Major Design Speculation

[sbiller]

Updated 1/6/2012: Added yes/no list for features included in the 20.2 release.

I thought I would start a thread where we could start speculating about what is coming next (early next year). I will keep this post updated with any speculation you'll care to share with me. I will include your TCF ID in the list so we can see if there is any consensus.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0o3vHB1Iv_M/Tup5ZWYW3aI/AAAAAAAASEc/eNNqhefQ490/s576/TiVoDesign_Major_Update.png





Yes HDUI Completion including HD Guide (sbiller, smbaker, DrewG5, innocentfreak)
No HD Netflix User Experience (Ux) with queue management, subtitles, surround sound, 1080p, see what's HD (sbiller, Lars_J, DrewG5)
No HD Amazon Instant Ux with Prime Streaming Support (sbiller, smbaker, DrewG5)
No HD YouTube Ux, 720p and 1080p, improved management of user ID (sbiller, Lars_J, DrewG5)
No Multiple User Profile Support for My Shows, Season Passes, Suggestions, etc. (sbiller)
No Twitter integration (sbiller)
No Facebook integration (sbiller)
Yes Android 2nd Screen App support (sbiller)
No Vudu Support (sbiller)
Yes Hulu Plus integrated in search (sbiller)
Yes Multi-Room Streaming (MRS) including network performance testing to confirm that consumer network is adequate to support streaming(johnner1999, zowwie85)
No HDUI Parental Controls // (SullyND, CoxInPHX, sbiller)
Yes 2x+ speed improvement on HDUI (sbiller)
No Screen Saver for paused recordings (CoxInPHX)
No Longer/Selectable Live TV Buffer (CoxInPHX)
No Improved Conflict Management (conflicts show in ToDo List with ability to change priority for one showing) (CoxInPHX)
Yes Guide indicates upcoming scheduled recordings (CoxInPHX)
No Auto Padding when Tuner Available (time selectable) (CoxInPHX)
No Overlapping padding when Tuner does not change channels (CoxInPHX)
No Cooperative Scheduling between 2 Premieres (CoxInPHX)
No Get Glue Social Integration (appleye1)
Yes Mini-Guide while watching live TV similar to what's available on VMED and FiOS (sbiller)
No HME App store leveraging remote servers, not local PCs (DrewG5)
No Chumby Apps (TerpBE)
No Teach TiVo to radically improve suggestion generation and handling (sbiller)
No TiVo Suggestions Grouping to improve management of TiVo suggestions (sbiller)
No User defined folders for My Shows (sbiller)
No Streaming network test that tests the local network to determine streaming support levels (sbiller)

[smbaker]

3DUI, operating at approximately 10% of the speed of the current HDUI. :)

The biggest new thing I would like to see is Prime support. I hope you're right on that.

As far as old items, I'd like to see the HDUI completed. Every screen. I have a reasonable expectation they will do this.

[Lars_J]

- I'd love to see a better Netflix UI, with search and queue management. This would be my #1 request. (Being able to see what is available in HD would be nice too)

- A Youtube update that actually allowed us to view 720p and 1080p video - AND didn't log me out every time!

- Please, no social media integration! Don't give them ideas. I use my TiVo to view content, not tweet/post about it.

If I got that, I'd be happy. Anything else would be gravy, Ple

[johnner1999]

Streaming

[zowwie85]

For those of us with cable service that sets EVERYTHING 0x02 "just because they can," it's a pain to have to watch something in a different room (or use Slingbox) because that's where it was recorded.

[SullyND]

Kidzone HD

[sbiller]

Streaming

I think we will get the streaming before the major update but I've added it to the list.

[tomhorsley]

Well, if you start a year back and extrapolate forward to next year, you'd have to speculate that absolutely nothing noticeable will happen in the next year.

[CoxInPHX]

I won't repeat what already has been listed. Is this a Wish List too?

HDUI Parental Controls (should be included in HDUI Completion)
Screen Saver for paused recordings
1Hr Live Buffer/Tuner (or selectable 1/2Hr or 1Hr)
Better Conflict Management (Conflicts show in the To Do List with ability to change priority for one showing)
Guide indicates upcoming scheduled recordings
Auto Padding when Tuner Available (Time selectable)
Overlapping Padding when Tuner does not change channels
Cooperative Scheduling between 2 Premieres

[sbiller]

I won't repeat what already has been listed. Is this a Wish List too?

HDUI Parental Controls (should be included in HDUI Completion)
Screen Saver for paused recordings
1Hr Live Buffer/Tuner (or selectable 1/2Hr or 1Hr)
Better Conflict Management (Conflicts show in the To Do List with ability to change priority for one showing)
Guide indicates upcoming scheduled recordings
Auto Padding when Tuner Available (Time selectable)
Overlapping Padding when Tuner does not change channels
Cooperative Scheduling between 2 Premieres

This is not a wish list. This is speculation as to what the TCF community thinks will be included in the next major release.

[sbiller]

Well, if you start a year back and extrapolate forward to next year, you'd have to speculate that absolutely nothing noticeable will happen in the next year.

I will put you down as someone who thinks the Premiere platform is dead and TiVo will not release any new features next year.

[sbiller]

I think we will get the streaming before the major update but I've added it to the list.

Looks like we will have to wait until the major release before getting MRS on our retail units. :(

https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/147674162633248768

[slowbiscuit]

I will put you down as someone who thinks the Premiere platform is dead and TiVo will not release any new features next year.
Sadly, what Tivo posts on Twitter means very little based on the Premiere track record so far, so it's not dead but it's certainly not pining for the fjords (old Python joke).

You can speculate about new features all you want, but it's really a waste of time and there's a zillion other wishlist threads here anyway. Hop over to Coffee House forum and see for yourself.

[sbiller]

Sadly, what Tivo posts on Twitter means nothing based on the Premiere track record so far, so it's not dead but it's certainly not pining for the fjords (old Python joke).

