/5       6.10
        FOX     Bones - R               0.7/3       3.29
        CW      Whose Line is it Anyway 0.5/2       1.39
                
8:30    ABC     The Neighbors           0.9/3       3.56
        CW      Whose Line is it Anyway 0.5/2       1.33
                
9:00    ABC     Shark Tank              2.0/7       7.49
        NBC     Grimm                   1.5/5       5.64
        CBS     Hawaii Five-0           1.4/5      10.27
        FOX     Enlisted                0.7/2       1.82
        CW      Star-Crossed - R        0.2/1       0.54
                
9:30    FOX     Raising Hope            0.5/2       1.58
                
10:00   ABC     20/20                   1.8/6       7.60
        CBS     Blue Bloods             1.4/5      11.87
        NBC     Hannibal                0.8/3       2.64
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ABC was number one in adults 18-49, while CBS led with total viewers.

On ABC, Last Man Standing earned a 1.3, up 8% from last week's 1.2 adults 18-49 rating. The Neighbors scored a 0.9 adults 18-49 rating, down 10 percent from last week's 1.0. Shark Tank garnered a 2.0 down 5 percent from last week's 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. 20/20 matched last week's 1.8 adults 18-49 rating.

On CBS, Undercover Boss scored a1.4, up 8 percent from last week's 1.3 adults 18-49 rating. Hawaii Five-0 matched last week's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating. Blue Bloods garnered a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating, even with last week.

On NBC, Dateline notched a 1.5 up 20 percent from last week's 1.2 adults 18-49 rating. Grimm earned a 1.5 up 7 percent from last week's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating. Hannibal scored a 0.8 adults 18-49 rating, down 27 percent from a 1.1 for last week's premiere. Your predictions were too optimistic.

On FOX, Enlisted earned a 0.7, up 17 percent from last week's 0.6 adults 18-49 rating. Raising Hope garnered a 0.5, down 17 percent from last week's 0.6 adults 18-49 rating.
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:49 PM   #1442
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I've been distracted. My day job is interfering with my TiVo job, and I'm trying to decide which is worth keeping.

We're going thru a major IT/ERP conversion at work. We have about 60 users, and we're replacing a system first installed in 1977* with a new one. We really need this new one, but as you can imagine, changing a system used for almost 40 years is a nightmare.

And I'm the project leader... spending every waking moment making this conversion successful. Go-Live date is March 31. Right now we're running concurrent, so users can learn the new while still keeping our company alive on the old.

*Yes, you read that right. Our current ERP system was first installed in 1977! We may be close to the record for longest running actively-managed ERP system, which is not a record I care to own. We've tweaked the code, and replaced the hardware several times, but it's the same basic software for 37 years.

Nonetheless (and sorry for the thread drift), I can catch up on this past week now, as I'm taking this weekend off. First days off in 3 weeks.
Wow!

Well, thank you very much for the update. It is greatly appreciated. Like a few others, I don't post much here, but the information is carefully read.

I understand if you have a life outside of the Tivo Community.
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:32 AM   #1443
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Random thoughts on a week of ratings...

* Many of CBS's comedy juggernauts are not doing as well as last year. M&M, 2BG, 2.5Men, etc, all down from viewership in the tens of millions, to less then ten.

* B99 was renewed (yay!), but jeez, does anyone watch? 2.6MM viewers?

* About a Boy and Growing Up Fisher have pretty strong numbers for NBC (so far). Around 7-8 million each. Can they keep it up?

* Idol. How the mighty have fallen.

* Modern Family. Same comment as the CBS one above. Still popular, but nowhere near the viewers it used to have.

* BBT on the other hand can do no wrong. Almost 18 million viewers! And The Millers is having the coattail ride of its life.

* CBS procedurals are going strong. Criminal Minds, PoI and Elementary are all getting eyeballs. CM in particular, for a show in its 9th season, is doing amazing at 11+ million viewers.
Glad to see NBC's new comedies doing well as like them both, but, they are doing it at the expense of two comedies I like even better, The Goldbergs and Brooklyn 99 (at least the latter has been renewed, yay is right!). Both have been getting funnier and funnier as we get to know the characters better.

