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Old 02-02-2014, 02:45 PM   #151
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I have the DVR space ( and 6 HD tuners) so I pretty much record everything.

If I remember correctly from last winter Olympics,
I pretty much deleted 80% before even watching

Only so much hockey you can watch ( time wise)

But will probably recorded everything again this time.
Was setting up for recording the Olympics with a "XXII Winter Olympics" Wishlist on my 6-Tuner Roamio using an HD-only filter. Noticed that USA, MSNBC, and CNBC weren't being auto-recorded because the HD flag wasn't set on those channels. Only NBC and NBC Sports were recording. Ended up creating 5 Season Passes for each of the HD channels carrying the Games.
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Old 02-02-2014, 04:06 PM   #152
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I never bother setting up the HD-only flag on wishlists anymore. We just delete all the non-HD channels from our channel list.
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A little comparison chart of national Olympic TV packages.


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Old 02-06-2014, 09:59 AM   #154
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I never bother setting up the HD-only flag on wishlists anymore. We just delete all the non-HD channels from our channel list.
I didn't even know there was a filter

only SD channels I have are like TVLAND or such, that we don't have HD.
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A little comparison chart of national Olympic TV packages.
To be fair, of course the three European countries are going to be showing a lot of things live. Notice that they are all starting live coverage at pretty much the same time - Friday, at 7:30 PM Sochi time (GMT+4), just before the Opening Ceremony begins.
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Canada is covering a lot of hours, but it's interesting in that they have THREE separate English speaking networks covering the Olympics, so it's non exclusive (or maybe they have separate deals by sport). The US has one family of networks (NBC Universal).
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Coverage starts TONIGHT.


I had thought that the TEAM skating competition was simply taking scores from the other competitions (men, women, pairs, dance) and then using that to give an award to a team (country). But it seems like it's a totally separate competition? I.e. performances specifically for the TEAM competition that are not connected to the other performances for men, women, pairs, and dance?
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I had thought that the TEAM skating competition was simply taking scores from the other competitions (men, women, pairs, dance) and then using that to give an award to a team (country). But it seems like it's a totally separate competition? I.e. performances specifically for the TEAM competition that are not connected to the other performances for men, women, pairs, and dance?
It's a totally separate competition. I watched some of it (men's short program and pairs short program) via streaming this morning.
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Coverage starts TONIGHT.
I tuned in at 8pm and one of the first things Bob Costas mentioned was that later in the evening, as part of the primetime coverage, there'll be some discussion, along with some talking head expert, on some of the issues that have been surrounding the games: security, how ready is Russia, terror threats, political something-or-other, blah blah blah.

Really? Can't they just have their prime time coverage of the games - I don't know - just stick to the games?
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I had thought that the TEAM skating competition was simply taking scores from the other competitions (men, women, pairs, dance) and then using that to give an award to a team (country). But it seems like it's a totally separate competition? I.e. performances specifically for the TEAM competition that are not connected to the other performances for men, women, pairs, and dance?
Correct. Ten countries qualified based on performances in 2013 competitions; each one has one entry in each discipline (men, ladies, pairs, dance) perform a short program; each discipline scores 10 team points for first, 9 for second, and so on. The top five in points after the short programs then do a free skate (the new name for "long program") in each discipline, again with the 10-down-to-1 points for places; the most points (combining the short and free rounds) wins the gold. Note that each country may make two changes (changing either or both skaters in pairs or dance counts as one change) between the short and free rounds. Also, each entry has to have qualified in an individual event, except in the case where a country didn't qualify anybody in a particular discipline (so, for example, USA couldn't add Mirai Nagasu to the Olympic team to compete in just the team competition).
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I tuned in at 8pm and one of the first things Bob Costas mentioned was that later in the evening, as part of the primetime coverage, there'll be some discussion, along with some talking head expert, on some of the issues that have been surrounding the games: security, how ready is Russia, terror threats, political something-or-other, blah blah blah.

