ARCHIVE THREAD: Old TiVo Programme Listings/Schedule Errors

[sjp]

Series 4 of The West Wing starts later this month on E4... Both Tivo and Digiguide have it starting on July 22nd while the Sky Mag has it starting on the 24th.

Although the Sky Mag isn't reknowned for its accuracy it does have it starting on a Thursday which was the night that series 3 episodes were first aired (and earlier series iirc). Of course, E4 may well be moving it to Tuesdays.

Possibly worth double checking.

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

CHannel Name: BBC1Sco

Channel Name: 101

Program Name: Bailiffs

Time/Date Of Airing: Thu 10/7 3:40am

Problem: Wrong Guide Data.

Wasn`t `Bailiffs`, was actually `Wildife On One`

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: Motors

Channel Number: 416

Program Name: British GT Racing

Time/Date Of Airing: Sat 12/7 6:00pm

Problem: Inaccurate guide data.

Listed as `Round 5 from Castle Combe`, was actually Round 6.

This error was reported 3 weeks ago and still hasn`t been fixed!!! :(

[cwaring]

Someone seems to have messed up the programme description for today's "The Bill" episodes on UK Gold. Here (from Digiguide) is the correct info:

12pm
Protect and Survive.
New staff member DC Webb faces his first night duty alone at Sun Hill, as a dangerous escaped con is spotted in the area. As the relief gradually succumb to injury and the con draws ever closer, the night proves to be a memorable one.

1pm
Take It or Leave It.
When his old girlfriend gets knocked down by a car, skeletons begin to rattle very loudly in Beech's cupboard.

2pm
Over the Edge.
An officer is accused of disobeying an order during a riot situation. Brownlow and Mannion are on the disciplinary board which must find the truth.

3pm
Loyalty.
Webb and Holmes are mystified by Lennox's behaviour during an enquiry, not knowing that he is carrying out his own unofficial investigation.

4pm
Wheels.
Hagen is chosen to drive the new crime car, and Stamp isn't happy about it.

5pm
Warm Bodies (Part 1).
Boulton and Stanton join forces when their two separate assaults seem to be connected, but does Stanton have an ulterior motive?

6pm
Warm Bodies (Part 2).
Boulton and Stanton press on with their investigations. But who is the other man in Stanton's life?

[cwaring]

Just noticed that "Quantum Leap" had the right ep title but wrong description. I assume this is the data supplier's fault and not Tribune.

[Fishy]

Postcode: TW8
Service Provider: Sky
Channel Name: BBC Parliament
Programme Name: All Select Committees
Date & time: Every Day
Problem:

I don't know where the data is coming from for this channel but its really bad quality, often it shows select committees as one 6 hour program, with nothing at all about which are being shown. This would be same as putting BBC1 , 6-12pm Drama!!!

The sky guide correctly shows this "block" as separate programs for each committee.

Having an interest in one committee, it makes the Tivo useless for finding when its being shown, and recording it.

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: Motors

Channel Number: 416

Programme Name: British GT Racing

Time/Date Of Airing: Mon 14/7 3:30am

Problem: Wrong guide data.

Listed as `Round 5 of the British GT series`, was actually `Legends`, a support race to the BTCC.

[cwaring]

Why are some people reporting errors in the past tense; ie "Listed as `Round 5 of the British GT series`, was actually `Legends`, a support race to the BTCC". Surely this is of no use to Tribune?

[Toothy]

And your point is what exactly? :confused:

The amount of errors I am experiencing, whether it is the fault of Tribune or not, is unacceptable.

In fact, I`m seriously considering cancelling my monthly sub, as the service is not really worth £10.

Why are some people reporting errors in the past tense; ie "Listed as `Round 5 of the British GT series`, was actually `Legends`, a support race to the BTCC". Surely this is of no use to Tribune?

It wasn`t in the past tense....I reported the error while the programme was still being transmitted.

:rolleyes:

[OzSat]

Originally posted by Toothy
Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: Motors

Channel Number: 416

Programme Name: British GT Racing

Time/Date Of Airing: Mon 14/7 3:30am

Problem: Wrong guide data.

Listed as `Round 5 of the British GT series`, was actually `Legends`, a support race to the BTCC. Motors listings are often wrong - but are as supplied by the broadcaster.

Motors own website shows British GT Round 5

[Jim99]

We appreciate whenever someone takes the time to post here. While there isn't much we can do about errors that occur in the past, we still catalogue them for future reference.

In this case, the error was made by the channel, not us. In the latest schedules we received, the programme was listed a British GT, not Legends. Same with the Round Five vs. Round Six issue. Perhaps you should drop them a line. The poblem with "Wildlife on One" occurred when our schedule provider missed an update from the BBC. We have been in contact with them to prevent this from happening again.

I'm sorry that you are experiencing problems but most of them are beyond our control. When a broadcaster's schedule or programme discription is inaccurate it is sometimes difficult to spot because we cannot monitor every channel 24/7. Please keep bringing these issues to our attention. It is appreciated.

[xxxx]

Sorry if this is the wrong place or the wrong way to report it but:

BBCRadio 7 on Sky Digital is incorrectly listed as channel 922 by my Tivo. This is the old channel number. BBCR7 is now on channel 881.

Maybe this is already in the pipeline for tomorrow's update.

[cwaring]

Originally posted by Toothy
And your point is what exactly? :confused:
....
It wasn`t in the past tense....I reported the error while the programme was still being transmitted.

:rolleyes:

That was my point :)

What I was trying to say is, the point of this thread is to inform Tribune of errors so that they can change the data in time.

It wasn't a completely serious post because I know you're posting so they can change future occurences. Sorry, must be the brain-melting temperatures. I'll use more smiley's next time :D :D

[OzSat]

Originally posted by xxxx
Sorry if this is the wrong place or the wrong way to report it but:

BBCRadio 7 on Sky Digital is incorrectly listed as channel 922 by my Tivo. This is the old channel number. BBCR7 is now on channel 881.

Maybe this is already in the pipeline for tomorrow's update. You should already find it available on 881 as it was added on TiVo on Sunday - but you'll need to change it over manually in the 'Channels I Receive'. 922 should be removed tomorrow(ish).

It was mentioned here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1250919#post1250919) - which is the place to report channel issues ;)

[mrtickle]

Postcode: B29
Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Channel Four (C4), E4 and E4+1 (E4P1)
Channel Number: 104, 205, 206
Programme Name: Big Brother
Time/Date of airing: various, see below

Loads and loads of Big Brother errors! :-(

1.

Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"18 July: Eviction Night" Fri 18th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 18th Jul 20:30 EP4461630162 } these three should be the same episode, "18 July: Eviction Night"
"18 July" Sat 19th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 19th Jul 11:25 EP4461630166 }
"18 July" Sat 19th Jul 2003 E4 Sat 19th Jul 14:00 EP4461630166 }

"17 July: Evictee Interview" Fri 18th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 18th Jul 22:00 EP4461630163 } these three should be the same episode, "18 July: Evictee Interview"
"18 July" Fri 18th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 19th Jul 11:55 EP4461630164 }
"18 July" Fri 18th Jul 2003 E4 Sat 19th Jul 14:30 EP4461630164 }



2-6.

Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"20 July" Sun 20th Jul 2003 C4 Sun 20th Jul 21:00 EP4461630168 } these three should be the same episode, "20 July"
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4 Mon 21st Jul 14:00 EP4461630169 }
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4P1 Mon 21st Jul 15:00 EP4461630169 }

"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 C4 Mon 21st Jul 22:00 EP4461630169 } these four should be the same episode, "21 July"
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 C4 Tue 22nd Jul 10:00 EP4461630169 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4 Tue 22nd Jul 14:00 EP4461630170 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4P1 Tue 22nd Jul 15:00 EP4461630170 }

"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 C4 Tue 22nd Jul 22:00 EP4461630174 } these four should be the same episode, "22 July"
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 C4 Wed 23rd Jul 10:00 EP4461630171 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4 Wed 23rd Jul 14:00 EP4461630171 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4P1 Wed 23rd Jul 15:00 EP4461630171 }

"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 C4 Wed 23rd Jul 22:00 EP4461630171 } these four should be the same episode, "23 July"
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 C4 Thu 24th Jul 10:00 EP4461630172 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4 Thu 24th Jul 14:00 EP4461630172 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4P1 Thu 24th Jul 15:00 EP4461630172 }

"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 C4 Thu 24th Jul 22:00 EP4461630175 } these four should be the same episode, "24 July"
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 10:00 EP4461630175 }
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4 Fri 25th Jul 14:00 EP4461630173 }
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4P1 Fri 25th Jul 15:00 EP4461630173 }



7-10. Once again, the Friday eviction episodes are missing from the Big Brother series and have been put into the "Big Brother Live" Season pass by mistake. Please can they be put back as they were for the other weeks?
This mistake has happened in the original data for Friday 27th June, Friday 11th July and now Friday 25th July :(. The data was fine for the other 6 weeks.


Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 20:30 EP4448750129 - MISSING from this Season Pass
"25 July" Sat 26th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 26th Jul 01:15 EP4461630176 - should be a duplicate

"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 22:00 EP4448750130 - MISSING from this Season Pass
"25 July" Sat 26th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 26th Jul 02:20 EP4461630177 - should be a duplicate


The descriptions of these are really great; all that needs changing are the series, TmsId and episode titles. (Something like "Final, part 1" and "Final, part 2")

Please can this all be fixed ASAP! Ta.


Postcode: B29
Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Channel Four (C4), E4 and E4+1 (E4P1)
Channel Number: 104, 205, 206
Programme Name: Big Brother's Little Brother
Time/Date of airing: various, see below

I'm afraid to say this is a really terrible mess. In some cases you could get the same episode recorded three times, and miss other episodes completely :-(


Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"20 July" Sun 20th Jul 2003 C4 Sun 20th Jul 13:50 EP4457370159 } these four should be the same episode, "20 July"
"20 July" Sun 20th Jul 2003 E4 Sun 20th Jul 19:00 EP4457370159 }
"20 July" Sun 20th Jul 2003 E4 Sun 20th Jul 22:30 EP4457370159 }
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 C4 Mon 21st Jul 09:30 EP4457370160 }

"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 C4 Mon 21st Jul 18:00 EP4457370165 } these six should be the same episode, "21 July"
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4 Mon 21st Jul 20:00 EP4457370160 }
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4P1 Mon 21st Jul 21:00 EP4457370160 }
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4 Mon 21st Jul 22:35 EP4457370160 }
"21 July" Mon 21st Jul 2003 E4P1 Mon 21st Jul 23:35 EP4457370160 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 C4 Tue 22nd Jul 09:30 EP4457370161 }

"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 C4 Tue 22nd Jul 18:00 EP4457370166 } these six should be the same episode, "22 July"
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4 Tue 22nd Jul 20:00 EP4457370161 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4P1 Tue 22nd Jul 21:00 EP4457370161 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4 Tue 22nd Jul 22:35 EP4457370161 }
"22 July" Tue 22nd Jul 2003 E4P1 Tue 22nd Jul 23:35 EP4457370161 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 C4 Wed 23rd Jul 09:30 EP4457370162 }

"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 C4 Wed 23rd Jul 18:00 EP4457370167 } these six should be the same episode, "23 July"
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4 Wed 23rd Jul 20:00 EP4457370162 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4P1 Wed 23rd Jul 21:00 EP4457370162 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4 Wed 23rd Jul 22:35 EP4457370162 }
"23 July" Wed 23rd Jul 2003 E4P1 Wed 23rd Jul 23:35 EP4457370162 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 C4 Thu 24th Jul 09:30 EP4457370163 }

"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4 Thu 24th Jul 18:00 EP4457370163 } these six should be the same episode, "24 July"
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4P1 Thu 24th Jul 19:00 EP4457370163 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4 Thu 24th Jul 20:00 EP4457370163 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4P1 Thu 24th Jul 21:00 EP4457370163 }
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 C4 Thu 24th Jul 23:10 EP4457370168 }
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 09:30 EP4457370164 }

"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4 Fri 25th Jul 18:00 EP4457370164 } these five should be the same episode, "25 July"
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4P1 Fri 25th Jul 19:00 EP4457370164 } (no 18:00 on C4 because of the Cricket!!!)
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4 Fri 25th Jul 20:00 EP4457370164 }
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 E4P1 Fri 25th Jul 21:00 EP4457370164 }
"25 July" Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 26th Jul 00:45 EP4457370169 }


Please can this all be fixed ASAP! Ta.