I wish CBS would swap The Crazy Ones with The Millers, just so see if the ratings on TCO would rise and the ratings on The Millers would tank. My theory is, as you say, The Millers is getting those ratings mostly by riding coattails. IMO The Crazy Ones is a much better, smarter sitcom.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:54 AM   #1444
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IMO Crazy is a total 180 to what The Millers offer. Millers is 100% blue collar potty humor stuff that a majority of TV watching Americans seem to crave. That can't be said about Crazy. It's more of a subtle, "upscale" "comedy" type show. It has limited appeal to most folks.

If they switched, Millers would still be a powerhouse for the ratings and Crazy would 100% flounder and soon die, like I think it will where it's currently sitting at. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:40 AM   #1445
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IMO Crazy is a total 180 to what The Millers offer. Millers is 100% blue collar potty humor stuff that a majority of TV watching Americans seem to crave. That can't be said about Crazy. It's more of a subtle, "upscale" "comedy" type show. It has limited appeal to most folks.

If they switched, Millers would still be a powerhouse for the ratings and Crazy would 100% flounder and soon die, like I think it will where it's currently sitting at. It's just a matter of time.
Perhaps you're right, but considering that TBBT is more of a "smart comedy", especially in comparison to The Millers, doesn't support that theory necessarily. The ratings drop between the two, this past week was STILL 43%.
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:36 PM   #1446
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Broadcast Primetime Ratings for Sunday, March 9, 2014

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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7:00 PM	CBS	60 Minutes			1.5	5	10.61
	ABC	Once Upon A Time Recap Special	1.2	4	4.38
	NBC	Dateline NBC (7-9PM)		1.1	4	5.50
	FOX	Bob's Burgers			0.9	3	2.11

7:30 PM	FOX	The Simpsons			1.2	4	2.65

8:00 PM	ABC	Once Upon A Time		2.3	7	7.27
	CBS	The Amazing Race All-Stars	1.8	5	8.43
	FOX	The Simpsons			1.6	5	3.73

8:30 PM	FOX	Family Guy			2.2	6	4.49

9:00 PM	ABC	Resurrection			3.6	9	13.31
	FOX	Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey	2.1	5	5.79
	CBS	The Good Wife			1.3	3	8.91
	NBC	The Voice -R			1.1	3	4.00

10:00PM	ABC	Revenge				1.9	5	6.50
	CBS	The Mentalist			1.6	4	9.94
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ABC was number one with adults 18-49 , but CBS led with total viewers.

FYI: Last night (the first night of Daylight Saving Time) saw an overall usage decline of -14% from 7-11pm in adults 18-49 vs. last week.

On ABC, the midseason premiere of Once Upon A Time earned a 2.3 up four tenths from the 1.9 it's last original earned. Resurrection premiered to a 3.6 adults 18-49 rating. Your predictions were correct! Revenge returned to a 1.9, up six tenths from its last original's 1.3 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, Bob's Burgers notched a 0.9, down from its last original's 1.5. The Simpsons earned a 1.2 at 7:30 and a 1.6 at 8:00, both down from its last original's 1.7 adults 18-49 rating. Family Guy earned a 2.2, up two tenths from the 2.0 its last new episode earned. The premiere of Cosmos earned a 2.1 adults 18-49 rating on FOX. NOTE: These are just the numbers on the Fox broadcast network and do not include the full 10-network simulcast. We will update with the full simulcast numbers shortly.

On CBS, 60 Minutes scored a 1.5, up a tenth from last week's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating. The Amazing Race earned a 1.8, up three tenths from last week's series low 1.5 adults 18-49 rating. The Good Wife returned to a 1.3, down half a ratings point from its last original's 1.8 adults 18-49 rating. The Mentalist earned a 1.6, down two tenths from its last original's 1.8 adults 18-49 rating.

On NBC, Dateline NBC earned a 1.1 adults 18-49 rating.
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-I was surprised at how well Resurrection did given the horrible reviews it got.