Really? Can't they just have their prime time coverage of the games - I don't know - just stick to the games?
"The Games" includes everything that's going on in Russia. They can't entirely ignore all the side stories going on there. I'm with you that I hope they strike the right balance between covering the competition and dealing with all the politics, but they wouldn't be doing their jobs there if they didn't at least acknowledge all that other nonsense.
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The top five in points after the short programs then do a free skate (the new name for "long program") in each discipline
Au contraire. The 'short program' (aka technical progam) is a johnny-come lately; it was introduced in 1964 for pairs, and in 1973 for singles. The 'long program' is the new name for the free skating part of the competition.

Before the introduction of the technical program, competitions for singles skaters consisted of compulsory figures and free skating, and free skating for pairs.
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For ice dancing, it goes like this:

Ice dancing came into being in 1952, and did not join the Olympics until 1976. Ice dancers used to skate two compulsory dances (where, apart from an introduction and a few steps at the end, all of the skaters performed exactly the same steps, to one of four different selections of music), an Original Set Pattern (OSP), and a free dance.

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The OSP was an original dance created by each couple, in which they had to perform a sequence of steps three times. Theoretically the best OSPs could be added to the list of compulsory dances.

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In 1995 the OSP morphed into the Original Dance (OD) and dropped the requirement that the dancers had to repeat the steps.

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Eventually the compulsory dances were dropped from two to one and in the 2010-11 season, the compulsory and the OD were combined to make what we have now, the Short Dance. The short dance has a required pattern from one of the old compulsory dances and half choreography made up by the couple themselves. For all of these forms -- OSP, OD, or SD -- the dance rhythm is dictated by the rules each year.

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The free dance, like the free skate in pairs and singles, is done to music of the couples' own choosing.

This is a simplified explanation. Like all of the singles and pairs programs the dancers (now) have technical requirements the programs have to meet; it's all spelled out in the rulebook each year.

You can only get away with skating around in circles and waving your arms frantically if you are Russian.
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I tuned in at 8pm and one of the first things Bob Costas mentioned was that later in the evening, as part of the primetime coverage, there'll be some discussion, along with some talking head expert, on some of the issues that have been surrounding the games: security, how ready is Russia, terror threats, political something-or-other, blah blah blah.

Really? Can't they just have their prime time coverage of the games - I don't know - just stick to the games?
Wouldn't that be like showing the Super Bowl without discussing Sherman's tirade after the NFC Championship. I think it's fine to have this discussion, especially when it's the first night which only has a few events and they can use it to set the stage as to what's going on.

To me the Olympics is not just about the sports, but about the culture of the Olympics, of the host city. Each Olympics have their own story to tell. Part of the story is that it's Putin's Olympics and how it's effecting everything about it.

I didn't see much of the first night but flipped it on when they were talking about this with Vladimir Pozner who was a former Soviet Era TV reporter who used to be on American TV to discuss the USSR. Was this what they were talking about? (Pozner always creeped me out during the Cold War as his English is flawless. I always swore he was a spy.
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Wouldn't that be like showing the Super Bowl without discussing Sherman's tirade after the NFC Championship. I think it's fine to have this discussion, especially when it's the first night which only has a few events and they can use it to set the stage as to what's going on. To me the Olympics is not just about the sports, but about the culture of the Olympics, of the host city. Each Olympics have their own story to tell. Part of the story is that it's Putin's Olympics and how it's effecting everything about it. I didn't see much of the first night but flipped it on when they were talking about this with Vladimir Pozner who was a former Soviet Era TV reporter who used to be on American TV to discuss the USSR. Was this what they were talking about? (Pozner always creeped me out during the Cold War as his English is flawless. I always swore he was a spy.
Of course he was a spy. All soviets were spies back then.

Unless you meant one of ours. Then, no, we'd have the guy speak like Boris Badenov.
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Here's the TV schedule for the next three days. Note that NBCSN's programming "blocks" don't necessarily correspond to events.