You can speculate about new features all you want, but it's really a waste of time.

Actually. Margret on Twitter has been quite accurate on just about everything she's responded to on Twitter. Sure, she's made a few mistakes but overall I would say that 90%+ of what she's posted has been accurate. I would recommend that you stop monitoring this thread since its meaningless to you and as you put it, is a "waste of time".

[slowbiscuit]

Agreed, enjoy your fantasy.

[hillyard]

improve guide info. No social media crap

[appleye1]

On the social media front I think there's a good chance they'll integrate GetGlue. DirecTv is adding it to their set-top boxes (http://blog.getglue.com/?p=9330) and it's a good fit for Tivo as well. (Not that I like the idea at all mind you, I just think it's an idea that's probably getting some traction with Tivo.)

[tomhorsley]

Hey, if they want to integrate social networking, how about adding a custom TV centric social network where people who are watching live TV can alert the TiVo scheduling software of changes in schedules due to breaking news, long winded politicians, sports events, etc. That might be the first useful social network ever created.

[DrewG5]

Here is what I would like to see;

1) HDUI Completion - this includes HD Guide IMHO

2) HD HME APPS - (Hulu, NetFlix, Vudu etc) Yes tivo premiere can run them, the iPhone 3G could so don't fool your self a remote computer or server can do the heavy lifting.

3) HME app store with active development using, remote servers not local PC's
*Social networking integration (Facebook, Twitter, Get Glue) only if done like Boxee not a full interface to read and, post from only collect media likes of friends as recommendations, and post them as well using the thumbs up/down rating system.

TiVo can do an a lot with this platform, it has plenty of power, more so than other DVR's that have been on the market from other vendors its a matter of listening to the user community and, active aggressive advertising of the product and, offering things that truly make TiVo a huge cut above the rest.

[aaronwt]

Hey, if they want to integrate social networking, how about adding a custom TV centric social network where people who are watching live TV can alert the TiVo scheduling software of changes in schedules due to breaking news, long winded politicians, sports events, etc. That might be the first useful social network ever created.
And what happens when a bunch of people send erroneous info?
I would pass on that.

[sbiller]

And what happens when a bunch of people send erroneous info?
I would pass on that.

I think any social integration should be very subtle and essentially allow you to easily share what you are watching with your friends and followers possibly with a link to the show so a user with a TiVo could choose to add a recording to view that show. We know TiVo is doing some sort of integration with Facebook that may heavily leverage the 2nd screen app(s). I do like the idea of an integration with GetGlue.

[tomhorsley]

And what happens when a bunch of people send erroneous info?
I would pass on that.

Same thing that happens now with the erroneous data TiVo is using, your programs get clipped or not recorded at all. Unless there was an organized "Let's mess with TiVo user's day" though, I can't see this being a problem. You'd want to believe large numbers of registered TiVo users when they all independently tell you the same thing. And if some user keeps deliberately telling you the wrong thing, then you just start ignoring him.

[aaronwt]

Same thing that happens now with the erroneous data TiVo is using, your programs get clipped or not recorded at all. Unless there was an organized "Let's mess with TiVo user's day" though, I can't see this being a problem. You'd want to believe large numbers of registered TiVo users when they all independently tell you the same thing. And if some user keeps deliberately telling you the wrong thing, then you just start ignoring him.

But right now that is an extremely rare event for my TiVos to have incorrect guide data(at least with the shows I record)
Letting a bunch of people add info themselves will increase the incorrect data by alot. And the only way for it to work properly would for it to be automatic, and if it's automatic with erroneous info then I get screwed. While right now that has happened to me only a handful of times in ten years with the current guide data.

[sbiller]

But right now that is an extremely rare event for my TiVos to have incorrect guide data(at least with the shows I record)
Letting a bunch of people add info themselves will increase the incorrect data by alot. And the only way for it to work properly would for it to be automatic, and if it's automatic with erroneous info then I get screwed. While right now that has happened to me only a handful of times in ten years with the current guide data.

Over in the UK on the CableForum --> http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11/ they are talking quite a bit about a dynamic EPG. It would be awesome if TiVo and Tribune could figure out a way to make a reliable dynamic EPG that could adjust in near-real time to program changes.

[steneni]

I'm not a fan of the social media integration. But anything to improve the speed of the UI and an improved Netflix UI. I see my son using Netflix on his Visio smart TV or his Xbox and it blows the Tivo away every time. Such a pity.

[TerpBE]

chumby

[sbiller]

Adding Teach TiVo to the Major Speculation List.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8866341#post8866341

[davezatz]

chumby

TerpBE, Doubt it. TiVo's got their own app platform of sorts and the Chumby apps on the Insiginia TV are via Best Buy's relationship with the company.

Sam, As far as "early" 2012 for a "major" update... we'll I've been a customer long enough to not hold my breath. I think several of these things will come to pass, like a completed HDUI and updated Netflix app, but I'm not banking on any specific time frame. It'll arrive when it arrives.

Some other thoughts. Vudu is unnecessary given Amazon's strong offering and TiVo's relationship with them. KidZone may operate somewhat differently under the new HDUI in light of those user profiles TiVo accidentally leaked. Assuming it even comes back.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tivo-premiere-users.jpg

I'm still waiting for a true whole-home experience. But that won't happen until the Preview is released to retail OR TiVo gives us a unified playlist with cooperative scheduling.

[sbiller]

TerpBE, Doubt it. TiVo's got their own app platform of sorts and the Chumby apps on the Insiginia TV are via Best Buy's relationship with the company.

Agree. I would be very surprised if TiVo brings Chumby to retail.


Sam, As far as "early" 2012 for a "major" update... we'll I've been a customer long enough to not hold my breath. I think several of these things will come to pass, like a completed HDUI and updated Netflix app, but I'm not banking on any specific time frame. It'll arrive when it arrives.