-Glad to see the ratings for The Amazing Race bounce back a little after series lows in the last two weeks against The Olympics and The Oscars. I was afraid that airing the first two eps of the season against such strong competition would mean audiences wouldn't come back for the remaining eps once the strong competition is over.

-It will be interesting to see how many additional viewers watched Cosmos on the other channels.

-Looks like NBC just decided to take the night off.
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-I was surprised at how well Resurrection did given the horrible reviews it got.

-Glad to see the ratings for The Amazing Race bounce back a little after series lows in the last two weeks against The Olympics and The Oscars. I was afraid that airing the first two eps of the season against such strong competition would mean audiences wouldn't come back for the remaining eps once the strong competition is over.

-It will be interesting to see how many additional viewers watched Cosmos on the other channels.

-Looks like NBC just decided to take the night off.
Interesting side note about TAR. If these All-Star casts are done to bring in ratings, then how does one explain how bad the ratings are? Is this just progressive dropoff because of so much new competition or do All-Star version hurt rather than help ratings (or have ZERO effect)?
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Interesting side note about TAR. If these All-Star casts are done to bring in ratings, then how does one explain how bad the ratings are? Is this just progressive dropoff because of so much new competition or do All-Star version hurt rather than help ratings (or have ZERO effect)?
There's no way to accurately answer that question. As I noted above, this season of TAR started with its first two episodes against brutal competition. It's not at all surprising that the ratings for those episodes were down significantly. Whether the ratings would have been better (or worse) with an all new cast rather than returning "all stars" is anyone's guess.

If I had been a CBS exec, I would probably have recommended that TAR wait to start its season until last night, and then either have a couple weeks with two-hour episodes, or run the finale after May sweeps ends, or something. But CBS chose not to do that and therefore significantly hurt the ratings for the first two episodes of this season of TAR. Whether that will have a long-term effect on the ratings for this season, or on the ratings for future seasons of the show is impossible to know at this time.
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-I was surprised at how well Resurrection did given the horrible reviews it got.

-Glad to see the ratings for The Amazing Race bounce back a little after series lows in the last two weeks against The Olympics and The Oscars. I was afraid that airing the first two eps of the season against such strong competition would mean audiences wouldn't come back for the remaining eps once the strong competition is over.

-It will be interesting to see how many additional viewers watched Cosmos on the other channels.

-Looks like NBC just decided to take the night off.
Total numbers for Cosmos, 8.5 mil viewers, 2.9 demo.
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Monday, March 10, 2014:

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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8:00 PM	NBC	The Voice (8-10PM)		3.7	11	13.58
	ABC	The Bachelor (8-10PM)		3.2	9	9.62
	CBS	How I Met Your Mother		2.7	9	7.70
	FOX	Bones				1.7	5	6.51
	CW	Star Crossed			0.3	1	1.04

8:30 PM	CBS	2 Broke Girls -R		1.4	4	5.35

9:00 PM	CBS	Mike & Molly			1.8	5	7.67
	FOX	The Following			1.5	4	4.88
	CW	Beauty And The Beast		0.2	1	0.81

9:30 PM	CBS	Mom -R				1.3	3	5.79

10:00PM	ABC	The Bachelor: After/Final Rose	3.8	11	11.00
	NBC	Believe -P			2.7	8	10.70
	CBS	Intelligence			1.3	3	6.53
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ABC was number one among adults 18-49, but NBC won with total viewers.

FYI: TV usage was down -10% from 8-10pm last night vs last Monday.

On ABC, The Bachelor finale hit a season high with a 3.2, up from last week's 2.3 adults 18-49, but down from last year's finale, which earned a 3.5 adults 18-49 rating. The Bachelor: After the Final Rose special earned a 3.8 adults 18-49 rating, even with last year's special.

On NBC, The Voice earned a season low tying 3.7, down eight tenths from last week's 4.5 adults 18-49 rating. Believe premiered to a 2.7 adults 18-49 rating, and is NBC’s lowest-rated post-Voice Monday drama debut. Your predictions were too optimistic.