[DazBarber]

Wow Mr Tickle - thanks for putting in all that hard work for us TiVo-owning BigBrother fans! Now, just one more thing... you're not related to you-know-who are you...? ;)

[xxxx]

You should already find it available on 881 as it was added on TiVo on Sunday - but you'll need to change it over manually in the 'Channels I Receive'. 922 should be removed tomorrow(ish).

I thought that I'd seen something about BBCR7 in one of the Tivo service messages the other day. That explains it.


It was mentioned here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1250919#post1250919) - which is the place to report channel issues ;)

Doh!

[mrtickle]

Originally posted by DazBarber
Wow Mr Tickle - thanks for putting in all that hard work for us TiVo-owning BigBrother fans!


No probs! Didn't have time to check last week, pity no-one else did :rolleyes: ;)


Now, just one more thing... you're not related to you-know-who are you...? ;)

Hehe, that would be telling! I do like sci-fi and I tend to drone on a lot, but I don't have the highly paid job to go with it :)

[cwaring]

Platform: Telewest
Channel: Hallmark (HALLMK, I think!)
Programme : "JAG"
Time: 8pm, repeated 1am
Day: Mon to Fri

Can you see if you can get episode descriptions for this show from whoever provides the data for it. It's not vital, but would be nice. Digiguide has them ;)

Thanks.

[cwaring]

FYI :)

Taken from: http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/content/schedule_updates/

---
FilmFour film changes for 16/7/03

Please note the new schedule:

6:00pm Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger
8:00pm The Virgin Suicides
10:00pm Final Destination
12:00am Cruising
1:40am Venus Beauty Institute
3:20am She's Gotta Have It
4:45am A-Haunting We Will Go

The above films replace The Magnificent Seven, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, I Know What You Did Last Summer, I Still Know What You Did Last Summer, Les Amants du Pont-Neuf and Choose Me.
---

I wonder why they had to do that? Seems a little extreme, changing every film :)

[mrtickle]

Postcode: B29
Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Channel Four (C4), E4 and E4+1 (E4P1)
Channel Number: 104, 205, 206
Programme Name: Big Brother, Big Brother's Little Brother
Time/Date of airing: various, see below

Thankyou for fixing most of the errors but these remain:

These showings of Big Brother's Little Brother have found their way into the "Big Brother" SP:

Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4 Thu 24th Jul 18:00 EP4461630175 should be in "Big Brother's Little Brother" SP, not "Big Brother" SP. Should be EP4457370168
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4P1 Thu 24th Jul 19:00 EP4461630175 as above
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4 Thu 24th Jul 20:00 EP4461630175 as above
"24 July" Thu 24th Jul 2003 E4P1 Thu 24th Jul 21:00 EP4461630175 as above


(Big Brother's Little Brother isn't on C4 at 18:00 on Thu 24th and Fri 25th because of the cricket)

The Final eviction is still missing from the "Big Brother" SP:

Episode Orig.Air Date Channel Date Time TmsId
"25 July: Final"Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 20:30 EP4448750129 should be (EP4461630176) in "Big Brother" SP, not "Big Brother Live" SP
"25 July: Final"Fri 25th Jul 2003 C4 Fri 25th Jul 22:00 EP4448750130 should be (EP4461630177) in "Big Brother" SP, not "Big Brother Live" SP. Episode title would be better if it said part 2
"25 July" Sat 26th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 26th Jul 01:15 EP4461630176 should be duplicate of C4 Fri 25th Jul 20:30
"25 July" Sat 26th Jul 2003 C4 Sat 26th Jul 02:20 EP4461630177 should be duplicate of C4 Fri 25th Jul 22:30


(Digiguide also still has this error. The eviction programmes are not "live streaming" broadcasts and so they should not be in the "Big Brother Live" series)


Phew. I'll be glad when BB is over, I bet you will too :D

[sjp]

ahhh what wonderful words... "25 July: Final" :D

[scoopuk]

Postcode: B29
Provider: Telewest Digital
Channel Name: Eurosport
Channel Number:
Programme Name: Football
Time/Date of airing: 1800 2/8/03

this should be the great Arsenal's pre-season friendly:

from http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/V3/L2/S10000/tvschedule_Lng2_Spo10000_Prs8_Ven2.shtml

18:00 Football
Friendly Match
Celtic Glasgow vs Arsenal

and this from digiguide:

SPORT: Football
Channel: British Eurosport
Date: Saturday 2nd August 2003
Time: 18:00 to 20:00 (starting in 7 days)
Duration: 2 hours.
(Celtic v Arsenal)
Friendly pre-season match between Celtic and Arsenal from Parkhead.

Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.digiguide.com. Copyright ©1999-2002 GipsyMedia Ltd. Information copied from DigiGuide cannot be re-distributed, sold or used without prior written consent from GipsyMedia Ltd. All rights reserved.

[shteve]

Postcode: CV2
Provider: SKY Digital
Channel: BBC2
Programme: Robot Wars Extreme
Time of airing: 25/7 19:00 & 1/8 19:00


The last two episodes and the next one all have the same episode name (new blood). The season pass is not recording past the first episode because it thinks they are repeats.

[doogie]

Postcode: All
Provider: Sky Digital
Channel: Live TV (274)
Programme: All

No listings for channel (just officially re-launched today).

Listings are now available on www.livetv.co.uk as a static 7 days a week listing.

[Jim99]

Still waiting for an official schedule from Live TV. They have promised it soon (last week actually) and we will update the data as soon as it is received.

(Hey, I wouldn't want to miss "Naked Darts" either!)

[Azrikam]

Apologies if this should be in another thread or if it's been mentioned before, but would it be possible to change the default placeholders for channels with no current guide data?

For example, Friendly TV (and numerous others) list placeholder shows of 4 hours in duration. On the occasions when I'm surfing (I know, I should be doing that, but sometimes I do) and I want to record a show, the easiest way is to hit the record button. Of course, even if the show you're watching is only 30 minutes, TiVo wants to record the entire 4 hour block, cancelling overlapping recordings in the process. Since very few (if any) shows are actually 4 hours long, wouldn't it cause less conflicts if the placeholders were 1 or 2 hours in duration?

I know I can create manual recordings, but it's not nearly as convenient.

[doogie]

Originally posted by Jim99
Still waiting for an official schedule from Live TV. They have promised it soon (last week actually) and we will update the data as soon as it is received.

(Hey, I wouldn't want to miss "Naked Darts" either!)

Excellent, glad to know it's being taken care of! :)

[mrtickle]

Me too! I certainly remember such delights as "Tiffany's Big City Tips" (prim and proper finance woman reads [genuine] finance news, whilst stripping and keeping a straight face) and "I've Got Wood", as well as "Topless Darts from the Titanic" :D

[Brownedger]

- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider: ( Sky Digital)
- Channel Name: E Entertainment
- Channel Number: 250
- Programme Name: E News
- Time/Date of airing : Mon to Fri 6.00am, 1.00pm, 6.00pm, 12.00am
- Problem encountered: There is no 1.00pm showing and the 6.00pm progs actually begins at 7.00pm.

[Brownedger]

Originally posted by Brownedger
- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider: ( Sky Digital)
- Channel Name: E Entertainment
- Channel Number: 250
- Programme Name: E News
- Time/Date of airing : Mon to Fri 6.00am, 1.00pm, 6.00pm, 12.00am
- Problem encountered: There is no 1.00pm showing and the 6.00pm progs actually begins at 7.00pm.


Ammendment to the above

There is also no 6.00am show MON to FRI but there is on SAT morning

[OzSat]

BBC2NI and BBC2NID for Sunday 3rd August - should be:

1:30pm: Sunday Grandstand from Northern Ireland. (Available on Freeview and Cable Only) Jerome Quinn introduces live coverage of the Bank of Ireland Senior Football Championship quarter-finals between Tyrone and Fermanagh at 2.00, and of Armagh and Laois at 3.45. Analysis by Martin McHugh and Jarlath Burns. Then from about 5.30, British Ladies' Open golf from Royal Lytham.

Note that BBC2NID on satellite will carry BBC2 England.

[Dave Marley]

Platform: Sky Digital
Channel: E4/C4
Programme: Hollyoaks Omnibus
Time: Saturday afternoon E4 & Sunday morning C4

With 2 season passes set for the Hollyoaks Omnibus, one on C4 and one on E4, both of the programmes are recorded, although they are the same.

P.S. I feel obliged to point out that my wife records them... :rolleyes:

[bucksmario]

Platform: NTL Analgoue (Milton Keynes)
Channel: Sky Movies Cinema

The Blob is listed on the Sky Cinema and TV Satellite Europe as being on in the wee hours of the morning 8/8/03 at 02:30.

This is the fifties version not the remake.

According to my TiVo no such version of the Blob is going to be shown.

It lists a modern remake, but nothing in that time slot.

Unlike many films on the Sky Movies cycle, this is only on once a blue moon and don't want to miss it.

Any one confirm.

[cwaring]

Originally posted by bucksmario
According to my TiVo no such version of the Blob is going to be shown.
Any one confirm.

DigiGuide also has the 1958 version listed for 02:30 on 8/8/03.

[randap]

Platform: Sky Digital
Channel: Granada Men & Motors (GMM)
Programme : "2 Wheels 2003"
Time: Various
Day: Various

I set an SP on Granada Men&Motors for "2 Wheels 2003" the other day, and on reviewing 'Now Playing' found a number of episodes had been recorded.

However, all recorded episodes so far have been for the same show, and looking at the guide data for each, shows them the same.

Why has TiVo not used the 28 day rule and only recorded one? Is the guide data for future episodes going to be the same as the first episode?

[randap]

Platform: Sky Digital
Channel: BBC1 (BBC1EM)
Programme : "Holby City"
Time: 8pm
Day: Tues (extra show Wed 6-Aug-03)

Guide data for tonight's (Wed 6th) Holby City on BBC1 is the same as last night's episode and so falls foul of the 28 day rule - hence was not in my To Do List.

If I hadn't been watching Holby City live last night :o , I wouldn't have known that there is another episode tonight and wouldn't have found the error (please don't shoot me for watching live tv!!) and set a manual recording.

[pmk]

Originally posted by randap
I set an SP on Granada Men&Motors for "2 Wheels 2003" the other day, and on reviewing 'Now Playing' found a number of episodes had been recorded.

However, all recorded episodes so far have been for the same show, and looking at the guide data for each, shows them the same.

Why has TiVo not used the 28 day rule and only recorded one? Is the guide data for future episodes going to be the same as the first episode?

It has been said in the past it is impossible to set the 28 day rule for all programmes. Mainly the most popular channels / programmes have it set but all others you will have to put up with duplicates in the Now Playing.

I can name three which annoy me to death "Cybernet - ITV1", "Talking Movies - BBCNEWS24" and "Click Online - BBCNEWS24" these have been reported numourous times. "Jim from Tribune" posted saying these will never be fixed due to reasons above and bad guide data from the broadcasters.

At least it it set so you get duplicates its better than it missing an episode.

HTH

[Paj]

For all of those examples I just have to use a "Keep-until-I-Delete" "Keep at most one". At least there's only one episode a week to deal with, so it's fine as long as I watch and delete by the following week.

[verses]

I have a wishlist set for "spiderman", and jsut discovered that TiVo's been missing episodes of the cartoon cos it's shown as a program on the kids TV show Up on the Roof. It is contained in the description for UotR but it's written as "Spider-man" unless I'm missing a way of adding dash's to wishlists is it possible to have the UotR description modified to say Spiderman not Spider-man

Cheers,

Ian.

[OzSat]

Too late for TiVo action now but - the Sporting Lisbon v Manchester United match was pulled from the British Eurosport schedules. It is now only on MUTV and Eurosport International.