Margret@tivo has been pretty reliable with her tweets. I'm guessing the "major release" is pretty far along for her to actually tweet about expecting it early in 2012. Lately TiVo has been pretty good about prognostications related to items they actually have control of. I would be extremely surprised if we don't see the 16.x release in Q12012.

Some other thoughts. Vudu is unnecessary given Amazon's strong offering and TiVo's relationship with them.

Vudu is the only major content provider they are lacking right now. Personally, I'm a fan of Vudu. The quality of HDX is outstanding and I like the ability to play trailers of movies. If they can forge an agreement where Vudu is integrated into the unified search I think it would be another win for the platform.

KidZone may operate somewhat differently under the new HDUI in light of those user profiles TiVo accidentally leaked. Assuming it even comes back.

I agree it will probably act somewhat differently. I think adding KidZone to the HDUI would allow them to finally consider abandoning the SDUI.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tivo-premiere-users.jpg

I had forgot about that leaked image. That along with the survey questions just released in December lead me to believe that some sort of profiles will be included in the 16.x release.

I'm still waiting for a true whole-home experience. But that won't happen until the Preview is released to retail OR TiVo gives us a unified playlist with cooperative scheduling.

I think we can still have the whole-home experience without the Preview coming to retail. I think TiVo is trying to improve the Preview experience before they release it to retail. They need iPad support, the ability to remotely start recordings, and the ability to run OTT services like Netflix and Amazon. I'm now looking for a Preview release sometime in the 2nd half of 2012.

I don't think we'll see cooperative scheduling. I think TiVo's approach is to have a home server (i.e., Elite/Q) and stream from it to secondary Premiere's and Previews. Some sort of cooperative scheduling would be very cool but I'm not sure they've figured out an innovative way to support it yet.

[innocentfreak]

I thought I had already replied here, but I guess not.

I think 16.x or whatever it turns out to be will be the complete HDUI, but new features will probably come after that. This would more than likely happen after every TiVo, including MSOs, are running the same software. I believe TiVo confirmed they are working towards a consolidated platform so all boxes are running the same software just with various features enabled or disabled.

We will see some new features that we have already seen on Virgin boxes like the marks in the HD guide, but I wouldn't expect any new feautures we haven't seen already released.

I think once all the boxes are upgraded and there has been a good soak we will start to see some new features polled about. Most likely the MSOs will get them first.

I would imagine the full HDUI will be available to see in private meetings under NDA at CES, but my guess is some if not all of the new screens have already been seen at previous CES meetings. If it truly is early 2012, they will probably have a TiVo running the full HDUI to play with, but again still under NDA.

[sbiller]

I thought I had already replied here, but I guess not.

I think 16.x or whatever it turns out to be will be the complete HDUI, but new features will probably come after that. This would more than likely happen after every TiVo, including MSOs, are running the same software. I believe TiVo confirmed they are working towards a consolidated platform so all boxes are running the same software just with various features enabled or disabled.

We will see some new features that we have already seen on Virgin boxes like the marks in the HD guide, but I wouldn't expect any new feautures we haven't seen already released.

I think once all the boxes are upgraded and there has been a good soak we will start to see some new features polled about. Most likely the MSOs will get them first.

I would imagine the full HDUI will be available to see in private meetings under NDA at CES, but my guess is some if not all of the new screens have already been seen at previous CES meetings. If it truly is early 2012, they will probably have a TiVo running the full HDUI to play with, but again still under NDA.

Agree that we will see most if not all of the HDUI complete with performance equivalent to Virgin's 15.2 build. I'm guessing we will see some of the core features that people have been asking for in the retail boxes first. Things like Hulu Plus integration into the search, Amazon Prime Streaming and a new Netflix client. Many of the other things we are speculating about will probably be delayed as you describe.

[sbiller]

Added a caveat to MRS. I think TiVo will put a test in place similar to what Vudu, Roku and other streaming boxes do to confirm the consumer's network can handle streaming. Based on the results of this test, certain streaming features will and will not be available.

This will cut down on the number of support calls related to streaming services like Amazon Prime Instant and MRS not working. I think I will add this as a separate line-item.

[sbiller]

Updated Kids Zone HD to Parental Controls. They have HDUI Parental Controls on Virgin Media already so I expect that this is the direction they are heading.

[bmgoodman]

I expect Tivo to announce "the best Tivo ever." I expect an announcement with even more buzzwords and exclamation points!!!! And I expect very few real improvements. :p

[sbiller]

I've started tracking TiVo's hype for the past three years. The linked spreadsheet currently has two categories. Deals and Capabilities. Its sorted from most recent to oldest.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0ApZGN1EG2HMRdElyUU53ZlI0TWI3MXpNdjNxT2tNOXc&output=html

~Sam

[slowbiscuit]

LOL, your row for 'Tivo Premiere Launch' is a marketing fail and not an unknown, regardless of how you try to spin it two years later. Remember it was pitched as the one box to rule them all, but has still not (and IMO, never will) live up to that. Great DVR yes, one box for all, no.

[sbiller]

LOL, your row for 'Tivo Premiere Launch' is a marketing fail and not an unknown, regardless of how you try to spin it two years later. Remember it was pitched as the one box to rule them all, but has still not (and IMO, never will) live up to that. Great DVR yes, one box for all, no.


Sometimes a failure turns into a success. Calling it a failure isn't any more accurate than calling it a success. Hence the reason I assigned it an unknown rating.

Longer term I think the Premiere will be a success.

[aaronwt]

LOL, your row for 'Tivo Premiere Launch' is a marketing fail and not an unknown, regardless of how you try to spin it two years later. Remember it was pitched as the one box to rule them all, but has still not (and IMO, never will) live up to that. Great DVR yes, one box for all, no.

There is no one box for everything and if it ever does happen it won't be great at everthing so you will still need other boxes that do a better job for certan thngs.

[slowbiscuit]

Doesn't change the fact that the marketing was 100% wrong, which makes the launch a fail according to Tivo itself.