On CBS, How I Met Your Mother earned a 2.7, down half a ratings point from last week's 3.3 adults 18-49 rating to tie its season low. Mike and Molly hit a new series low with a 1.8, down four tenths from last week's 2.2 adults 18-49 rating. Intelligence earned a 1.3, up a tenth from last week's 1.2 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, Bones returned to Mondays with a 1.7 adults 18-49 rating. It's most recent original earned a 1.6 adults 18-49 rating, but it's last Monday episode earned a 2.0 adults 18-49 rating. The Following hit a series low 1.5, down a tenth from last week's series low 1.6 adults 18-49 rating.

On The CW, Star-Crossed earned a 0.3, down a tenth from last week's 0.4 adults 18-49 rating. Beauty And The Beast notched a series low 0.2, down a tenth from last week's 0.3 adults 18-49 rating.
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Tuesday, March 11, 2014

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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8:00 PM	NBC	The Voice			3.4	12	13.14
	ABC	Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.	2.0	7	5.79
	CBS	NCIS (R)			1.3	4	10.79
	FOX	Glee				0.9	3	2.34
	CW	The Originals			0.9	3	1.94

9:00 PM	NBC	About A Boy			2.1	6	7.89
	ABC	The Goldbergs			1.5	5	4.34
	CBS	NCIS: LA (R)			1.4	4	9.68
	FOX	New Girl			1.3	4	2.44
	CW	Supernatural (R)		0.6	2	1.36

9:30 PM	NBC	Growing Up Fisher		1.8	5	6.54
	FOX	Brooklyn Nine-Nine		1.2	3	2.46
	ABC	Trophy Wife			0.9	3.	2.92

10:00PM	NBC	Chicago Fire			2.0	6	7.30
	CBS	Person of Interest (R)		1.1	3	7.62
	ABC	Mind Games			0.9	3	2.49
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NBC was the number one network in adults 18-49, while CBS won with total viewers.

Note: The CW was preempted in Chicago due to NBA Basketball, so more adjustments than normal are likely.

FYI: Last night's adults 18-49 usage was down -8% from 8-10p and -7% from 8-11p vs. last week

On NBC, The Voice notched a 3.4, down seven tenths from last week's 4.1 adults 18-49 rating. About A Boy scored a 2.1, down four tenths from last week's 2.5 adults 18-49 rating. Growing Up Fisher earned a 1.8, down a tenth from last week's 1.9 adults 18-49 rating. Chicago Fire earned a 2.0, up a tenth from last week's 1.9 adults 18-49 rating.

On ABC, Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.EL.D. earned a 2.0, up two tenths from last week's 1.8 adults 18-49 rating. The Goldbergs matched last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating. Trophy Wife scored a 0.9, up a tenth from last week's series low 0.8 adults 18-49 rating. Mind Games garnered a 0.9, up three tenths from last week's 0.6 adults 18-49 rating.

On FOX, Glee earned a series low -tying 0.9, down a tenth from last week's 1.0 adults 18-49 rating. New Girl earned a series low tying 1.3, down two tenths from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating. Brooklyn Nine-Nine earned a series low tying 1.2, down a tenth from last week's 1.3 adults 18-49 rating.