[cwaring]

Platform: Telewest Digital
Name: Gamezville
Channel: Sky One 120
Date: Monday 11th August 2003
Time: 16:00 to 17:00
Duration: 1 hour.

The above programme seems to have two problems.

1. Mis-categorised. It is NOT a "gameshow" but a show about games; console games, PC games, etc.

DigiGuide has the correct, if generic, description:
"Games magazine, featuring news, reviews, gossip and debate."

2. This programme is repeated on the following week-day at 9am. However, when setting a SP for this programme, Tivo says it will record the afternoon showing as there are no clashes, but will not record the repeat due to a clash. "VIP" on Bravo as it happens ;)

It's a while since I've set an SP for a daily-repeated show so can't remember if this is normal. One would expect it to not mention the repeats if it can get the first showing :)

[OzSat]

Not actually a schedule error but worth reporting as its not in the synopsis - Sportscene on BBC1 Scotland (BBC1SCO) at 12.10pm on Saturday 9th August - is Not available to Digital Satellite viewers

The same also applies to The Championship on BBC2 Northern Ireland (BBC2NI/BBC2NID) at 10.45pm on Sunday 10th August - but this is not currently listing on TiVo at all! :(

[AENG]

My Season Pass for "ER" on Ch 4 failed to pick up this week's episode (Wednesday) for no reason I can detect. There's nothing in History to show why and there was no other show being recorded at the time. To Do List told me next week's "will not be recorded" either. Trying to add a new season pass tells me I already have one. So I selected "record this episode" for next week's showing and it accepted without comment. Weird or what?

[mrtickle]

Originally posted by AENG
My Season Pass for "ER" on Ch 4 failed to pick up this week's episode (Wednesday) for no reason I can detect. There's nothing in History to show why

Aha! Having nothing in the Recording History points to you having a "First Run Only" SP. You shouldn't have! The episode's First Run airdate will be that of its UK premiere on E4.

See the FAQ thread - first run is only needed when there are two different series of a programme on the same channel at the same time (eg the Simpsons on Sky One - First Run gets the Sunday new episodes and ignores the daily old episodes, and it doesn't fill the history with details of these).

Take FRO off all your SPs except the ones that really need them and it should be fine. Of my 153 SPs I have that option set on only 12.

HTH

[AENG]

OK mrtickle, thanks for that. I think I may have confused myself (too easy, these days :) ) as at one time I was having to remove about 4 old re-runs from the To Do List to get just one new episode a week. I thought at the time that selecting FRO seemed to cure the problem but maybe that coincided with the finish of the old repeats anyway. I've amended the SP as you suggest and will await the result with interest.

[sanderton]

Channel: BBC 4
Programme: Restoration Secrets

This is a series, but you can't set up a Season pass

Channel: BBC 7
Programme: Reduced Shakespeare Company Radio Show

The opposite problem - three different entries for teh same series!

Channel: Sky Sports 1/2/3/Extra
Programme: Rugby Club

Tribune data does not recognise that the same programme is shown on the four channels at various times on Thus and Fri, so a WL records multiple copies, as does setting multiple SPs. (4th or 5th time of posting..)

[Adder]

Platform: Sky Digital
Channel: 420 NASN
Times: 6:00 pm tonight and various future times on NASN

Programme: NASCAR Pre-Race

This seems to have recently gained an "isepisode=True", but I guess they are all set as the same episode as my TiVo hasn't wanted to record at least the last two weeks of pre-race shows!

Can we make these new every Sunday? Please.

While I am on the subject of motor racing:

Channel: 412 EUROGB
Time: 7pm 10/8
Programme: CART Racing

This programme was registering in the correct new series of "Champ Car World Series" correctly until I downloaded listing this morning, now it has reverted back to CART Racing, I'd have been quite narced if I hadn't, a) noticed and b) had the old season pass still!

Can we go back to Champ Car World Series again for Montreal on 24 August please if it isn't already set as that?

Many thanks. ;)

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: MTVUK2

Channel Number: 446

Programme Name: Beavis And Butt-Head

Time/Date Of Airing: Mon 11/8 11:00am & 11:30 am

Problem: I`ve just restored an image to a single big A drive, so this may be part of the problem.

Setting up a new SP for Beavis & Butt-head, the first recordings of that SP are wrong.

Channel 446 isn`t MTVUK2 but VH1...is my channel lineup wrong??

Also no B&B was recorded, just normal videos playing on a video channel.

[OzSat]

Originally posted by Toothy

Channel 446 isn`t MTVUK2 but VH1...is my channel lineup wrong?? You may need to re-run Guided Setup - it will be quick!

[Toothy]

Ok...that solves that one. :)

[Adder]

Right,

Here we go, an argh moment, it's down to the nebulous "Auto Racing" again:

The "American Le Mans Series" on Eurosport keeps being listed as "Auto Racing" with "American Le Mans Series" as the episode title.

My TiVo recorded the ALMS from Sonoma fine on Saturday night/Sunday morning on EUROGB, it then recorded the race from Trois-Riveres on Sunday night on the same channel.

Where it went annoyingly wrong was it recorded the race from Trois-Riveres again on Monday night as it was flagged as a different episode!

This meant my recording of the NASCAR Highlights on NASN didn't happpen, so I only saw half the show and NASN managed to screw up the second half that I did see themselves.

Can there be some checking of the "Auto Racing" shows on Eurosport to try and de-duplicate some of these episodes?

Eurosport International were showing Sumo at the time so I don't see the need why British Eurosport had to break away from that schedule and cause TiVo related chaos. :(

[pmk]

I cancelled my BBC1 17:30-17:35 Fame Academy showings as it was picking up this 5 min show instead of the 30 minutes show on CBBC 17:30-18:00. However TiVo is not picking up the CBBC showing on my Fame Academy Title Wish List? Recording History says I cancelled the 5 minute show but the 30 min show says it already exists but it doesn't only BBC3 Fame Academy is being picked up.

[Brownedger]

- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider:Sky Digital
- Channel Name: Sky Sports 1
- Channel Number: 401
- Programme Name: Cricket
- Time/Date of airing: 7.00pm on 19th August
- Problem encountered: Listing is wrong this cricket match is being shown on Sky Sports 3 (403) (and is listed there correctly).

On 401 there is international football in this slot 7pm to 10pm, Republic Ireland v Australia LIVE (friendly match)

[Toothy]

Not worthy of a thread on its own, so here is more suitable. :)

Is it possible for Tribune to pester the BBC for more accurate listings WRT to radio programmes?

My main beef is with 5 Live Formula 1, which is broadcast Fridays at 21:30.

Unfortunately it doesn`t have a separate listing, (despite having different presenters from the main show), it comes under Sport On Five, which is broadcast from 19:00 - 22:00.

But recording a 3 hour broadcast, just to catch a 30 minute broadcast is wasteful and excludes a lot of other programmes I do want to record.

[cwaring]

Originally posted by Toothy
But recording a 3 hour broadcast, just to catch a 30 minute broadcast is wasteful and excludes a lot of other programmes I do want to record.

You could manually record the last half-hour. Okay, I know you don't need a Tivo to do manual recordings (sledge-hammer/nut scenario) but i's better than recording all three hours :)

[mrtickle]

5 Live Formula 1 definitely used to have a separate listing?

[Toothy]

5 Live Formula 1 has now been listed separately. Thank you. :)

[cwaring]

I note with interest the lack of synopsis for the ITV1 episodes of "The Bill" (all regions and platforms) for the second week running. DG has them :)

[dd400005]

Listings for Sky Digital channel 250 (E!) are always incorrect.

I have about 10-15 recordings on my TiVo from that channel and every single program listed in TiVo is different to the program that was recorded.

For example, in my TiVo Now Playing listing I see "E! News Live" but when I watch it, I see the channel change (correct) and the Sky Digital banner shows something like "E! True Hollywood Story".

Just checked what's on now. My Sky Digital EPG shows current program as "Revealed with Jules Asnwer" and the next program as "Coming Attractions" and that matches what is actually on, and what the announcer just mentioned as the next show.

The TiVo EPG shows the current program as "Celebrity Profile" and the next program as "Mysteries and Scandals". Couldn't be more wrong really. I looked forward a few hours and there's no show that matches in both EPG's.

[DazBarber]

Postcode: RM17

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: TCM

Channel Number: 327

Programme Name: Giant/Tick... Tick... Tick...

Time/Date Of Airing: Weds 20/8 9:00pm onwards

Problem: 'Giant' is listed as running from 9:00pm until 2:30am where in fact it runs until 12:40am and is followed by tick... tick... tick... which is not currently listed.

[dallardice]

Postcode N1
Sky Digital
Programme: No Going Back - A Year in Tuscany
Channel 4 8.30pm 28/8

This is a spin-off series from 'No Going Back' (specifically, from the No Going Back episode called A Year in Tuscany)

The 28/8 episode will not record as it is set up as the 'Year in Tuscany' ep of 'No Going Back' - as has the episode tonight, on 21/8, so the 28-day rule applies. Last week's, on 14/8, had a different series ID and name of 'No Going Back: A Year in Tuscany'

The 28/8 ep should really be 'No Going Back: A Year in Tuscany" episode 3.

[dd400005]

E! TV listings still bear no resemblance to the Sky EPG guide (which is correct).

[KevinHopkins]

Postcode: NG4
Service Provider: Aerial
Channel Name: ITV1CEN
Channel Number: 61
Programme Name: Formula One
Time/Date Of Airing: Sun 24 Aug 03 1205pm

The live races used to have the phrase "Grand Prix Live" in the synopsis which allowed me to use a keyword wishlist to record just the race rather than qualifying. The Hungarian grand prix does not have this in the synopsis. I know it is too late to change it for this week's edition but could it be reinstated for future races?

(Or does anyone know a better way to catch just the race itself?)

[m97lrs]

I'm trying to get TiVo to set a season pass for Treasure Hunt on Challenge but TiVo currently thinks Challenge show three different series all with the same name... Now I could just set three season passes but it would be much neater if the guide data were correct!

(Postcode is RH1, Provider is NTL and Challenge is on channel 80)

[Ianl]

Originally posted by cwaring
I note with interest the lack of synopsis for the ITV1 episodes of "The Bill" (all regions and platforms) for the second week running. DG has them :)

and this week they got the two epiode descriptions the wrong way round

[cwaring]

Originally posted by Ianl
and this week they got the two epiode descriptions the wrong way round

I didn't want to say anything in case I upset them. "But at least we're trying!" :D

[Gavin]

Postcode: cm19
Service Provider: Aerial
Channel Name: c4
Channel Number: 23
Programme Name: No Going Back
Time/Date Of Airing: 29th August 8:30 I think

This is a 4 part series, yesterday was part 3, we have a season passfor it, but last nights was names No Going Back: A Year in Tuscany which is it's full titles. consequently Tivo missed it as the season pass is for No Going Back.

I know it's too late to do anything about last night, it was only by chance I checked the todo list and saw it, but I thought I'd mention is as next weeks is listed as the full title rather than the short title.

[pmk]

Gavin - to avoid this you may wish to use Title Wish Lists instead of Season Passes?

e.g. create a title wish list for "No Going Back" (WITH the quotes). I converted all but a couple of my SPs to title wish lists a couple months after getting my TiVo as this generally stops many guide errors like the one you describe.

You have to be careful with : , characters etc (e.g. if a : is in the title you exclude it but others you need to replace with a space etc).

Obviously programmes with really common names generally will not work as a generic title wish list (e.g. Friends, ER, 24 etc) as it picks up too many other programmes from the same or other channels. May not be problem if you have not got digital.

Also remember Wish Lists are not channel specific so if you have a programme on many channels it may not be suitable.

I just review the to do list a couple of times a week to sort our this and other inconsistencies - 5 minutes a week most.

HTH

[dallardice]

Originally posted by Gavin
This is a 4 part series, yesterday was part 3, we have a season passfor it, but last nights was names No Going Back: A Year in Tuscany which is it's full titles. consequently Tivo missed it as the season pass is for No Going Back.