Notice the highlighting? You might want to change your row.

[TerpBE]

tivodesign TiVo Margret Schmidt
One or two cool new things coming out in the next few weeks. Stay tuned!
2 hours ago

[davezatz]

HD guide and new channel bar? Maybe MRS, too? ;)

[innocentfreak]

HD guide and new channel bar? Maybe MRS, too? ;)

Do you really think they would only release a partial HD update at this point? At one point it made sense, but I just see them getting more backlash if it is only one or two screens. Of course it could just be a tease for the major update which would hopefully finish the UI.

I can see MRS being part of it.

[compnurd]

I wonder if Direct TV coming out with there HD interface may speed things up for Tivo. We may see a gradual interface upgrade instead of a drawn out one shot update. This way Tivo is showing improvement

[davezatz]

Do you really think

Let's just say I have some idea of what's coming and don't have to think (and expect the typical staggered rollout, hence Margret's two week time frame). I'll probably have more to say later.

[aaronwt]

Let's just say I have some idea of what's coming and don't have to think (and expect the typical staggered rollout, hence Margret's two week time frame). I'll probably have more to say later.

Are you going to be at CES? If so will you be looking at the TiVo booth?

[davezatz]

Are you going to be at CES? If so will you be looking at the TiVo booth?

I'm taking the year off from CES, but TiVo graciously keeps me in the loop from afar.

[EldRick]

Comcast seems to think that 480i is High Definition, and most of their content is at this lowest of standards. My TV does a LOT better at scaling than the tivo, and does not screw up the color balance and saturation when upscaling to 1080.

I'd like to see a setting like that available on the DirecTV dvrs, where the box outputs the same native resolution as the content, so that my TV can do high-grade scaling automatically.

[compnurd]

Comcast seems to think that 480i is High Definition, and most of their content is at this lowest of standards. My TV does a LOT better at scaling than the tivo, and does not screw up the color balance and saturation when upscaling to 1080.

I'd like to see a setting like that available on the DirecTV dvrs, where the box outputs the same native resolution as the content, so that my TV can do high-grade scaling automatically.

Direct TV Boxes have Scaled at Native Source for several years now

[innocentfreak]

Let's just say I have some idea of what's coming and don't have to think (and expect the typical staggered rollout, hence Margret's two week time frame). I'll probably have more to say later.

Well I always figure you have an idea ;). MRS and any HDUI updates will be nice. It does make sense that it is only the guide and channel banner though since Virgin already has these.

Hopefully this turns out to tease for the major update then and we see a finished HDUI sooner rather than later.

[EldRick]

"Direct TV Boxes have Scaled at Native Source for several years now"

However, the morons removed "Native" from the Premiere series in a recent software update - a stunningly stupid decision on their part.

[innocentfreak]

Well TiVodesign tweeted that she might get a picture out in the next day or so.

[sbiller]

Well TiVodesign tweeted that she might get a picture out in the next day or so.

Actually she said later today! :up:

[compnurd]

awesome

[innocentfreak]

Actually she said later today! :up:

She also said she will try ;). I figure this way no one would be disappointed if it didn't come today.

I definitely am interested to see Zatz's post.

[aadam101]

TerpBE, Doubt it. TiVo's got their own app platform of sorts and the Chumby apps on the Insiginia TV are via Best Buy's relationship with the company.

Sam, As far as "early" 2012 for a "major" update... we'll I've been a customer long enough to not hold my breath. I think several of these things will come to pass, like a completed HDUI and updated Netflix app, but I'm not banking on any specific time frame. It'll arrive when it arrives.

Some other thoughts. Vudu is unnecessary given Amazon's strong offering and TiVo's relationship with them. KidZone may operate somewhat differently under the new HDUI in light of those user profiles TiVo accidentally leaked. Assuming it even comes back.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tivo-premiere-users.jpg

I'm still waiting for a true whole-home experience. But that won't happen until the Preview is released to retail OR TiVo gives us a unified playlist with cooperative scheduling.

Not sure how I missed the posting about this image. That looks fantastic. It seems to take a bit of the simplicity away but I love it anyway.

It's also interesting that they are using the term "apps"

[davezatz]

She also said she will try ;). I figure this way no one would be disappointed if it didn't come today.

I definitely am interested to see Zatz's post.

I'm writing now. :) It'll be a short post with some positive things and some not so positive things, probably no surprises. You know how it goes. I have clearance to talk... actually, I've had it all day. But I'm waiting on my TiVo to update so I can provide some visuals.

[Philmatic]

Yay! Can't wait!

[innocentfreak]

I'm writing now. :) It'll be a short post with some positive things and some not so positive things, probably no surprises. You know how it goes. I have clearance to talk... actually, I've had it all day. But I'm waiting on my TiVo to update so I can provide some visuals.

Damn TiVo, download faster.

[davezatz]

Damn TiVo, download faster.

Still waiting for them to flip the switch... hope they do it soon, as I'm ready to move on with my evening.

[sbiller]

Still waiting for them to flip the switch... hope they do it soon, as I'm ready to move on with my evening.

How 'bout a hint as to what we're going to see?!?

[innocentfreak]

Still waiting for them to flip the switch... hope they do it soon, as I'm ready to move on with my evening.

How 'bout a hint as to what we're going to see?!?

Yeah I am curious is this part of the major update, or is this something they plan on having go live in the next week or so.

[sbiller]

Yeah I am curious is this part of the major update, or is this something they plan on having go live in the next week or so.

This is something they plan on going live with in the next week or so. Typical staged roll-out.

[davezatz]

Yeah I am curious is this part of the major update, or is this something they plan on having go live in the next week or so.

It'll be the typical staggered rollout, most likely starting this week possibly even today. For TiVo, it's pretty major. For us, it may not be quite as major.

How 'bout a hint as to what we're going to see?!?

See #41 and #56?