All times are Eastern, and are AM unless otherwise noted

Events not on NBC are live unless otherwise noted

[D] indicates this will also be on NBC's daytime afternoon broadcast
[P] indicates this will also be on NBC's primetime broadcast
[L] indicates this will also be on NBC's late night broadcast

Saturday 2/8
12:30 - Snowboarding - M Slopestyle Final (NBC prime)
3:00 - Hockey - W USA-Finland (NBCSN)
5:00 - Cross-Country - W Skiathlon 15K (NBCSN [D])
6:30 - Speed Skating - M 5000 (NBCSN [D])
8:00 - Hockey - W Canada-Switzerland (MSNBC)
9:00 - Skiing - W Moguls Final (NBC prime)
9:30 - Biathlon - M Sprint 10K (NBC day)
9:30 - Figure Skating - Team Dance & W Short, Pairs Free (NBCSN [P,L])
9:30 - Luge - M Singles Runs 1 & 2 (NBC late)
11:30 - Ski Jumping - M Normal Hill Qualifying (NBC day)

Sunday 2/9
1:30 - Snowboarding - W Slopestyle Final (NBC prime)
2:00 - Skiing - M Downhill (NBC prime)
3:00 - Hockey - W Sweden-Japan (NBCSN)
5:00 - Cross-Country - M Skiathlon 30K (NBCSN 5:30 [D])
6:30 - Speed Skating - W 3000 (NBCSN [D])
8:00 - Hockey - W Russia-Germany (MSNBC)
9:30 - Biathlon - W 7.5K Sprint (NBC day)
9:30 - Luge - Men's Singles Final Runs (NBCSN [L])
10:00 - Figure Skating - Team Men, Ladies, Dance Free (NBCSN [D,P])
12:30 PM - Ski Jumping - M Normal Hill Final (NBCSN [P])

Monday 2/10
Midnight - Curling - M rounds 1 & 2, W round 1 (Canada-Germany on NBCSN at 3:00)
2:00 - Skiing - Women's Super Combined (NBC prime)
4:45 - Short Track - M 1500; W 500 heats; W Relay SF (NBC prime (M 1500); NBC late (W 500 & Relay))
5:00 - Curling - W round 1 (USA-Switzerland on USA)
5:00 - Hockey - W USA-SUI (NBCSN)
8:00 - Speed Skating - M 500 (NBCSN [D])
9:00 - Skiing - M Moguls (NBC prime)
9:45 - Luge - W Singles Runs 1 & 2 (NBCSN 0815 [L])
10:00 - Curling - M round 2 (USA-Norway on CNBC 5:00 PM)
10:00 - Biathlon - M 12.5K Pursuit (NBC Day)
10:00 - Hockey - W Canada-Finland (NBCSN)

Tuesday 2/11
Midnight - Curling - W round 2 (USA-Russia on NBCSN at 3:00)
1:00 - Skiing - W Slopestyle Final (NBC Day & Prime)
5:00 - Hockey - W Germany-Sweden (* not on TV)
5:00 - Curling - M round 3 (USA-China on USA)
5:00 - Cross-Country - W & M Sprint (NBCSN [D])
5:00 - Snowboarding - M Halfpipe (NBC Prime)
7:45 - Speed Skating - W 500 (NBCSN 1:30 PM [L])
9:30 - Luge - W Singles Final Runs (NBC Day)
10:00 - Hockey - W Russia-Japan (MSNBC)
10:00 - Curling - W round 3 (USA-Great Britain CNBC 5:00 PM)
10:00 - Biathlon - W 10K Pursuit {NBC Late)
10:00 - Figure Skating - Pairs Short (NBCSN [P])
12:30 PM - Ski Jumping - W Normal Hill (NBCSN 1:30 PM [P])