See my earlier post in this thread.

The first episode of this was listed by Tribune as No Going Back: A Year in Tuscany so I suggested they change back to that for the rest of the series. Initially they had eps 2 and 3 as "No Going Back" with episode title "A Year in Tuscany" so you'd have missed it under that title too due to the 28-day rule.

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: five

Channel Number: 105

Programme Name: Boxing Classics

Problem: Inaccurate category description

Described as Boxing, Sports Non-Event

The greatest World Middleweight title fight ever....is/was not a non-event. :rolleyes:

Maybe Boxing, Historic Sports Event would be a more apt description. ;)

Please fix before the upcoming broadcasts of Boxing Classics.

[OzSat]

The 'non-event' thing doesn't actually relate to the importance of the event.

'event' seems to be used for live programmes - but even that is not 100%.

[Gavin]

Originally posted by pmk
Gavin - to avoid this you may wish to use Title Wish Lists instead of Season Passes?

e.g. create a title wish list for "No Going Back" (WITH the quotes). I converted all but a couple of my SPs to title wish lists a couple months after getting my TiVo as this generally stops many guide errors like the one you describe.


Thanks I know I can do that but why should I have to? It's a series what season pass's are for. It's the same series it's just someone be it Tribune or Channel 4 are getting the data wrong.

By chance we've been in to watch the previous ones, and I must have set it after the 1st to get the 2nd title.

[pmk]

Originally posted by Gavin
Thanks I know I can do that but why should I have to? It's a series what season pass's are for. It's the same series it's just someone be it Tribune or Channel 4 are getting the data wrong.

By chance we've been in to watch the previous ones, and I must have set it after the 1st to get the 2nd title.

This method is by no means perfect but I find it better for me as I only have Freeview. I now have 140SP's 95% are Title Wish Lists. I also try to make my Title Wish list as short as possible but it will still only match the programme I want (and avoid special character problems). e.g. "They Think" for "They Think It's All Over", "Have I Got" for "Have I Got News For You" (this also catches Have I Got Old News For You" etc.

I recommend checking your future To Do List - History weekly. With all my SP's I usually only have 3 or 4 clashes a day and it's easy to spot programmes you want to record that aren't currently. It would be nice if you could press the Record button on the remote to quickly set a recording from this listing however instead of having to go throught several screens and confirmations.

I agree it would be great if SP's were perfect but this will never happen. Usually the problems are outside Tribunes control they have received bad data and there is human error also.

The only way this could be improved I think is allow TiVo users to update the TV schedule via a web site. Tribune could then accept/reject corrections? A better turnaround on fixes and better reporting method would also be nice.

Anyway getting a bit off topic here :D

[mrtickle]

Originally posted by pmk
It would be nice if you could press the Record button on the remote to quickly set a recording from this listing however instead of having to go throught several screens and confirmations.


You may know this already but you can save one lot of confirmations by pressing "Select" on the "Record this episode also" lozenge - you don't have to go through the "Options" screen. This creates a recording at your default quality setting.


Anyway getting a bit off topic here :D

oops me too :)

[Paj]

Also OT:

Toothy, what with this "TiVo....a great technology ruined by an awful GUI. "TiVo thumb".....an affliction caused by navigating through 20 pages of Now Playing"?

If you will stick in a massive new hard drive and violate your warranty, you have to accept that the UI was not designed to display that many programmes. If I turn my Mini into a car transporter, can I complain if my axle breaks?

[Toothy]

Originally posted by ozsat
The 'non-event' thing doesn't actually relate to the importance of the event.

'event' seems to be used for live programmes - but even that is not 100%.

I think my tongue-in-cheek post didn`t come across too well. ;)

I concur that the `event` tag is not 100% accurate, and IMO really shouldn`t be relied upon.

World Rally Championship on C4 Sat 30/8 7:30am, was listed as Motor Racing, Sports Event but was actually the preview programme to the Australia WRC....maybe MotorSport, Rallying, Sports Chat Show would be more accurate. :p

[pmk]

Last Minute Schedule Change:

ITV1 -> Tonights "WWTBAM - The One With Coughs" has been replaced with "Never Want To Happen To......A Weatherman"

[CarlWalters]

Postcode: RG4
Service Provider: NTL Digital
Channel Name: MTVUK
Channel Number: ???
Programme Name: NME Chart Show
Time/Date Of Airing: Daily 19:00

Althogh his programme is shown daily it is not set as a series and hence a Season Pass cannot be set for it.

[Rich2k]

Postcode: SS15
Service Provider: Sky Digital
Channel Name: Paramount Comedy 2
Channel Number: 128

Would it be possible to get listings for this new channel as the moment it is just saying "Paramount Comedy 2". Paramount seemed to have moved some shows from the main channel to 2 (e.g. Spin City) and so now my season pass and/or wishlist is now broken :(

[Jim99]

Schedules were received yesterday (after weeks of trying) and listings have now been updated. The changes should be with you in a few days.

Jim

[danfulton]

Postcode: L18
Service Provider: Telewest
Channel Name: Paramount Comedy
Channel Number: 132
Programme Name: Seinfeld
Time/Date Of Airing: Weekday 10:00

The tivo listings have it on at 09:30 - that slot is an episode of Cheers

[Jim99]

Re: Seinfeld

See post above. Schedules for the main channel were impacted as well when the new service went live. Listings have been updated and should be with you soon.

Jim

[Brownedger]

Postcode: ST6
Service Provider: SKY DIGITAL
Channel Name: BBC2
Channel Number: 102
Programme Name: MISS MARPLE
Time/Date Of Airing: 6th Sept at 7.30pm

This has been cancelled and the Wales v Italy Euro qualifier has been added to the schedule from 7.30pm to 10pm (subseqent schedule has been changed).


*** Urgent attention required *****

[cwaring]

Originally posted by Brownedger
*** Urgent attention required *****

You do know to call Tivo CS as well, don't you? It stands more chance of getting changed quckly as that is the offficial way to report EPG errors.

[bobnick]

Attn: Jim

I think Channel 4 may well be listing the two update programmes of 'Jamie's Kitchen' as 'Jamie's Kitchen Revisited'; as they're the same show, just filmed a year on, can you stick the 'Revisted' part in the episode description so all our season passes work? First show on 16th September...

Thanks!

PS Please be aware that there is only one new episode of Fame Academy on BBC Three a day - I get three copies sometimes!
PPS Hope to god this problem doesn't affect Pop Idol Extra on ITV2 - 3 hours of programming a day, repeated 3 times a day. Turn my back and my Tivo will be jam packed!

[Jim99]

Re: Wales v. Italy on BBC2

Change was made yesterday when it was received from the folks at the BBC.

Jim

[sjp]

Originally posted by bobnick
Attn: Jim

I think Channel 4 may well be listing the two update programmes of 'Jamie's Kitchen' as 'Jamie's Kitchen Revisited'; as they're the same show, just filmed a year on, can you stick the 'Revisted' part in the episode description so all our season passes work? First show on 16th September...


just to complicate matters... DigiGuide have it listed as Return to Jamie's Kitchen

my thanks also, wife's been waiting for this.

[Jim99]

The full title has been confirmed as "Return to Jamie's Kitchen." One of our editors have created a new title which wouldn't be picked up with the old season pass. Does everyone object to this? Since we have a week or so to work with please let me know what your thoughts are.

Thanks,
Jim

[sanderton]

I would prefer this kind of thing (it's a C4 speciality, they do it with Grand Designs too) to be picked up with the original SP.

[csansbury]

I think I would prefer original title too - with a qualifier in the description

[Brownedger]

Originally posted by Jim99
Re: Wales v. Italy on BBC2

Change was made yesterday when it was received from the folks at the BBC.

Jim

Thanks good to see you're On the Ball Jim ;)

[manolan]

But can we really ask Tribune to understand the programmes well enough to do this? Shouldn't they just take what the broadcasters give them and do the best job they can to get it to us?

[sjp]

though my original SP has long gone, replaced by a keyword WL that should find this incarnation my vote, fwiw, goes to whatever's necessary to allow an original SP to work.

us internet savvy wasters have plenty methods of finding out about this sort of thing (this thread for example) - what if somebody misses this in their listings/programme trailers, they're gonna be mighty pissed off that the programme makers changed the programme title and the first they hear of it is at work the next day.

should they be aware of it though but can't find it under its proper title they're bound to find it via one of the other tivo search methods.

[mrtickle]

Originally posted by sanderton
I would prefer this kind of thing (it's a C4 speciality, they do it with Grand Designs too) to be picked up with the original SP.

Indeed, I have SPs for
Have I Got News For You
Have I Got Old News For You (repeats, so doesn't matter so much if people don't spot it)

Location, location, location
Location, location, location: Revisited (repeats - but re-edited with extra 5 mins at end. Nasty trick by C4)

Scrapheap Challenge
Scrapheap Mega Challenge (another nasty one - C4 do this for the last programme in every series)

Grand Designs
Grand Designs Revisited
Grand Designs Indoors

Finally of course fans of "Robot Wars" needn't ever bother with a Season Pass. It's a new title from the BBC every year.

Changing the title so that tivo user's old Season Passes worked would be a new thing, but the fact that you are prepared to do it is proof of the great job you're doing! :)

What about the possibility of using the new title, but putting it under the same Series ID? I know you have "renamed" a few series before. This way new users would be able to set the same series title as they see everywhere else and it would be less confusing. And users with existing SPs would find that they get the new series.

[cwaring]

WTF? "Face/Off" on five.

Tivo: 10:30pm finish
Listings Mag (Daily Star, Saturday): 10:35pm finish
DigiGuide: 10:40pm finish

BAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Now I've got to keep TWO entries in my NPL while I get around to watching the movie, the second of which is "Hollywood Sex". Yeah, that'll look good if/when I get any visitors ;) :D

Done venting. Off to bed now.

[Richardr]

Tonight's BBC One schedule has changed. The BBC have dropped Trevor's World of Sport from its Friday night slot - to return in a later slot on Monday week. This has led them to move Eyes Down to 9:30, and put on an old Only Fools at 9pm.

[bobnick]

Originally posted by manolan
But can we really ask Tribune to understand the programmes well enough to do this? Shouldn't they just take what the broadcasters give them and do the best job they can to get it to us?

Well, Tribune do get paid an awful lot of cash to do this, and broadcasters aren't thinking about PVR users when naming their programmes.
Last night's film on BBC1 had the correct description but then said "Continues After The News" which scared the bejeesus out of me this morning as I thought I only had the first part of the film; however, Tribune were taping both parts, but just used the first part's description. Could have done without that panic!

Return to Jamie's Kitchen is just the (very brief) second season of 'Jamie's Kitchen'; The rule Tribune should use is "Would someone who has a SP for the old show want the new one taped?". My Jamie's Kitchen SP picked up all the shows in the last few weeks, and I'd expect it to pick up the new episodes. If Tribune use the right name and the old SeriesID, so much the better.
This would also cover Location, Location, Location [Revisited] - this was the worst of all worlds, as Tribune sometimes put it in as L,L,L and sometimes with the full title (and a new series ID).

I think that all of Mr Tickle's examples (and not forgetting Five's 'Curse Of...' series) should be listed with the same SeriesID for each show; the bigger debate is to what air date should be listed for the 'revisited' shows and 'Have I Got Old News For You'.

I think the revisted episodes should have new OAD's, as they have some new content, whilst the Old News keep the old OAD's. Any disagreements?

PS: Carl: Do you mean I'm going to have to sit though Face/Off when my friends come round to watch Holywood Sex then?
PPS: Carl - this is why TivoWeb's rename function is invaluable!

[cwaring]

Originally posted by bobnick
PS: Carl: Do you mean I'm going to have to sit though Face/Off when my friends come round to watch Holywood Sex then?
FF ten minutes to skip it!

PPS: Carl - this is why TivoWeb's rename function is invaluable!
Yeah. That might be something I look into at some point.

EDIT: Forget that! It looks like both too much hard work and the possibilty of screwing up my beloved Tivo forever. NO WAY!!! :D

[mrtickle]

Originally posted by manolan
But can we really ask Tribune to understand the programmes well enough to do this? Shouldn't they just take what the broadcasters give them and do the best job they can to get it to us?