On The CW, The Originals earned a 0.9, up a tenth from last week’s 0.8 adults 18-49 rating.
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I know a lot of it is helped by SNF and The Voice, but I don't think NBC is in the tank compared to the other networks as much as it used to be. Looking at the 9PM slot on Tuesday for instance, it's comedies are beating the other network's comedies, ones that have already been established for months now (Brooklyn, The Goldbergs, Trophy Wife). Ratings are not great for any of them but NBC is the best of the bunch. Perhaps NBC is where Fox was when AI was at it's height, when you take into account the downward spiral of broadcast network ratings in general.
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I know a lot of it is helped by SNF and The Voice, but I don't think NBC is in the tank compared to the other networks as much as it used to be. Looking at the 9PM slot on Tuesday for instance, it's comedies are beating the other network's comedies, ones that have already been established for months now (Brooklyn, The Goldbergs, Trophy Wife). Ratings are not great for any of them but NBC is the best of the bunch. Perhaps NBC is where Fox was when AI was at it's height, when you take into account the downward spiral of broadcast network ratings in general.
Yes, NBC is doing much better this season than in the last few. Having The Voice helps, and having The Olympics to promote their shows helped, but whatever the reason, NBC now has several shows that are doing pretty well relative to the other networks. They won every time slot on Monday and Tuesday except for Monday at 10 pm, when they took second place to a once-a-season special on ABC. Now they likely won't do as well the rest of the week vs. the competition, but they have to start somewhere, and having a few new shows this year that seem to be catching on is certainly better than in recent seasons.
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Yes, NBC is doing much better this season than in the last few. Having The Voice helps, and having The Olympics to promote their shows helped, but whatever the reason, NBC now has several shows that are doing pretty well relative to the other networks. They won every time slot on Monday and Tuesday except for Monday at 10 pm, when they took second place to a once-a-season special on ABC. Now they likely won't do as well the rest of the week vs. the competition, but they have to start somewhere, and having a few new shows this year that seem to be catching on is certainly better than in recent seasons.
We used to see a LOT of 4th place finishes. Even the shows that aren't that strong hang in there.
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Broadcast primetime ratings for Wednesday, March 12, 2014

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Time	Net	Show				18-49 	18-49	Viewers
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8:00 PM	CBS	Survivor			2.5	8	9.86
	FOX	American Idol (8-10PM)		2.4	7	10.11
	ABC	The Middle			1.9	7	7.17
	NBC	Revolution			1.3	4	4.69
	CW	Arrow -R			0.4	1	1.20

8:30 PM	ABC	Suburgatory			1.4	5	5.18

9:00 PM	ABC	Modern Family			3.3	10	9.08
	CBS	Criminal Minds			2.3	7	10.72
	NBC	Law And Order: SVU		1.6	5	6.25
	CW	The Tomorrow People –R		0.2	1	0.69

9:30 PM	ABC	Mixology			1.5	4	4.22

10:00PM	CBS	CSI				2.0	6	10.00
	NBC	Chicago PD			1.6	5	5.85
	ABC	Nashville			1.4	4	4.93
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FOX was number one in adults 18-49 while CBS led with total viewers.

Note: CBS had preemptions/delays due to ACC and SEC basketball from 8:00-9:00PM. Expect adjustments in the finals.

On FOX American Idol earned a 2.4, down three tenths from last week's 2.7 adults 18-49 rating.

On CBS, Survivor earned a 2.5, up a tenth from last week's 2.4 adults 18-49 rating. Criminal Minds garnered a 2.3, down three tenths from last week's 2.6 adults 18-49 rating. CSI notched a 2.0, up three tenths from last week's 1.7 adults 18-49 rating.

On ABC, The Middle matched last week's 1.9 adults 18-49 rating. Suburgatory scored a series low tying 1.4, down three tenths from last week's 1.7 adults 18-49 rating. Modern Family garnered a 3.3, down a tenth from last week's 3.4 adults 18-49 rating. Mixology scored a series low 1.5, down two tenths from last week's 1.7 adults 18-49 rating. Nashville garnered a 1.4, down a tenth from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating.

On NBC, Revolution matched last week's series low 1.3 adults 18-49 rating. Law And Order: SVU matched last week's 1.6 adults 18-49 rating. Chicago P.D. earned a 1.6, up a tenth from its series low with a 1.5 adults 18-49 rating.
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Mixology not even keeping 50% of the MF lead-in. I'd say that show is a goner. I've watched a couple of episodes and it's barely okay.
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Mixology not even keeping 50% of the MF lead-in. I'd say that show is a goner. I've watched a couple of episodes and it's barely okay.
The interesting thing about that is the template I used for posting that code was last used a couple years ago when the show in that slot was "Don't Trust the B..." It had nearly twice the ratings on that particular night as "Mixology" had this week.
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Looks like this thread has kind of died out, but I saw this graphic in the latest version of TV Guide and thought it might be of interest to some. Note that the fine print at the bottom says that these numbers include Live + 7 where available, Live + 3 where L+7 is not available, and Live + Same Day where L+3 is not available. And these numbers go up through April 20.

