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Old 02-12-2014, 06:44 AM   #1
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Justified -- "Kill The Messenger" -- S05E06 -- OAD 2.11.14

"It was consexual..."

Boyd's bad ass quotient just rose ten-fold...
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:20 AM   #2
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Boyd's bad ass quotient just rose ten-fold...
His "To-Kill" list just keeps growing...
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:15 AM   #3
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I really enjoyed this episode. Reminded me how good some of the characters are!

Plus I like the unspoken aspect of the punch Raylan got from his boss.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:43 PM   #4
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Another solid episode. I don't have much to add.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:52 PM   #5
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Please make the Ava storyline go away.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:58 PM   #6
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Please make the Ava storyline go away.
Yes. This show is great, but they had no idea what to do with Ava this season.
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:28 PM   #7
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Yes. This show is great, but they had no idea what to do with Ava this season.
Yes, I agree.

But I'm unclear why the sister of the Nazi guy beat up on Ava. Did the sister say something about slaves and if so what does that have to do with anything Boyd did. If I heard it wrong then why did the sister beat on Ava?

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:02 PM   #8
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But I'm unclear why the sister of the Nazi guy beat up on Ava. Did the sister say something about slaves and if so what does that have to do with anything Boyd did. If I heard it wrong then why did the sister beat on Ava?
At the beginning of the series, Boyd was a white supremacist (or at least pretending to be one). The brother was one of his associates from that period. Since then, Boyd has dealt with people of other races, and the brother now considers him a race traitor. Being a bit dumber than Boyd usually is, he hired the guy to provide protection for Ava. But he took the money and sicced his sister on Ava anyway.

The brother & sister are rabid racists, who vehemently hate non-whites and anybody who will have anything to do with them. For some reason, Boyd didn't pick up on that.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:22 PM   #9
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Could have used a little more time and HDTV detail on the Ava shower scene, but hey, otherwise another fine episode.

Loved the conversation between Raylan and Rachel where she broaches the topic of what the hell is happening between the office bad boy and Art. We see different sides of Raylan's character as he first wise asses and lashes out at Rachel, calling her the "office suckup" and then quickly retracts his cruel slam and apologizes for his typical rash behavior. Great scene, well written and well acted.

Has there ever been a series where everyone in the office Art, Rachel and Tim so consistently and correctly dump on the main hero character as in Justified? Even his new GF is in on the put downs too. Gotta luv it!

The smoking' redhead Crow babe Wendy is developing a long smoldering Jones for "easy on the eyes" Raylan, even though as she says he is a "can't say it here can I". Typical woman, can't stand us, can't get enough of us.
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...The smoking' redhead Crow babe....

Seriously? I don't find her attractive one bit...
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:19 PM   #11
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Seriously? I don't find her attractive one bit...
You prefer Daryl, huh?
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:45 PM   #12
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At the beginning of the series, Boyd was a white supremacist (or at least pretending to be one). The brother was one of his associates from that period. Since then, Boyd has dealt with people of other races, and the brother now considers him a race traitor. Being a bit dumber than Boyd usually is, he hired the guy to provide protection for Ava. But he took the money and sicced his sister on Ava anyway.

The brother & sister are rabid racists, who vehemently hate non-whites and anybody who will have anything to do with them. For some reason, Boyd didn't pick up on that.
Nah. Boyd put on an act like he was still in the HH fold, but said, "I've taught you that I have to go where the money is." How good was his game face? We saw him weeping before he got out of teh car.

I figgered that Ava would off all of her blonde locks to head off any more of being a target.

Shorty jail guard is in hiding. How did he testify how he was brutally attacked?

Boyd has people in the jail, including the butch woman guard. That lifer cellie who set up Ava should get it too.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:35 AM   #13
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Boyd has people in the jail, including the butch woman guard.
But she was in the (Harlan) jail, not the (state) prison. When Ava "shanked the guard," she was transferred from the jail to the prison, and lost that protection.
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Please make the Ava storyline go away.
Agreed. Couldn't care less at this point. Love everything else about this show.
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I love the Crowes, especially Dewey. Trying to sell his pool lol. "THIS IS MY DREAM!".

Seems to be less Raylan this season and more Boyd. The Crowder/Crowe alliance should be a fun one to watch down the stretch.
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:23 AM   #16
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But she was in the (Harlan) jail, not the (state) prison. When Ava "shanked the guard," she was transferred from the jail to the prison, and lost that protection.
I think Mike is saying that Boyd's guard could "convince" Ava's cellmate in the jail to recant her testimony that Ava shanked the guard.
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So far this is one of the best seasons (what the heck, they're all good!) I'm not convinced that the Crowder / Crowe alliance will hold up over the long term, but it sure is fun!
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:49 AM   #18
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I too hate the current Ava storyline. Who would believe that she shanked a guard the night before she was to be released?
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I think Mike is saying that Boyd's guard could "convince" Ava's cellmate in the jail to recant her testimony that Ava shanked the guard.
Not only that, but Boyd tends to get his revenge. Shorty knows that.

I know it was only for purposes of script, but Ava would have had to have a hearing to be transferred to the prison, right?
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:37 AM   #20
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Boyd's got some smart guys working for him. Can't wait 'til Rappaport's bro gets his.

Speaking of Rappaport...his southern accent is the absolute worse!
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I know it was only for purposes of script, but Ava would have had to have a hearing to be transferred to the prison, right?
I don't think so. There's a famous Ponzi-scheme guy from here who keeps getting moved around the country without notice, as punishment for his continued bad behavior in prison.
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I also think one of the reasons Ava got moved to the State Pen, is because she is now a "violent" criminal. Remember she was only arrested for "Improper disposal of a corpse",
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Seriously? I don't find her attractive one bit...
I'd hate to see your pr0n collection if you "don't find her attractive one bit...".
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Speaking of Rappaport...his southern accent is the absolute worse!

His character is from Florida (south but not really southern) not Kentucky so he doesn't really need a southern accent. His Crowe character speaks the same as all Rappaport characters just a little bit slower without as much smart ass edge.
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I'd hate to see your pr0n collection if you "don't find her attractive one bit...".
There's nothing to see...
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:55 PM   #26
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I have to agree with everyone else on the Ava storyline. They might be going somewhere awesome with it but thus far it has been painful.
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Another here who'd like to see Ava disappear....
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Another here who'd like to see Ava disappear....
I for one hope that Boyd isn't reading this forum!
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I love Ava. I don't want her to disappear. But I agree with all of those who are tired of the prison storyline.
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I love Ava. I don't want her to disappear.
I want to see her suffer more. Despite all that has happened to her, she really has not suffered all that much yet.
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