It is a lot to expect yes. Perhaps they could employ a handful of people in the UK to catch UK issues like this. I think Birmingham would be a great location for such an office :D

[cwaring]

... or currently unemployed people with broadband connections who watch and lot of TV :D

[LJ]

Found another one where a change in programme title meant it got allocated a new series id: Friday's Gardeners World was set up as "Gardeners World: Flower Hour" so my SP missed it. :( Next week's, which is also an "extended Summer Special", is picked up by the original SP though.

I also gave up with SPs for the "I Love 19xx" series and created an auto-recording wishlist as it seemed to need a separate SP for every showing. Maybe the series could be set up with title "I Love" and the year moved to the Episode title?

Overall though the guide data is a lot better than it used to be. Thanks Jim! :)

[bobnick]

True, but there's still lots of annoying screw ups - like multiple Fame Academy's on BBC3!

I think (as they have the same OAD) that Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
'The Millionaires Return' is wrong - Tribune are saying that Tuesday's episode on ITV1 is a repeat, but it's a different episode to Saturday's.

[Jim99]

Yes but where else could you get something like this fixed on a Saturday!!

New episode added for Tuesday's "Millionaire."

Does anyone still watch that?

[bobnick]

Fair enough! I've just set two one-off recordings for saturday and tuesday; I hope my report doesn't mean tuesday's won't tape now without me setting it again - the irony!

Millionaire is just coming back after a long break, and it'll be interesting to see the how the millionaire's do the second time round...

[LJ]

Spotted another one where differing titles have resulted in a different series for every episode:

BBC2: 8, 9, 10, 11th, 11:20pm:

Dan Cruickshank and the Lost Cities of Iraq
Dan Cruickshank and the Lost Treasure of Kabul
Dan Cruickshank on the Road to Armageddon
Dan Cruickshank and the Raiders of the Lost Art

[woody]

BBC3 has the new series of 'Burn It', and two episodes are shown on Monday night, but Tivo with a FRO SP, thinks that there are also two new episodes on Tuesday, when they are just repeats of Mondays showing.

[bluel39]

The season pass for Fame Academy is no longer valid as the name of the programme has changed to "Fame Academy II". Another season pass is required.

It was going to miss the programmes on Saturday.

[kitschcamp]

E4
18th September 11:10PM & 19th September 3:00AM
Queer as Folk

Should be in Interests/Gay & Lesbian. Thought that'd be obvious, but...

So far not a single program has appeared in this genre, despite there being programming.

[bduguid]

I can't set a season pass for Iron Chef USA on E4 or E4+1, I'm not sure if this is due to missing metadata in the listings.

[groovyclam]

Should be in Interests/Gay & Lesbian. Thought that'd be obvious, but...
So far not a single program has appeared in this genre, despite there being programming.

Also despite me posting a list of programmes and films that should be...twice!

Also scores of other category corrections...twice!

I think category fixes are far, far down the list of corrections for UK listings in Tribune's eyes.

[joni]

Annoying return of a problem fixed a while back.
Frasier on Paramount shows one episode twice on most days (6pm and 10pm). The second showing now has a generic write up that is not episode specific whilst the first has episodic information and title. Result is that although they are the same programme, SP thinks they are different. Would be solved by repeating the 6pm write up at 10pm.

[SimonG]

Postcode: RH10
Service Provider: Sky
Channel Name: Motors TV
Channel Number: 416
Programme Name: All
Time/Date Of Airing: All

No listings

[CliveW]

Programme: Flambards
Postcode: MK11
Channel: UK Drama
Provider: Sky Digital
Time: Sat, 2:55am-5.00am

Programmes 12 & 13 from the series missing from Tivo schedules totally (they're there on the Sky schedules and UK Drama website). Already missed programme 11.... :rolleyes:

[pahunt]

Originally posted by bluel39
The season pass for Fame Academy is no longer valid as the name of the programme has changed to "Fame Academy II". Another season pass is required.

It was going to miss the programmes on Saturday.

I'm usually fairly forgiving of guide data problems as most of the time I find it's pretty good for what I want but this is just stupid. I could understand if it had been like this from the beginning of series 2 but why has the title changed halfway through. I wonder how many people who don't read this forum are going to notice this?

[Brownedger]

Needs Attention

- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider: Sky Digital
- Channel Name: Sky sports extra
- Channel Number: 404
- Programme Name: Spanish Football Live
- Time/Date of airing: 13th Sept 2003 8.00pm to 10pm
- Problem encountered: This is not in the guide needs to be added, match is Real Madrid v Valladollid.



- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider: Sky Digital
- Channel Name: Sky sports 1
- Channel Number: 401
- Programme Name: Spanish Football Live
- Time/Date of airing: 14th Sept 2003 7.35pm to 10.30pm
- Problem encountered: This is not in the guide needs to be added, match is Albacete v Barcelona

[Jim99]

Re: Spanish Football

Both changes were made yesterday (when we received them) and should be with you soon.

Thanks,
Jim

[sjp]

Postcode: SM3
Service Provider: Sky Digital
Channel Name: Hallmark
Channel Number: 190
Programme Name: Providence
Time/Date of airing: Sep 22nd&23rd - last 2 episodes in series

Problem encountered: tivo thinks part 2, Tuesday 23rd, is a repeat of part 1.

i wonder if this was a data problem back in December when it aired in the US?

[cwaring]

- Postcode WF1
- Service Provider TWAD
- Channel Name ITV1YOR
- Channel Number 103
- Programme Name "Airline"
- Time/Date of airing 12/8, 8:30pm
- Problem encountered SP doesn't pick it up

Okay, so it's too late to do anything about it, but I've just noticed that my FR&R SP isn't picking up tonight's episode, with no explanation in Recordin History as to why not.

Had a quick look at the underlying meta-data (if that's what it's called :)) and every ID is different so I'm thinking that the EPG doesn't recognise this as an episode of the relevant SP. IYSWIM :)

[SolidTechie]

- Postcode WS15
- Service Provider Sky
- Channel Name FIVE
- Channel Number 105
- Programme Name "Home & Away"
- Time/Date of airing Various, 18:00 & 12:30 (repeats)
- Problem encountered SP doesn't pick it up

It looks like the OAD for these (new) episodes is incorrect, didn't get a chance to check them all, but the episode which should have been picked up yesterday @ 18:00 had an (incorrect) OAD of 15/5/2003

Viewing upcoming episodes shows 2 of the 21 available episodes which will get recorded by the SP

[cwaring]

Originally posted by iancdbutcher
It looks like the OAD for these (new) episodes is incorrect, didn't get a chance to check them all, but the episode which should have been picked up yesterday @ 18:00 had an (incorrect) OAD of 15/5/2003

Viewing upcoming episodes shows 2 of the 21 available episodes which will get recorded by the SP

Ian.
The easy way around this is to change the recording options for the SP to "First Run & Repeats". A "FRO" SP is not needed in this case.

Jim99
The OAD's on the following episodes needs changing:
17th @ 1800 / 18th @ 1230
18th @ 1800 / 19th @ 1230
24th @ 1800 / 25th @ 1230
26th @ 1800 / 29th @ 1230*
(*assumed. no data yet!)

Each of the above episodes has an "two days in the future" OAD :)

Incidently, yesterday's (Wed 11th) 12.30pm showing had a synopsis and OAD that was TWO YEARS OLD. What the heck happened? :eek:

[Brownedger]

- Postcode: ST6
- Service Provider: Sky Digital
- Channel Name: E E ntertainment
- Channel Number: 250

Jim,
Its the Emmys on E next sunday 21st sept 2003, can you add their coverage to the guide please, there are lots of holes(to be announced) at the moment.

[SolidTechie]

Originally posted by cwaring
[B]Ian.
The easy way around this is to change the recording options for the SP to "First Run & Repeats". A "FRO" SP is not needed in this case.

Yep, thanks. It took me so long to work out why it wasn't even in the recording history, I ran out of time.

I've always had a FRO SP for H&A, so thought it ought to be mentioned, but I agree, it's not required.

[cwaring]

Don't forget folks!

- Postcode WF1
- Service Provider TWAD
- Channel Name FIVE
- Channel Number 105
- Programme Name "Charmed"
- Time/Date of airing 13/8, 7:10pm
- Problem encountered EPG thinks this is the same ep as last week so is not scheduling it to record. It's actually Part Two :)

[kitschcamp]

Originally posted by kitschcamp
Should be in Interests/Gay & Lesbian. Thought that'd be obvious, but...

So far not a single program has appeared in this genre, despite there being programming.

Hurrah! Heady with the success of the first ever Gay & Lesbian genre program in the UK, here's a few others that could do with adding...

UK Horizons (Sky 564)
Thurs 18/9 (and repeated pretty regulary)
Out in Nature

Should be in Interests/Gay & Lesbian as it's about homosexuality in animals.

Living and Living + 1 (Sky 112 and 113)
Will & Grace.

As per above. Actually rather surprised it isn't already, or is it not in it in the US?

[Brownedger]

Originally posted by Jim99
Re: Spanish Football

Both changes were made yesterday (when we received them) and should be with you soon.

Thanks,
Jim


Jim the sunday show was an hour short on the guide (showed 2hrs 5mins, when it was 3hrs 5mins long ended at 10.30pm)

Actually the timings that I posted on this forum were correct unlike the ones which they sent to you.

[bobnick]

Originally posted by kitschcamp
Hurrah! Heady with the success of the first ever Gay & Lesbian genre program in the UK, here's a few others that could do with adding...


Tivo's listings were shocking this weekend. BBC Four's World Cinema Film on Saturday was down as a docudrama, which is pushing it a fair bit! Fame Academy was put into a new series this week called Fame Academy II this weekend; I see Tribune were alerted to this last Tuesday, but no fix was made. Tivo fortunately taped it as a suggestion - a bloody lucky escape.

However, I see the Fame Academy listings are screwed again this weekend. Please can you put these shows back into the Fame Academy Season Pass?

Also, I was just perusing my To Do list and noticed a rather large omission:
Jamie's Kitchen is not going to tape this week! What was the point of our discussion? I took the time to let you know well in advance what Channel 4 were doing (renaming a series) as being in America, you probably wouldn't notice. Everyone here took the time to help out with suggestions - and we all sat back content in the knowledge that we'd have new Jamie to watch this week. Please can you fix this asap for tonight's downloads?

Jamie's Kitchen and Fame Academy are two flahship programmes for their respective channels - Please can you fix these mistakes asap!

[Jim99]

"Fame Academy II" has been given the heave ho! The offending title has been corrected.

As for "Return to Jamie's Kitchen" (and yes, this is the title) all information we have received is that this is a new programme (albeit with footage from the previous series) so it was listed as such. I know that I did ask for your opinions but since the title was different, a new ID# had to be issued.

[bobnick]

Originally posted by Jim99
"Fame Academy II" has been given the heave ho! The offending title has been corrected.

As for "Return to Jamie's Kitchen" (and yes, this is the title) all information we have received is that this is a new programme (albeit with footage from the previous series) so it was listed as such. I know that I did ask for your opinions but since the title was different, a new ID# had to be issued.


Grrr, yes we know that's the title but it's the new series of Jamie's Kitchen. That's why we gave you a heads-up. I'd have been well peeved if my JK SP didn't pick it up, and even more peeved if it hadn't picked it up after we'd all told you about it!

The reason I have a JK season pass is because I wanted Tivo to catch all episodes for me. Every single person who has a season pass for Jamie's Kitchen will want to watch these two episodes. Giving the new season the old SeriesID would have been ideal, but I guess it's not going to happen :(
Think there'll be quite a few annoyed Tivo viewers this week....

Jim, in America will a Season Pass for 'Survivor: The Amazon' also pick up 'Survivor: Pearl Islands' on CBS?

[Jim99]

Sorry to annoy the masses but Channel Four changed the title.

By the way, each new series of Survivor gets a new show ID#.