[sbiller]

See #41 and #56?

Those will be welcome additions! :up:

[innocentfreak]

It'll be the typical staggered rollout, most likely starting this week possibly even today. For TiVo, it's pretty major. For us, it may not be quite as major.



See #41 and #56?

Gotcha. I wasn't sure from her tweet if maybe they were just unveiling it to tease about what the rest of the HDUI would look like.

I really hope this doesn't turn out to be the major update unless it also includes some other new functionality than what we have already seen even if just on the Virgin TiVo.

[JosephB]

It'll be the typical staggered rollout, most likely starting this week possibly even today. For TiVo, it's pretty major. For us, it may not be quite as major.



See #41 and #56?

Well stop chatting with me on twitter and post some pictures :D

[BlackBetty]

Wtf's taking so long? :D

[innocentfreak]

Well stop chatting with me on twitter and post some pictures :D

He is waiting for his TiVo to update to take the pics ;).

[BlackBetty]

Add the pics later. The suspense is killing us.

[Test]

I see tivodesign follows hbo go on twitter. An indication of future features?

[JosephB]

I see tivodesign follows hbo go on twitter. An indication of future features?

Now that would be awesome.

[Philmatic]

I see tivodesign follows hbo go on twitter. An indication of future features?

Meh, I have no faith in TiVo to keep any apps updated over time. I'd rather they license Roku's software and move the hell on so they can concentrate on what they do best. Revamped Netflix with HD support, Hulu, Pandora, Vudu, and tons of other apps that they would get instantly for very little development work and that are constantly updated.

[JosephB]

Meh, I have no faith in TiVo to keep any apps updated over time. I'd rather they license Roku's software and move the hell on so they can concentrate on what they do best. Revamped Netflix with HD support, Hulu, Pandora, Vudu, and tons of other apps that they would get instantly for very little development work and that are constantly updated.

Well, with the Flash platform they can provide their specs to partners (like HBO) and allow them to maintain the interface. Not saying they will, but it's more flexible

[tomm1079]

Let's just say I have some idea of what's coming and don't have to think (and expect the typical staggered rollout, hence Margret's two week time frame). I'll probably have more to say later.


Love to hear this. Thanks for the little bit of info dave

[tomm1079]

I'm writing now. :) It'll be a short post with some positive things and some not so positive things, probably no surprises. You know how it goes. I have clearance to talk... actually, I've had it all day. But I'm waiting on my TiVo to update so I can provide some visuals.

damn now im going to keep coming back all night!

[davezatz]

Add the pics later. The suspense is killing us.

Eh, I hate running posts without pics. Just got off the phone with TiVo. And I'm hoping for a software push within about 30 minutes or so. Hopefully the engineering department is ready to roll! Because I'm ready to shut down for the night.

[innocentfreak]

Eh, I hate running posts without pics. Just got off the phone with TiVo. And I'm hoping for a software push within about 30 minutes or so. Hopefully the engineering department is ready to roll! Because I'm ready to shut down for the night.

Use Microsoft paint and make your own for now ;).

[compnurd]

What is 41 and 56

[innocentfreak]

What is 41 and 56

Top secret internal TiVo code numbers.

Ok maybe not, he is referring to the post # in the thread. Look at comment 41 and 56. This is comment 79.

[bradleys]

I am always late with my responses!

[tomm1079]

Top secret internal TiVo code numbers.

Ok maybe not, he is referring to the post # in the thread. Look at comment 41 and 56. This is comment 79.

you gave away the secret!!!

[Dan Clarke]

Why not 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42?

[compnurd]

Ah Cool. Those all would be very welcome additions

[SafariKC]

Im seeing a new? Star Ad on my Premiere and Elite TiVo Central this evening - an offer to upgrade to a ..... Tivo Premiere!

Bravo! This is an excellent new "feature" for the Premiere platform.

All kidding aside, if they just turned this on at the back end... They must be starting the process of pushing their warm chewey newness. Anyone else seeing this? Am I on crack - or is this indeed new for the HDUi menu?

[sbiller]

Im seeing a new? Star Ad on my Premiere and Elite TiVo Central this evening - an offer to upgrade to a ..... Tivo Premiere!

Bravo! This is an excellent new "feature" for the Premiere platform.

All kidding aside, if they just turned this on at the back end... They must be starting the process of pushing their warm chewey newness. Anyone else seeing this? Am I on crack - or is this indeed new for the HDUi menu?

How 'bout a pic? At least it will be something to look at while we wait for Zatz's post! :D

[SafariKC]

How 'bout a pic? At least it will be something to look at while we wait for Zatz's post! :D

Oh sure... I posted it on twitter to @tivodesign to make sure she knew I found a hint on my own :). http://t.co/QCg4MTNJ

[tomm1079]

Oh sure... I posted it on twitter to @tivodesign to make sure she knew I found a hint on my own :). http://t.co/QCg4MTNJ

haha that showed up on my elite to!

[davezatz]

Im seeing a new? Star Ad on my Premiere and Elite TiVo Central this evening - an offer to upgrade to a ..... Tivo Premiere!

Bravo! This is an excellent new "feature" for the Premiere platform.

All kidding aside, if they just turned this on at the back end... They must be starting the process of pushing their warm chewey newness. Anyone else seeing this?

Yeah, I see it too. But still haven't gotten the software update yet... and I'm unplugging for the evening. So it's very possible some of you will see the new software before me if TiVo's ready to roll. :)

[JosephB]

Oh boy just what I want, more ads :)

[JosephB]

Well, TivoDesign finally came through :)

http://i.imgur.com/1xYQc.png

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/155129725017264128

I just hope the old Live Guide survives and gets the HD treatment

[CoxInPHX]

Nice, But I too hope the Live Guide gets some HD treatment too, and not discarded.

[shadowfrom88]

That looks sharp!! Will this be part of an upcoming update or just a switch tivo will throw to turn it on? hmmmm...