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View the original chart (and the full magazine) here: http://tvguidemagazine.publ.com/Upfronts-2014
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:24 AM   #1460
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Now I really don't get why "Almost Human" got the ax.
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Now I really don't get why "Almost Human" got the ax.
Yeah, I noticed that it was the highest-rated show to get canceled. But I guess there's got to be a line drawn somewhere, and FOX clearly wasn't pleased with the performance of the show.
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Old 05-22-2014, 03:50 AM   #1462
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Now I really don't get why "Almost Human" got the ax.
Me either, especially since it beat out Glee and Bones, both of which are coming back despite being quite long in the tooth.

And look at the returning CBS stuff that Intelligence beat out.

And look at all the stuff below Revolution.

A la carte channels isn't going to be enough, we need individual shows to be able to stand or fall on their own merits without regard to whether a network things they're a good fit for the rest of their stuff or what affect it has on whether someone watches the show that follows it.
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:50 AM   #1463
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Not that surprising that shows with lower ratings that are already in syndication would get renewed.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:08 AM   #1464
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Fox shows all nosedived in the spring for some reason. The only reason that Almost Human is higher is because it ended early before the Fox average went down. It's unrealistic to think that it wouldn't have also dropped had it still been airing. And Glee's ratings were irrelevant since it was renewed for two seasons last year.
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That chart is pretty meaningless. It doesn't compare similar ratings periods. Comparing a show that only has live + SD ratings to one that accounts for an entire week of viewing makes no sense.
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That chart is pretty meaningless. It doesn't compare similar ratings periods. Comparing a show that only has live + SD ratings to one that accounts for an entire week of viewing makes no sense.
Are there any shows on that chart that only had L+SD data? That would only be the case for shows that aired their first episode of the season sometime in April. And even then, most of those would have L+3 data.
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Yeah, you really only want the L+SD data because it compares the most similar to the C3 data that stations and networks buy and price their ads with (i.e., the number that REALLY matters). A show with terrible L+SD numbers but great L+7 would get cancelled if its C3 follows L+SD.
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Are there any shows on that chart that only had L+SD data? That would only be the case for shows that aired their first episode of the season sometime in April. And even then, most of those would have L+3 data.
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Looks like this thread has kind of died out, but I saw this graphic in the latest version of TV Guide and thought it might be of interest to some. Note that the fine print at the bottom says that these numbers include Live + 7 where available, Live + 3 where L+7 is not available, and Live + Same Day where L+3 is not available. And these numbers go up through April 20.

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View the original chart (and the full magazine) here: http://tvguidemagazine.publ.com/Upfronts-2014
Even if they have the L+3, comparing that to L+7 isn't accurate either. Plus, like Worf said, those numbers don't really matter anyway when it comes to a show staying on the air. So being surprised that a show higher on this list was cancelled while a lower show was renewed is kind of silly because the numbers on that list don't determine whether a show gets renewed.
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Fox shows all nosedived in the spring for some reason. The only reason that Almost Human is higher is because it ended early before the Fox average went down. It's unrealistic to think that it wouldn't have also dropped had it still been airing. And Glee's ratings were irrelevant since it was renewed for two seasons last year.
Don't the ratings in general always go down in the Spring. As people start spending more time outside.
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Even if they have the L+3, comparing that to L+7 isn't accurate either. Plus, like Worf said, those numbers don't really matter anyway when it comes to a show staying on the air. So being surprised that a show higher on this list was cancelled while a lower show was renewed is kind of silly because the numbers on that list don't determine whether a show gets renewed.
Yep, the ratings are only one component of determining whether or not a show gets renewed. A big component, but not the only one. Production costs and ownership of the show are a couple of others. I believe Almost Human was probably done in by high production costs without the ratings to justify the high cost.
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