Wednesday 2/12
Midnight - Curling - M round 4 (USA-Denmark on NBCSN at 3:00)
2:00 - Skiing - W Downhill (NBC Prime)
3:00 - Hockey - W Switzerland-Finland (MSNBC)
4:30 - Nordic Combined - Individual Normal Hill (NBCSN [D])
5:00 - Curling - W round 4 (USA-China on USA)
5:00 - Snowboarding - W Halfpipe (NBC Prime)
7:30 - Hockey - W USA-Canada (NBCSN)
9:00 - Speed Skating - M 1000 (NBC Prime)
9:15 - Luge - M Doubles Runs 1 & 2 (NBCSN [L])
10:00 - Curling - M round 5 (Great Britain-Switzerland on CNBC)
10:45 - Figure Skating - Pairs Free (NBCSN [P])
Noon - Hockey - M Czech Republic-Sweden, Latvia-Switzerland (USA / MSNBC)

Thursday 2/13
Midnight - Curling - W round 5 (* no games in this round are on TV)
1:15 - Skiing - M Slopestyle (NBC prime)
2:30 - Skeleton - W Runs 1 & 2 (NBCSN [P])
3:00 - Hockey - M Finland-Austria, W Japan-Germany (NBCSN / * Japan-Germany not on TV)
5:00 - Curling - M round 6 (USA-Great Britain on USA; Canada-Denmark on MSNBC at 1000)
5:00 - Cross-Country - W 10K Classical (NBCSN)
5:00 - Short Track - W 500; M 1000 heats; M Relay SF (NBC late (may not include M 1000))
7:30 - Hockey - M Russia-Slovenia, USA-Slovakia (MSNBC / NBCSN)
9:00 - Biathlon - M 20K (NBC Day)
9:00 - Speed Skating - W 1000 (NBC prime)
9:00 - Figure Skating - M Short (NBCSN [P])
10:00 - Hockey - M Canada-Norway, W Sweden-Russia (USA / MSNBC)
10:00 - Curling - W round 6 (USA-Japan on CNBC at 5:00 PM)
11:15 - Luge - Team Relay (NBC Day)

Friday 2/14
Midnight - Curling - M round 7 (USA-Germany on NBCSN at 3:00)
2:00 - Skiing - M Super Combined (NBC Prime)
3:00 - Hockey - M Czech Republic-Latvia (MSNBC)
5:00 - Curling - W round 7 (USA-Denmark on USA)
5:00 - Cross-Country - M 15K Classical (NBCSN)
7:30 - Skeleton - Men's Runs 1 & 2; Women's Final Runs (Women on NBC Prime; Men on NBC Late)
7:30 - Hockey - M Sweden-Switzerland (NBCSN)
8:45 - Skiing - W Aerials (NBC Day & Prime)
9:00 - Biathlon - W 15K (NBC Day)
5:00 - Curling - M round 8 (USA-Russia on CNBC at 5:00 PM)
10:00 - Figure Skating - M Free (NBCSN [P])
Noon - Hockey - M Canada-Austria, Norway-Finland (USA / MSNBC)
12:30 PM - Ski Jumping - M Large Hill Qualifying (NBCSN [L])

Saturday 2/15
Midnight - Curling - W round 8 (Canada-Japan on MSNBC at 5:30)
2:00 - Skiing - W Super-G (NBC Prime)
3:00 - Hockey - M Slovakia-Slovenia, W Quarter-Final (M on NBCSN / W on MSNBC)
5:00 - Curling - M round 9 (* no games in this round are on TV)
5:00 - Cross-Country - W 4x5K Relay (NBCSN [D])
5:00 - Short Track - W 1500; M 1000 (W 1500 on NBC Day; M 1000 on NBC Prime)
7:00 - Hockey - M USA-Russia, W Quarter-Final (M on NBCSN / W on MSNBC)
8:30 - Speed Skating - M 1500 (NBC Prime)
9:45 - Skeleton - M Final Runs (NBCSN [D])
10:00 - Curling - W round 9 (USA-Sweden on CNBC at 5:00 PM [L])
Noon - Hockey - M Sweden-Latvia, Switzerland-Czech Republic (USA / NBCSN)
12:30 PM - Ski Jumping - M Large Hill (NBC Prime)