[JosephB]

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://i.imgur.com/0bNxs.png

https://twitter.com//tivodesign/status/155132920825257984

[SafariKC]

Looks the same as the virgin user experience. We can probably expect the info bar to be the same as well .. Only blue :)

http://virgintivo.blogspot.com/p/tv-reloaded-virgin-medias-tivo-reviewed.html

I hope we also get the speed improvements that came with v15 according to some users .. Will be very nice reward for hanging in there :)

KC

[JosephB]

The bar is at the bottom? That will take some getting used to...

[mattack]

http://t.co/iW3XVbtO

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how is this better than the existing grid guide? (I DO NOT HAVE A PREMIERE, I ONLY HAVE a [dead] S3 & TivoHD.)

Still no "THIS WILL BE RECORDED" [in to do list] info in the grid view?

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/490013555.png?Expires=1325822690&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=iTvpkwlBZhA~FJh-46KPYyG9v8Gk5NO-jP3T1-RM8iY6V5kq6pQAn57PidhU5pLLs2VaRCNSSTGcraPnoyvSqUX7G-JMagg7Jqme0QwExJPYCFCHeU6BWTfWm5BlAamspyREriPXqs0x29mTwPVzl2 VXYWSY~jEKVc-IZJ8xv3k_

Now *this* looks potentially more useful than the existing view by channel/time interface (though you only get the same 8 items/time in the list). Even on a 4:3 screen, the view by channel/time interface always seem(ed) to me like it could show WAY more information on the screen at one time, even without using a microscopic font.

These images still seem to show a HUUUUGE amount of space being taken for the channel column though.

[innocentfreak]

The bar is at the bottom? That will take some getting used to...

That might be specific to the uk.

[innocentfreak]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how is this better than the existing grid guide? (I DO NOT HAVE A PREMIERE, I ONLY HAVE a [dead] S3 & TivoHD.)

Still no "THIS WILL BE RECORDED" [in to do list] info in the grid view?



Now *this* looks potentially more useful than the existing view by channel/time interface (though you only get the same 8 items/time in the list). Even on a 4:3 screen, the view by channel/time interface always seem(ed) to me like it could show WAY more information on the screen at one time, even without using a microscopic font.

These images still seem to show a HUUUUGE amount of space being taken for the channel column though.

The virgin TiVo as shown in the link earlier in the thread has indicators so I would assume we will get them also.

[rainwater]

Still no "THIS WILL BE RECORDED" [in to do list] info in the grid view?


@tivodesign:
Oh sorry, the image doesn't show the currently recording and upcoming recording icons. (But they are there!)

[mattack]

Thanks for the quick updates! I still am probably missing what is better than the existing grid guide (except I guess it "looks nicer"/is HD??). I mean mostly from a functionality perspective.

[rainwater]

Thanks for the quick updates! I still am probably missing what is better than the existing grid guide (except I guess it "looks nicer"/is HD??). I mean mostly from a functionality perspective.

The grid guide extends more than 1 1/2 hours in the new version and you can use the guide while still seeing live tv (not obscured).

[rainwater]

And it is starting to roll out tonight!

[bradleys]

Still no "THIS WILL BE RECORDED" [in to do list] info in the grid view?


TiVodesign apologized that the image did not show current or upcoming recordings, but comfirmed that they are there.

[innocentfreak]

She just tweeted the mini guide.

[JosephB]

http://i.imgur.com/ohTbM.png

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/155141089106464768

[Mike Pfeifer]

The current grid guide only shows 1.5 hrs of horizontal space, but the new one shows 2.0+ (+ because after hour 2, it's only partially shown.) I wonder how easy it will be to switch to the live guide... It almost looks like you can do both at the same time? Or am I not seeing it right?

[mattack]

The grid guide extends more than 1 1/2 hours in the new version and you can use the guide while still seeing live tv (not obscured).

You're right, thanks. I guess I was expecting 3 hours (like you see in printed guides), and mentally skipped over that it was showing 4 full columns (2 hours), plus a tiny bit of the next column.

The NEW icon is very useful, I OCD-ishly manually go into the detailed info very often. The only other OCD-ish thing would be to _somehow_ indicate that you actually have padding on the to-be-recorded icons. That's a pipedream though. (It seems like nowadays almost all of the shows I watch _need_ padding or I miss part of the beginning/end.)

[aaronwt]

Here is a link to the three pictures she posted.

http://twitpic.com/83qovn

[aaronwt]

I've got a "pending restart" on my XL. :D

[innocentfreak]

Same here on my xl, also she just tweeted the banner and it is the same as virgin so it is on the bottom.

[JosephB]

The info banner:
http://i.imgur.com/bKiPl.png

https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/155146391851765762

[aaronwt]

How can they change it to the bottom like that? For ten years I've been using TiVos it's been on the top. Now I've got to relearn where to look.;)



Of course I'm kidding. It looks like another good change.

Sweet!! This is much, much better.

Also navigation seems a little faster and also different with some kind of animations between page changes in the menus.

[innocentfreak]

How can they change it to the bottom like that? For ten years I've been using TiVos it's been on the top. Now I've got to relearn where to look.;)



Of course I'm kidding. It looks like another good change.

Yeah, her point is a good one though behind the reasoning. Now you won't have any more chopped off heads.

[JosephB]

The info banner when changing channels: (the "middle" option between channel logo only and complete info, I suppose)

http://i.imgur.com/mLTN3.png

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/155148581265874944

[aadam101]

The info banner:
http://i.imgur.com/bKiPl.png

https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/155146391851765762

I just watched that episode today!!

[JosephB]

How can they change it to the bottom like that? For ten years I've been using TiVos it's been on the top. Now I've got to relearn where to look.;)



Of course I'm kidding. It looks like another good change.

Not just 10 years of TiVo, but I don't know of any set top box in the history of STBs that I've used that's been on the bottom. I think some SciAtl boxes had them at the bottom, but none I used.