Survivor: The Amazon = 462204
Survivor Pearl Islands = 598031

Just another case of broadcasters tailoring titles to attract new viewers (and I do understand that upsets TiVo users - I am one!)

[LJ]

Jim, why does a new ID have to be issued if the title of episodes in a series changes? Is that a limitation of the TiVo software/database?

The best example I can come up wth off the top of my head is the pop music series whose title includes the year:

"I Love 1978", "I Love 1979" etc.

Surely you're not going to argue that each episode is a different 'series'. (Though that's the way it seems to be set up at the moment - hence why I ended up setting up an auto-recording wishlist for "I Love 19*".)

[pmk]

Originally posted by bobnick
Grrr, yes we know that's the title but it's the new series of Jamie's Kitchen. That's why we gave you a heads-up. I'd have been well peeved if my JK SP didn't pick it up, and even more peeved if it hadn't picked it up after we'd all told you about it!

You could argue that this is not a new *series* its a special two part episode following on from the last series so it should have the same ID - a new series would be he does it again with a new batch of "students".

Does not bother me that much as I use Title Wish Lists to avoid this type of problem. Same for Location Location Location etc. Out of 140SPs about 2 or 3 are SP's (e.g. ER, Friends get too many hits as a Wish List) the rest are Title Wish lists e.g. "Jamies Kitchen" etc.

Forgot to mention that Return To Jamies Kitchen is repeated on Thursday I think.

HTH

[Richardr]

Originally posted by Richardr
Tonight's BBC One schedule has changed. The BBC have dropped Trevor's World of Sport from its Friday night slot - to return in a later slot on Monday week. This has led them to move Eyes Down to 9:30, and put on an old Only Fools at 9pm.
Of course now Trevor's World Of Sport is finally shown, TIVO believes it has already recorded it (the non-existent Friday showing referred to above), so will not record it this evening.

[Jim99]

LJ,

The title can't be changed because the "old" series could possibly be re-aired and the "new" title would not be accurate.

As for the "I Love" series, I'll look into that...sounds like it should be a series "I Love...." (year in episode title....then people would complaint about that!)

Some days you just can't win!

[LJ]

Ah, so it sounds like title <=> series ID is a one to one mapping and the series ID has to be unique, so the only leeway you've got is in episode titles...

[Jim99]

Bingo!

[cyril]

You should then add the secondary title to the episode title, so it should look like:

Title: Jamie's Kitchen
Episode Title: Return to Jamie's Kitchen: + {original episode title}


Title:Fame Academy
Episode Title: Fame Academy II: + {original episode title}


I suppose you could create a new 'secondarytitle' field.
Would be cool if we could search for both Titles in the TiVo UI.

[Chris T]

- Postcode LE12
- Service Provider NTL
- Channel Name BBC1
- Channel Number 101
- Programme Name Inside Out
- Time/Date of airing Mondays 19:30
- Problem encountered

The inability to set-up a season pass for this series, + date is incorrect.

[bobnick]

Originally posted by Jim99
"Fame Academy II" has been given the heave ho! The offending title has been corrected.


This still hasn't shown up on my Tivo this afternoon - hope it's in the pipeline.

Little Britain on BBC3 has no data - Tivo is trying to tape 3 copies of the same show. Please can you fix this - there's only one new episode a week.

And I'm still getting 3 episodes of Fame Academy a day on BBC 3 - there's only one new episode a day.

And please can you fix the OAD's for House Doctor on Five - they send out really detailed listings to all and sundry, so there's no excuse!

[Richardr]

- Postcode AL3
- Service Provider ntl
- Channel Name British Eurosport
- Channel Number 112

The schedules for Friday and Saturday appear wrong. Their website / Digiguide / Sky EPG all have quite a few Champions League highlight shows.

[mrtickle]

This genre is completely empty at the moment, and I don't think it is getting filled as it should.

Please could these programmes have Anime added as a genre? I also think there are strong arguments for actually also REMOVING the existing "animation" flag for them, because Anime and Animation are different things:

Channel Name: Sci-Fi
Channel Number: 130
Programme Name: Akira
Time/Date of airing: 26th Sep 02:05

(How can "Akira" not be set as Anime! :) )


Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Sci-Fi
Channel Number: 130
Programme Name: Rayearth
Time/Date of airing: 19th Sep 01:45


Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Sci-Fi
Channel Number: 130
Programme Name: The Legend of the Overfiend
Time/Date of airing: 10th Oct 02:20


Provider: Sky Digital (England setup)
Channel Name: Sci-Fi
Channel Number: 130
Programme Name: Neon Genesis Evangelion: Anime
Time/Date of airing: Saturdays (from Sep 20th) 09:00 and 09:30

Thanks

[edit: The Anime category was of course only added at the end of January 2003. So I think perhaps the reason all of the Anime movies are in your database as "Animation" was because that was all that was available in the past, so you chose the closest genre at the time. Hopefully now there is an Anime fan at Tribune that will be able to go through the Anime movies in your database and fix them all? (This will benefit all customers worldwide, I believe you use the same database for movies?)]

[Richardr]

- Postcode AL3
- Service Provider ntl
- Channel Name ITV1
- Channel Number 103

For the past couple of weeks, The Premiership on Saturday nights (10:30 pm) has had the description of the similar Irish programme, not the ITV one.

[Richardr]

- Postcode AL3
- Service Provider ntl
- Channel Name British Eurosport
- Channel Number 112
- 4 Oct 9:15am
- Football (UEFA Champions League)


The Champions League is football (soccer), not American Football.

[warrenrb]

As with Little Britain mentioned above, The Pilot Show on E4 is trying to record loads of repeated episodes per week. There was about 5 scheduled for one week as I recall. Can this be fixed with good guide data?

Ta.
Warren

[cwaring]

Can you have a look at next Sunday's Sky One late-evening schedule as it does not tally with either DigiGuide or even Sky's own Programme Info web site.

[bobnick]

Originally posted by Jim99 last Monday
"Fame Academy II" has been given the heave ho! The offending title has been corrected.

Jim,
I've searched my Now Playing from top to tail, and there's no sign of last Saturday's Fame Academy. All my daily calls are working fine, but there's nothing in my recording history - which suggests that FAII hadn't "been given the heave ho".
If this is the case, I'm mightily annoyed. Anyone else have issues?

[Jim99]

It'll be the first order of business when I get to the office.

[Jim99]

There are several showings of "Fame Academy" currently present in the listings for BBC3. These have been there since the lastest schedules were received last Thursday.

Not sure why they aren't being seen?

[bobnick]

Jim,
They are there, I'm talking about the main Fame Academy show on BBC1 on Saturday 20th September. These two shows are the big events and the last two weeks were entered as Fame Academy II. We nearly missed the 13th September show, but Tivo picked it up as a suggestion. The error was reported, and on Monday 15th you said the offending title had been corrected, and FAII had been given the heave-ho. If this is the case, why do I have nothing in Now Playing and my Recording History?

[Jim99]

Ah, I see...I can confirm that "Fame Academy II" is now definitely out of the data.

[salva]

Well, don't remember the days, but I've tried to record (as per tivo's epg) Saddam's Bombmaker on history channel (sky) while actullay has recorded silent service.

Same has happened wit Cold War (Kennedy Years) where actually again "silent service" has been recorded.

Anyone seen that ?

Salva

[sjp]

From Monday 13th October Sky One are showing old Stargate SG-1 at 10am and 6pm on what looks like a daily basis.

an FRO SP for the new Stargate is currently failing, it actually looks like both the 10am and 6pm showing are being recorded (probably bad data not id'ing them as the same episode) in addition to the 8pm Monday new episodes.

please fix

stuart

[cwaring]

Thanks for that. I hadn't noticed :) I think it might be worth an "official" notification to Tivo CS. Call them tomorrow. I will too.

[cwaring]

Strangess abounds with "Home & Away" on five.

Wednesday's episode was not going to be recorded, with no explanation in Recording History as to why not. I would suggest that the OAD had something to do with it (26/8/03 instead of 01/10/03!) but the OADs on the following few episodes are also wrong but are set to record okay.

Actual Date
02/10/03
"OAD" date
03/06/03

Actual Date
03/10/03
"OAD" date
04/06/03

etc

[sjp]

Originally posted by cwaring
Thanks for that. I hadn't noticed :) I think it might be worth an "official" notification to Tivo CS. Call them tomorrow. I will too.

as it's so far in advance i was going to give it a week to see if jim and his bods fixed it by way of this announcement.

jim... can you confirm that it's done, at damn near a dollar a call (ave 5 min wait at 8 pence a minute) - i've got better things to do with a buck, like another snickers bar :D hmmm snickers bar

stuart

[cwaring]

Originally posted by sjp
at damn near a dollar a call (ave 5 min wait at 8 pence a minute) - i've got better things to do with a buck, like another snickers bar :D hmmm snickers bar

Huh? A dollar a call? Ahh, you're a Yank in the UK? OK, well, BT week-end rate is only 1p per minute so you've no excuse now :)

[sjp]

not a yank, just a cheapskate jock - having a dig about national rate call charges... being from edinburgh (originally) it would really p1ss me off to have to pay 8 ppm (at most) to call dunfermline/livingston/glasgow.

[groovyclam]

Channel: BBC4
Platform: Sky ( but probably all BBC4 )
Date: Mon 29th and Tue 30th Sept

TiVo has "Holidays in the Danger Zone" scheduled for these dates.

The times of airing are correct but the programme has been renamed "Meet the Stans" in both paper guides and DigiGuide.

It is the followup programme to the series "Holidays in the Axis of Evil"

TiVo also thinks all four showings are the same episode when, in fact, the two on Monday are the same episode ( about Kazakstan and Kyrgistan ) and the two on Tuesday are the same as each other but different to the Monday episodes ( Tuesdays are about Uzbekistan and Tajikistan )

Proper schedule:

Mon 29th

21:00-22:20 - Kazakstan and Kyrgistan
23:35-00:55 - repeat of Mon 21:00 episode

Tue 30th

21:00-22:20 - Uzbekistan and Tajikistan
23:35-00:55 - repeat of Tue 21:00 episode

[mini__me]

Channel: Sky Sports Extra
Platform: Sky
Date: Sun 28/9 (weekly also)
Time: 18:00 - 21:00 + 21:00 - 00:30

Few oddities I have noticed, regarding NFL Football, for some reason the program is split into episodes as timing above although on skys epg and I believe digiguide (although I don't have it on this pc) it is only one long showing from 18:00 - 00:30 this has been so since I remember.

Also the description for this week and iirc last week are incorrect:

18:00 - 21:00 Shown as Pats @ Redskins, when it's actually Titans @ Stealers

21:00 - 00:30 Shown as Chargers @ Raiders, when it's Cowboys @ Jets


I also on Sky Sports 3 Mon 29/9 @ 12:00 - 16:00 and 19:00 - 23:00 there is no description showing the teams playing be it correct or incorrect.

[andyharvey]

Postcode LE17
Service Provider Sky
Channel Name FriendlyTV
Channel Number 268

FriendlyTV is now broadcasting NASA TV twice a day.
Can we get the schedule into Tribune's data so that I can set up a season pass.

Cheers

[bobnick]

Wife Swap - Channel 4; Tivo thinks the first episode is repeated twice, and the second one isn't repeated at all. Surely both episodes are repeated once each!

[TonyLondon]

Grrr, Seinfeld problems again! TiVo has now gone back to trying to record Seinfeld at 0930 and it's still Cheers at that time. Why?

[DaveLFC]

Yeah caught me out as well, thank god for paramount 2.

[AENG]

SG 17
Freeserve (sorry - that's Freeview, of course!)
BBC1
Channel 1
Watchdog
Tuesdays at 7 p.m., repeated Thursdays at 1.55 a.m. with signing.

TiVo records both transmissions every time when I would have expected the 28 day rule to operate. Have I misunderstood something?

[steveroe]

I think the answer there is that "technically" it is a different programme as it is a signed edition. The same occurs with Changing Rooms and a few others.

I'm sure Jim will correct me...

[cwaring]

Can something please be done about "Click Online", BBC News 24 (Ch 610 on TW). Although this programme is broadcast at various times on a week-end it is the same edition of the show. A standard SP is picking up every airing.