Sunday 2/16
Midnight - Curling - M round 10 (USA-Canada on NBCSN at 3:00)
2:00 - Skiing - M Super-G (NBC Prime)
2:00 - Snowboading - W Snowboard Cross (NBC Day & Prime)
3:00 - Hockey - M Austria-Norway, W Consolation (M on USA)
5:00 - Curling - W round 10 (USA-Canada on MSNBC)
5:00 - Cross-Country - M 4x10K Relay (NBCSN [D])
7:30 - Hockey - M USA-Slovenia, Russia-Slovakia (NBCSN / USA)
9:00 - Speed Skating - W 1500 (NBC Prime)
10:00 - Curling - M round 11 (USA-SWE on CNBC at 4:00 PM)
10:00 - Biathlon - M 15K Mass Start (NBCSN at 2:00 PM [L])
10:00 - Figure Skating - Dance Short (NBCSN [P])
11:15 - Bobsled - 2-Man Runs 1 & 2 (NBC Prime)
Noon - Hockey - M Finland-Canada, W Consolation (M on USA)

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So is there a way to watch the opening ceremonies live online?
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So is there a way to watch the opening ceremonies live online?
My guess is, no (at least not in the USA...at least, not without finding a way to get a foreign broadcaster to think you're in their country) - I don't think NBC streamed the opening or closing ceremonies for London either.
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Yes, using a VPN to pretend you're not in the US.
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To me the Olympics is not just about the sports, but about the culture of the Olympics, of the host city. Each Olympics have their own story to tell. Part of the story is that it's Putin's Olympics and how it's effecting everything about it.
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If it wasn't about the culture of the host city/country, they wouldn't have such an elaborate process for selecting a host city. If they wanted to remove all of that, they would host the Olympics in the exact same place every time.
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Here's the TV schedule for the next three days. {snip}


[D] indicates this will also be on NBC's daytime afternoon broadcast
[P] indicates this will also be on NBC's primetime broadcast
[L] indicates this will also be on NBC's late night broadcast
So this means that if I record absolutely everything, I'm going to get duplicates, or at least partial duplicates of everything with these letters? Ugh...
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Yup.

If it wasn't about the culture of the host city/country, they wouldn't have such an elaborate process for selecting a host city. If they wanted to remove all of that, they would host the Olympics in the exact same place every time.
I can't wait for the Rio games. What an interesting place to hold the Olympics. I hope they show plenty of beach scenes
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So this means that if I record absolutely everything, I'm going to get duplicates, or at least partial duplicates of everything with these letters? Ugh...
Yes. Or did you really think that NBC wouldn't air figure skating in prime time when it announced that every figure skating routine would air live on NBC Sports Network?
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Yes, using a VPN to pretend you're not in the US.
A VPN, Playcast and Roku enabled me to watch the commercial free BBC feed on my big screen. Picture was a little pixelated at times but overall it wasn't bad.
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Yes. Or did you really think that NBC wouldn't air figure skating in prime time when it announced that every figure skating routine would air live on NBC Sports Network?
Not only that, they re-air their prime-time programing late at night/early in the morning.
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Yes. Or did you really think that NBC wouldn't air figure skating in prime time when it announced that every figure skating routine would air live on NBC Sports Network?
You assume that I have been paying enough attention to remember such announcements
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Not only that, they re-air their prime-time programing late at night/early in the morning.
The prime time commentary is different than the live commentary, though NBC is pretending the prime time commentary is live. I don't know why the prime time commentary is different, considering the live commentary is infinitely better. The current prime time commentary for figure skating is horrible with them poorly feigning surprise at things they already no are about to happen. It was better this morning.
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