[morac]

Not just 10 years of TiVo, but I don't know of any set top box in the history of STBs that I've used that's been on the bottom. I think some SciAtl boxes had them at the bottom, but none I used.

The Motorola boxes do.

[aaronwt]

The version is showing as 20.2-01-2-748 on my XL. None of my other boxes got the update.

[JosephB]

The Motorola boxes do.

Ok, well maybe not as rare as I thought :) I've been a satellite customer most of my paid-tv-customer life

[rainwater]

Not just 10 years of TiVo, but I don't know of any set top box in the history of STBs that I've used that's been on the bottom. I think some SciAtl boxes had them at the bottom, but none I used.

Most cable company STBs have the info bar on the bottom I thought? All I have ever used did. It makes more sense at the bottom especially the mini guide.

[innocentfreak]

The version is showing as 20.2-01-2-748 on my XL. None of my other boxes got the update.

Nice what is the ui and flash version? My xl is still applying the update.

[JosephB]

Engadget is confirming that MRS is enabled in this release. Zatz shouldn't have gone to bed, he got scooped!

[aaronwt]

Engadget is confirming that MRS is enabled in this release. Zatz shouldn't have gone to bed, he got scooped!
But there is no way to test unless you have multiple boxes with the new update.

[JosephB]

But there is no way to test unless you have multiple boxes with the new update.

I believe their source is TiVo. Of course the devil is in the details. Does streaming obey copy restrictions on digital content?

If yes, then yawn. If no, then they may have just sold another Premiere

[aaronwt]

Nice what is the ui and flash version? My xl is still applying the update.

Flash Player version is 20-2-mr/2011.12.06-2105

HD Menu Software version is b-iris-2-0-mr/2011.12.16-1451

[innocentfreak]

I believe their source is TiVo. Of course the devil is in the details. Does streaming obey copy restrictions on digital content?

If yes, then yawn. If no, then they may have just sold another Premiere

No streaming ignores the copy flags since it streams rather than copies. I think Aaron meant more to test performance rather than verify it exists.

[aaronwt]

No streaming ignores the copy flags since it streams rather than copies. I think Aaron meant more to test performance rather than verify it exists.

Yes. I can't check it out since my other boxes did not get updated.

[rainwater]

I believe their source is TiVo. Of course the devil is in the details. Does streaming obey copy restrictions on digital content?

If yes, then yawn. If no, then they may have just sold another Premiere

The whole point of streaming is to enable streaming of content flagged as copy once. This will allow you to stream most content that is flagged by cable companies.

[aaronwt]

My Discovery bar is now only showing four items. And it won't scroll to other items like it used too. That should please some people.

[aaronwt]

Did't the progress bar used to show minutes and seconds? Now it just shows minutes.

It's also still upconverting to 720P even when 480P is checked.

FF is the same as before too. I like it anyway.

This is definitely a nice change. I only wish all my boxes got the update, or at least my Elite too since I use my Elite the most often.

[SafariKC]

Any changes to TiVo Central?

[innocentfreak]

The settings menu is different. Looks almost HD now.

Not sure I like the discovery bar now. The shows are labeled such as top pick okay, popular on web, my shows, etc. same as Aaron though I can't scroll anymore.

[aaronwt]

The settings menu is different. Looks almost HD now.

Mine looks like it's SD with an HD TiVo guy. The text is not sharp like it would be in HD.
The background is different though.

[JosephB]

The whole point of streaming is to enable streaming of content flagged as copy once. This will allow you to stream most content that is flagged by cable companies.

Ah, then they have sold another Premiere a few paychecks down the road :)

[JosephB]

http://i.imgur.com/bLc77.png

TiVoDesign: "More you say? Here's one with a few changes to spot."

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/155154455208267776

I don't know what's different here, I don't use the search screen all that much

[TiVoMargret]

Yes, Multi-Room Streaming is coming with this release, but it is enabled a little bit differently, so it won't be turned on until everyone has been updated.

Hulu Plus is now integrated into Search.

(It isn't any fun if I tell you *everything*, right?)

[innocentfreak]

Yes, Multi-Room Streaming is coming with this release, but it is enabled a little bit differently, so it won't be turned on until everyone has been updated.

Hulu Plus is now integrated into Search.

(It isn't any fun if I tell you *everything*, right?)

Only if you do once it rolls out to everyone so we can confirm we found it all.

[SafariKC]

Did't the progress bar used to show minutes and seconds? Now it just shows minutes.

Looks like my un-upgraded units show only minutes - so perhaps no change there.

[JosephB]

Yes, Multi-Room Streaming is coming with this release, but it is enabled a little bit differently, so it won't be turned on until everyone has been updated.

Hulu Plus is now integrated into Search.

(It isn't any fun if I tell you *everything*, right?)

You guys are, in my mind, the Apple of DVRs, but I hope you'll release more detailed release notes than they do :) More transparency is better than less, always. Especially when you have a technically adept user base and community like us nerds here

[innocentfreak]

Mine looks like it's SD with an HD TiVo guy. The text is not sharp like it would be in HD.
The background is different though.

Yeah I am seeing the same.

Yes the minutes under the progress bar is new. Previously we only saw arrows at least in the HDUI.

The skip time is centered again.

The guide looks good. I hope there are plans to add functionality though. It would be nice to see more added at least under options.

Also from the latest tweet you can stations in search results now.

[TerpBE]

I was pretty meh about the update until I saw that it has recording indicators! That was one of the things that bugged me most about Tivo. I like scrolling through the guide to see what will and will not be recorded without having to go back and forth to my to do list. :up::up::up:

[TiVoMargret]

Only if you do once it rolls out to everyone so we can confirm we found it all.

I will do my best, but you may find more than I remember. (I've had this update for awhile now.)

[SafariKC]

http://i.imgur.com/bLc77.png

TiVoDesign: "More you say? Here's one with a few changes to spot."