I did report this some time last year, both on here and to Tivo CS :)

[rayed14]

I have the same problem withh GMMs Pulling Power, I get about three copies of the same episode every week.

[sjp]

Originally posted by sjp
From Monday 13th October Sky One are showing old Stargate SG-1 at 10am and 6pm on what looks like a daily basis.

an FRO SP for the new Stargate is currently failing, it actually looks like both the 10am and 6pm showing are being recorded (probably bad data not id'ing them as the same episode) in addition to the 8pm Monday new episodes.

please fix

stuart

looks like the first week is fixed but the 2nd week, commencing the 20th, has the same problem.

using a quote from my school report card "must try harder" :)

thanks

stuart

[cwaring]

Originally posted by sjp
looks like the first week is fixed but the 2nd week, commencing the 20th, has the same problem.

I think that it is mainly down to the fact that Sky have not indicated which episodes are to be broadcast as there is only a generic programme synopsis in place. You will notice that there is the programme title and not an episode title showing after the first week.

As soonn as Tribune are told which episodes are to be broadcast, and insert the correct episode titles, all will be well.

To sum up, blame Sky not Tribune :)

That said, it looks like they're simply showing all of Season 1 again.

[Toothy]

Originally posted by rayed14
I have the same problem withh GMMs Pulling Power, I get about three copies of the same episode every week.

Ditto...

Also with Auto Mundial, Better Cars etc etc

I used to report loads of motoring programme errors but I quit, as I was getting loads of stick from so-called `senior` members. :rolleyes:

Now I don`t bother. :(

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: BBCR4FM

Channel Number: 854

Programme Name: The Food Programme

Time/Date Of Airing: Mon 6/10 4:00PM

Problem: No guide data.

`No information available`

This is incorrect as the Sky info banner has the correct episode details.

Also because of this error a SP picks up every airing of the same edition.

If Sky can provide the correct details...why can`t Tribune??:confused:

Also most of the programmes I record from R4, such as You and Yours and Go Digital, suffer from the same problems. :(

[OzSat]

Originally posted by Toothy
If Sky can provide the correct details...why can`t Tribune??:confused:
All information in the Sky EPG is direct from the broadcaster - and nothing really to do with Sky (except Sky's channels).

[Toothy]

But I thought Tribune got their listings direct from the broadcaster??

If they do...why are they incorrect??

I`m :confused: now. :(

[cwaring]

Originally posted by cwaring
As soonn as Tribune are told which episodes are to be broadcast, and insert the correct episode titles, all will be well.

Fixed, I notice, thanks! Now, about "Click Online..." :)

[bobnick]

Jim,
Cheers for ensuring all the Fame Academy stuff worked this weekend.
Unfortunately, there's a screw-up in the data for 'what not to wear' on bbc3 - my FR SP is picking up all episodes, as ISEPISODE is set to false. Can you please check the episode flag and OAD are correct? ta!

[Jim99]

Re: What Not to Wear

No info available from the folks at the BBC, hence the "generic" program ID. We will keep on them. Sorry to fill up your TiVo will multiple recordings but is that so bad? (Trinny is a fav of mine!)

[andyjenkins]

Postcode: MK6
Service Provider: Sky
Channel Name: Motors TV
Channel Number: 416
Programme Name: All
Time/Date Of Airing: All

No listings

[bobnick]

Originally posted by Jim99
Re: What Not to Wear

No info available from the folks at the BBC, hence the "generic" program ID. We will keep on them. Sorry to fill up your TiVo will multiple recordings but is that so bad? (Trinny is a fav of mine!)

Surely the BBC Press Office can tell you when new episodes are airing, and which are old ones? I missed the Baseball Play-offs on Monday as Tivo decided to look at BBC3 instead.
If you really can't get any reliable data, I'll take it up with the Beeb - and I'll have to remove the SP.

[smatson]

Postcode: je3
Service Provider: Sky
Channel Name: record
Channel Number: 830
Programme Name: All
Time/Date Of Airing: All

No listings

[warrenrb]

Hi, spot the new parents... :)

There's a show on Discovery Health called 'The Baby Whisperer' which won't allow me to book a season pass, even though it is a series. Can this be fixed? My wife will be chuffed.

Thanks,
Warren.

[Jim99]

Done! (on the Tribune end...)

[cwaring]

Damn, Jim. That was fast. Wish you'd fix "Click On-Line" as quick :)

[Jim99]

Ermmmm....

[pmk]

....and Talking Movies (BBCNEWS24) which suffers the same problem as Click Online basically all showings on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon are the same episode

:D

[cwaring]

Yes, sorry Jim. I should have been a little clearer. However, I have posted on this subject recently (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1430320#post1430320), so I assumed you'd read it.

[cwaring]

Jim. Can you double-check the schedule for MONDAY 20TH OCTOBER for "five" (that's Channel 5!). The current info Tivo has is that there are two documentaries on between 9pm and 11:05pm but Digiguide is showing the film "Star Trek: Insurrection" for the 9-11pm slot. I'd just like to know who is right :)

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: BBCR4FM

Channel Number: 854

Programme Name: The Food Programme

Time/Date of Airing: Sun 12/10 12:30PM

Problem: No Information Available

The Sky EPG has the correct episode listings.

Please fix before the repeat airing on Mon 13/10 4:00PM !!!!!

[OzSat]

Originally posted by Toothy
Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: BBCR4FM

Channel Number: 854

Programme Name: The Food Programme

Time/Date of Airing: Sun 12/10 12:30PM

Problem: No Information Available

The Sky EPG has the correct episode listings.

Please fix before the repeat airing on Mon 13/10 4:00PM !!!!! There is no EPG information on Sky for radio channels - only information on the current programme.

Radio is a low priority for TiVo listings - so low that I understand that it is only the UK that gets them!

[Toothy]

Please fix before the repeat airing on Mon 13/10 4:00PM !!!!!

Not fixed.



Also What Not To Wear guide data for yesterday on BBC3 was wrong.
:down:

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name BBC3

Channel Number: 115

Programme Name: What Not To Wear

Time/Date of Airing: Thu 16/10 8:30PM

Problem: Wrong Guide Data.

Guide data was same as previous episode broadcast on 9/10...even though the episode was a different one. :confused:


Can anything be done about the start time for Late Show with David Letterman on ITV2, channel 226??

TiVo starts recording at 5:10AM but the show actually starts at least 5 mins earlier. There is no way at present to start padding the beginning of the programme.

[smokie]

Mrs Smokie was called out to collect kids during watching this. When she got back she went to watch the end on TiVo but it hadn't recorded anything...yet she had a Season Pass booked.

I hope my TiVo isn't starting to play up!

[pahunt]

I also have a season pass for the Canterbury Tales and it recorded it last night so it doesn't sound like a guide data problem.

[sanderton]

Originally posted by Toothy
Can anything be done about the start time for Late Show with David Letterman on ITV2, channel 226??

TiVo starts recording at 5:10AM but the show actually starts at least 5 mins earlier. There is no way at present to start padding the beginning of the programme.

Why can't you add padding to the beginning of the programme?

[cwaring]

Is this the soluction. From another thread:

Originally posted by mrtickle
BTW, FRO also picks up showings where the guide data isn't set as Episodes....

So, if you set the 'episode' (isEpisode?) flag on CL then it should work okay, even without proper programme descriptions. I think :)

[steveroe]

Mrs Smokie was called out to collect kids during watching this. When she got back she went to watch the end on TiVo but it hadn't recorded anything...yet she had a Season Pass booked

Smokie,

What does it say in the "View Recording History" section?

[smokie]

Steve

No sign of any problems there. Plenty of stuff lined up to record, but I can't see any list of what it's supposed to have recorded...?

There appear to be no more episodes of Canterbury Tales. Which may, of course, be right.

[sanderton]

Form the To Do List select Recording History.

[smokie]

Aha! I didn't know about that (obviously!)

OK, it didn't record because "the recording options specified both a "Keep at Most" limit on number of episodes to record and they are set to "Keep until I Delete". The maximum number of episodes was in Now Playing."

Keep at Most was set to 5 in the Season Pass. 5 already existed in No Playing. So it was doing what I asked it....doh!!!

Thanks for pointing me towards that and resolving the problem for me.

[sanderton]

Keep Until I Delete Season Passes should be used with caution!

[johala_reewi]

Postcode: SO45
Service Provider: Freeview
Channel Name: BBC2
Programme Name: Have I got news for you
Time/Date of Airing: Sat 18/10 10:40PM

Problem: This was a repeat of Friday's programme on BBC1. Tivo recorded both episodes (didn't spot BBC2 as a repeat) and also didn't record another programme when it could have got both :(

[johala_reewi]

Postcode: SO45
Service Provider: Freeview
Channel Name: C5
Programme Name: Britains worst driver
Time/Date of Airing: Sun 19/10 5:00PM

Problem: This was a repeat of Tuesday's programme. Tivo recorded both episodes (didn't spot Sunday as a repeat). This is strange because it has been OK with previous episodes.

[bobnick]

And we're getting multiple copies of CD:UK each week again...

[poggs]

Tivo records all 4 showings of nfl update of sky sports 2,3 and xtra every friday/saturday. Strange?

[cwaring]

Anyone who has a SP for "The West Wing" on E4 check their ToDo List as next weeks episode is not going to be recorded as it doesn't know that it's the second of a two-parter. I find this *really* odd as it's a US show and one would have expected Tribune to have no problems with data for its own (ie US) shows :D

Jim99, this needs fixing ASAP as although people on here will now know about it, "Joe Public" may not :)

[Jim99]

We do have two parts available in our database. This simply was an error.

Its all set now.

[cwaring]

Originally posted by Jim99
This simply was an error.

Hehe. The old GIGO effect, eh Jim ;) No problem. I added mine as a "record this ep also" anyway. Just to be safe :)

[pmk]

Too late to be fixed more of a heads up. Will & Grace C4 21:00 is not being recorded as it thinks it is the same as last weeks it is actually part 2 of 2. Check your To Do list.

HTH

[cwaring]

Again, you'd think that the info for all US-based programmes would be bang-on, wouldn't you :D (Probably just "an error" again ;))

[Richardr]

Sky News every night at 7pm - 'Little John' as per Tribune should be Littlejohn - as in Richard Littlejohn, the presenter.

[cwaring]

Can you make sure that you get the following amendement in your Sky One programming information, please:

---
Saturday 1 November
23.00 Delete: Z-LIST BEHAVING BADLY
Insert: PAMMIE ... CLOSE-UP
Pamela Anderson sets the record straight in a candid interview which covers her turbulent marriage to Tommy Lee, her relationship with Kid Rock, motherhood and life as an a-list celebrity pin up.
---

It's on this Sunday too, but it clashes with new "A Touch Of Frost" :D

[cwaring]

I've just found out about this one.

BBCN24 are not showing "Talking Movies" @ 5:30am tomorrow (Saturday), but a programme on Concorde, as follows:

Concorde: The End Of The Dream
Sat 25 Oct, 05:30 - 06:00 30 mins
In a special programme to mark Concorde's final flight, BBC News 24 recalls 30 years of supersonic passenger flight, meeting designers, maintenance crew, pilots and passengers.
Widescreen/Stereo


Just thought someone might like to know :)

[Furball]

Thanks

Just plonked it in , nice one, would have missed that otherwise.
Great shame the old birds going to be grounded , but thats for another thread :)

Fur

[cwaring]

Crossing Jordan, HALLMK (190)

Since this new season started a couple of weeks ago, I have been waiting for some programme episode synposes to be added. At the moment there is a generic programme synopsis which reads....

", and takes up work with the Massachusett District Coroner's Office"

That's it; exactly as written above. I think you can see the problem :)

[Furball]

Didnt want to start a new thread so posted it here as its sort of relevant, admins please delete it once its been replied to.

Is it my imagination or has the EPG got a lot shorter , I only appear to have less than 7days available ??
I am sure it use to run for around 3 weeks where data was available

Fur

PS have checked my last daily call and all is fine.

[OzSat]

If you look at BBC/ITV - then the listings are always up until Friday next week. They are not released further ahead.

So BBC1/ITV today (26th October) will go up to 7th November. But on 31st October then will still only be up to 7th November.

Then next Saturday/Sunday you'll get another week's worth.


Most other channels will run for 19-20 days ahead.

[Toothy]

Postcode: DG1

Service Provider: Sky Digital

Channel Name: ITV1BOR

Channel Number: 103

Program Name: Single

Time/Date Of Airing: Sat 25/10 9:30PM

Problem: A SP doesn`t pick up all episodes of this 6 part series. There`s nothing in the ToDo List for 1/11 or 8/11

See Pic

http://www.btinternet.com/~mil1401/Pix/sp.jpg

Edit: ToDo List up to 13/11 but Single doesn`t appear.

http://www.btinternet.com/~mil1401/Pix/sp1.jpg

[cwaring]

I've just tried to set one up here and there's one episode listed on mine which, of course, is next weeks. There is never more than two weeks data for terrestrial channels.Last Daily Call was 5.08pm yesterday.

Also, why have you covered up the other items in the To Do List? You embarrased by what you watch? :D :eek:

[Toothy]

Originally posted by cwaring
I've just tried to set one up here and there's one episode listed on mine which, of course, is next weeks. There is never more than two weeks data for terrestrial channels.Last Daily Call was 5.08pm yesterday. My Last Daily Call was Sun 26 Oct 01:06am.......which is after yours.

I`ll see what happens at the next Daily Call. :)

Also, why have you covered up the other items in the To Do List? You embarrased by what you watch? :D :eek:

Yes :)

[bobnick]

Originally posted by Toothy


http://www.btinternet.com/~mil1401/Pix/sp1.jpg

What shows are too embarassing to be posted here :D

[LJ]

A bit late to fix now ;) but maybe next weekend's can be double checked...

Sky, 103 ITV1LON
01:40 Sun 26th
CD:UK Hotshots was scheduled as only five minutes long. Normally it's half an hour or so.

Sky, 101 BBC1
01:05 Sun 26th
Top Of The Pops was billed, but it was a showing of They Think It's All Over instead.

[Gavin]

Postcode: cm19
Service Provider: NTL
Channel Name: Skyone
Channel Number: 140
Program Name: Simpsons
Time/Date Of Airing: Sun 26th 6:30 PM

Not sure if it's my fault or Tivo's...

To late to do anything, but this was a new Simpsons episode, but was not set to record via Season Pass, Checking the recording history it said it was removed from the episode guide. There are a few other items in the recording history with the same error.

I recently had to remove my cable channels in order to get tivo to see the cable box via the Aux, and then re add them, will this have resulted in the above error (I guess so). this was a couple or weekends ago so it's probavly working through the system still.

[sanderton]

Recorded OK on mine, so I guess so, but it should have been rescheduled when you put the channels back. Maybe you didn't re-enable Sky One?

[Gavin]

Sky one is enabled, it's happily taping other cable channels inc sky one. Must be the removed and replaced problem

[andy80085]

Postcode: G4
Service Provider: NTL
Channel Name: ITV/ITV2
Programme Name: Pop Idol Results
Time/Date of Airing: Sat 25/10

Selected to record Pop Idol Result on Saturday on ITV, i.e. not a season pass, it recorded ok. TiVo then recorded the repeat on ITV2 on Sunday even thought the first was still in now playing and it hadn't been set to record the ITV2 show.

This has happened two weeks in a row.

[sanderton]

It was a suggestion then?

[andy80085]

Not a suggestion, an actual recording - it went to the top of now playing when it was recorded.

[sanderton]

I'm confused then - you say you don't have a SP for it, you didn't set it as a recording, but it still recorded??? Is there a wishlist which might have caught it?

[andy80085]

I don't think so. Imagine, a wishlist for Simon Cowell!

[sjp]

the most amusing mis-categorisation yet... the The Jim Rose Twisted Tour (on Bravo) is most definitely NOT a travel show.

[ramriot]

Just seen the above on Channel 5 (20:00-21:00) recorded to Tivo.

Funny though the guide data says the program is narrated by Christopher Reeve, but for some strange reason he sounds exactly like Fifth Gear Presenter Tiff Needel.

Must be one of those occasions where a UK/US collaborative documentary uses the same footage but with different sound to be sold in each country, and someone forgot which version we have.

[manolan]

I haven't checked in detail, but these seem to have the wrong guide data. The series being shown is the FIRST one, but the guide data seems to be for the LATEST one.

[Andy C]

Postcode: GU14
Provider: NTL Digital
Channel: Discovery
Programme: Sniper School
Time/Date: Sunday, November 2nd, 20:00hrs

Sniper School has been marked in the EPG as a Special. As far as I know it's actually a mini-series showing 5 weeks of training. Because of the 'Special' catagory a Season Pass cannot be set.

[Toothy]

With only two days until the next episode, the SP for Single on ITV1 is still broken. :(

Any ideas why??:confused:

http://www.btinternet.com/~mil1401/Pix/sp4.jpg

[OzSat]

Originally posted by Toothy
With only two days until the next episode, the SP for Single on ITV1 is still broken. :(

Any ideas why??:confused:

I suspect it has been created as a different programme with the same title - I would suggest leaving you current SP in place and create a new one from the 'Search by Title'

[aalanl]

- Postcode WD23 2HL
- Service Provider (aerial, Sky Digital, etc.) NTL analogue
- Channel Name Paramount (UKPANI)
- Channel Number 25
- Programme Name King Of Queens
- Time/Date of airing ~12:20AM weekday mornings
- Problem encountered Caroline in the City instead

There seem to be lots of Paramount schedule errors in the guide data.

Wanted to catch KoQ, which shows at 12:20 AMish each night according to TiVo. I always get Caroline in the City instead :-(

This is the shared Paramount/Nick service on NTL analogue (in Bushey/Watford in Herts) so I can't get the daytime showing.

Wasn't sure tivo actually does/can alter already downloaded guide data but then I noted it can sometimes happen as it shifted an existing scheduled future Charmed recording on Ch Five from 7:20 to 7:15 for Sat 8/11 recently.

{edited for reporting format correction}

[spxsjw]

- Postcode : NW10
- Service Provider : Sky Digital
- Channel Name : Discovery Travel & Adventure
- Channel Number : 553
- Programme Name : The Trailblazers
- Time/Date of airing : 4pm 2nd November
- Problem encountered : 'Vodka' showing instead

[digital_S]

- Postcode : CT2
- Service Provider : Freeview
- Channel Name : Five
- Channel Number : 5
- Programme Name : 5th Gear
- Time/Date of airing : 8:30pm/3rd Nov & 10th Nov
- Problem encountered : The program on 10th Nov won't be recorded due to the 28 day rule.

This can't be a repeat, as it's on 1 week later, on Monday 10th.
They both have the same Episode Title, ("Eighties Special"), so is the showing on the 10th, a part 2 of "Eighties Special" or the next program in the series?

[johala_reewi]

- Postcode : SO45
- Service Provider : Freeview
- Channel Name : Five
- Channel Number : 5
- Programme Name : Robot Wars
- Time/Date of airing : Sunday 19:00 and following Saturday 12:50
- Problem : The Saturday programme is a repeat of the previous Sunday but Tivo has them as separate episodes and is going to record both.

NB: This is the new 7th wars !!!

[Chris T]

- Postcode: LE12
- Service Provider: NTL Digital
- Channel Name: ITV
- Channel Number: 103
- Programme Name: Creature Comforts
- Time/Date of airing: Sunday 19:20 9th November
- Problem: Last Sundays episode title has been used so it looks like a repeat. The title should be “Pet Shop”

[leejordan]

- Postcode - KT8 0BU
- Service Provider - NTL
- Channel Name - Nickelodeon
- Channel Number - 72
- Programme Name - As Told by Ginger
- Time/Date of airing - 4th November 2003
- Problem encountered - No Episode Number or Description, and the Original Air Date is set to Thu 20th Nov 2003!

This is the same problem on all future episodes at 18.00. This is Series 3 of ginger which is finally being shown and my Tivo isn't automatically recording them!

Can you amend the data please?

Thanks,

Lee

[sjp]

[embarassed]

there's a celebrity wife swap episode on the 11th involving Jade Goody and the Ingram plonker.

a wishlist for jaDe goody will not find this due to her name being a touch wrong... it's in the listings as jaNe goody.

[/embarased]

[cwaring]

Originally posted by sjp
[embarassed]

I should bloody-well think so, too :D

[digital_S]

Originally posted by sjp
[embarassed]a wishlist for jaDe goody[/embarased]
Originally posted by cwaring
I should bloody-well think so, too :D Yeah, exactly. SJP - you should be embarased! I can't stand that girl!! [shudders]

[sjp]

i used to be in charge of a bunch of data prep girls that hailed from that neck of the woods, then i made them all redundant... perhaps i have a soft spot.

i only created the wishlist when i spotted a trailer for this particular episode and when it wasn't getting any hits i checked more closely and found the mis type in the data. now that the episode is scheduled the wishlist has been deleted.

HONEST GUV(s)

stuart - now thinking it's about time to change handles ;)

[b166er]

The TiVo guide data shows Time Gentlemen Please showing at 22:35 Mon-Thurs on Paramount (Sky 127).

According to the Sky EPG, and the Paramount website, it starts at 22:00.

This was confirmed when I actually tuned in at 22:00.

edit: It's not only this show that's wrong. The shows before and after are also wrong. The whole late evening Paramount listings needs to be reviewed.

EDIT2: As of today's daily call it's all fixed :)

[csansbury]

- Service Provider - Sky Digital
- Channel Name - BBC3
- Programme Name - Little Britain
- Time/Date of airing - Various
- Problem encountered - Multiple Recordings

I've just come back from a two week holiday to fine several hundred recordings of little Britain.

I may be exagerating a little, but my trusty Tivo (which had NO problems when I was away) got me every episode three or four times. It was doing this before I went away, but it's now much more obvious ( I just deleted the extra recordings before )

[pahunt]

Originally posted by csansbury
- Service Provider - Sky Digital
- Channel Name - BBC3
- Programme Name - Little Britain
- Time/Date of airing - Various
- Problem encountered - Multiple Recordings

I've just come back from a two week holiday to fine several hundred recordings of little Britain.

I may be exagerating a little, but my trusty Tivo (which had NO problems when I was away) got me every episode three or four times. It was doing this before I went away, but it's now much more obvious ( I just deleted the extra recordings before )

Good as Little Britain this is a bit of pain especially considering the number of repeats that are being shown. I think though this has been discussed before and it was found that the BBC just weren't supplying enough info for Tribune to do anything.

[dazla]

Two mistakes spotted in EPG;

- postcode - DA11 7BN
- provider - aerial
- chan name - ITV1LON
- chan num - 23
- prog name - Grandad's Army
- time - Wed 12/11 7:30pm
- problem - Should be Coronation Street at this time

* and *

- postcode - DA11 7BN
- provider - aerial
- chan name - ITV1LON
- chan num - 23
- prog name - Are You Being Served?
- time - Thu 13/11 7:30pm
- problem - Should be Grandads Army at this time

[Andy C]

Postcode: GU14
Provider: NTL Digital
Channel: Bravo
Programme: Natural Born Racers
Time/Date: Every Monday from November 10th at 18:00hrs (plus various repeats)

Natural Born Racers has been marked in the EPG as a Special. This is actually a series following 25 novice superbike racers attempting to win a professional contract. Because of the 'Special' catagory currently given, a Season Pass cannot be set.

[johala_reewi]

Originally posted by johala_reewi
- Postcode : SO45
- Service Provider : Freeview
- Channel Name : Five
- Channel Number : 5
- Programme Name : Robot Wars
- Time/Date of airing : Sunday 19:00 and following Saturday 12:50
- Problem : The Saturday programme is a repeat of the previous Sunday but Tivo has them as separate episodes and is going to record both.

NB: This is the new 7th wars !!!

Still showing Saturday episodes as a separate programme and not as a repeat.