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/155154455208267776

I don't know what's different here, I don't use the search screen all that much

Looks like (by the live icons and text on right) the results now show you the different content providers right in the list - select to view. That should make it a but less menu cascadey and help get people to content quicker.

[GriffithStrife]

I am freaking out if I don't get this update soon, kittens die. BTW this is what Tivo needs PR good PR

[innocentfreak]

I will do my best, but you may find more than I remember. (I've had this update for awhile now.)

Works for me.


I just noticed the menus have a sort of animated flip style to them when changing from TiVo Central to My Shows, and they seem to be a tad quicker.

Also with regards to search. You now have an option to create wishlists based off your search. For example if you search NBC, above Youtube results for NBC, you now have an option to create a wishlist for NBC.

[TerpBE]

Here's a higher-res version of the Virgin Tivo guide (with recording indicators), which is probably pretty close to what we're getting:

http://paidcontent.org/images/editorial/h_large/virgin-media-tivo-tv-catch-up-l.jpg

[innocentfreak]

Here's a higher-res version of the Virgin Tivo guide (with recording indicators), which is probably pretty close to what we're getting:

http://paidcontent.org/images/editorial/h_large/virgin-media-tivo-tv-catch-up-l.jpg

We don't have Season Pass indicators assuming that is what those triple circles mean. We only have what is being recorded so far.

[morac]

Also with regards to search. You now have an option to create wishlists based off your search. For example if you search NBC, above Youtube results for NBC, you now have an option to create a wishlist for NBC.


That's not new. It's been that way for a very long time, I think since the Premiere came out. You could always create Wish Lists if you scrolled all the way to the bottom of the results.

[JosephB]

We don't have Season Pass indicators assuming that is what those triple circles mean. We only have what is being recorded so far.

Oh I'd like those Season Pass indicators. The DirecTV DVRs have something like that, which were carried over from the old Microsoft UltimateTVs (that may be patented or similar, though. Maybe why we don't have them in the US?)

[innocentfreak]

That's not new. It's been that way for a very long time, I think since the Premiere came out. You could always create Wish Lists if you scrolled all the way to the bottom of the results.

Didn't give me the option on my Elite. I tried it and I only got results and Youtube.

[TerpBE]

We don't have Season Pass indicators assuming that is what those triple circles mean. We only have what is being recorded so far.

No "to be recorded" indicators? :confused: That's disappointing.

[JosephB]

We don't have Season Pass indicators assuming that is what those triple circles mean. We only have what is being recorded so far.

What does that greyed out line at the bottom mean? Is that a non-subscribed channel or something? I assume being integrated the TiVo UI has more information about channel availability than stand alone US TiVos

[Mike Pfeifer]

Didn't give me the option on my Elite. I tried it and I only got results and Youtube.

It's not on my premier either.

Really looking forward to this update, hopefully feedback is good so the full rollout can begin soon.

[innocentfreak]

No "to be recorded" indicators? :confused: That's disappointing.

To Be Recorded indicators are there with double blue checkmarks.

[innocentfreak]

What does that greyed out line at the bottom mean? Is that a non-subscribed channel or something? I assume being integrated the TiVo UI has more information about channel availability than stand alone US TiVos

Yeah guessing that is a channel they don't get since I believe they can't add/remove channels.

[TerpBE]

What does that greyed out line at the bottom mean? Is that a non-subscribed channel or something? I assume being integrated the TiVo UI has more information about channel availability than stand alone US TiVos

This is just a guess, but it may just be like that because it is the bottom row. For example, if you look at the "My Shows" (Now Playing) list, the text of the bottom 2 (or 1.5) listings on the page looks faded out, as a stylistic indicator that there's more to the list if you scroll down.

[TerpBE]

To Be Recorded indicators are there with double blue checkmarks.

Woohoo! I rescind my disappointment.

[Mike Pfeifer]

To Be Recorded indicators are there with double blue checkmarks.

Double blue checks would indicate season pass, correct? Single check would be manually set to record?

[innocentfreak]

Woohoo! I rescind my disappointment.

Still it would be nice if there were Season Pass Indicators in the guide. I also don't know if blue arrows were the best choice since they don't jump out at you. Green or yellow might have worked better.

Also there are no filter options to be found unless I am missing them since they aren't under options. I am really surprised by this.

[innocentfreak]

Double blue checks would indicate season pass, correct? Single check would be manually set to record?

Yeah it looks like it.

Sorry for all the single line replies as I keep finding things. Someone needs to make a thread tonight or tomorrow compressing all of this so it is easy to find.

The Discovery bar also I noticed isn't near as bright and colorful. The pictures are muted and shrunk to fit the labels underneath. It would be nice to be able to turn off the labels and have the old images back. It really dulls the pages now. It is amazing the difference when jumping between my Elite, which doesn't have the update and XL which does.

TiVo Central now displays the time in the upper right corner under the discovery bar in line with TiVo Central.

[Mike Pfeifer]

It would be nice if some sort of instruction screen would pop up after an update to teach you this stuff. I assume there are at least some people out there that don't check forums like this and will turn the tv on one morning and wonder why the TiVo is different all of a sudden.

[TiVoMargret]

No "to be recorded" indicators? :confused: That's disappointing.

No, they are there. We accidentally left them out of the screen shot. (Sorry!)

Red Circle = recording now
Two blue checkmarks = Season Pass will record
One blue checkmark = One-time recording will record

[Test]

No, they are there. We accidentally left them out of the screen shot. (Sorry!)

Red Circle = recording now
Two blue checkmarks = Season Pass will record
One blue checkmark = One-time recording will record

Awesome, is there a priority list?

[Joe Siegler]

Please PLEASE tell me I can use this if I'm using KidZone. I really hate being stuck in SDUI because I use KidZone.

Edit: Margret sent me a msg saying on Twitter that KidZone still forces you to use SDUI.

http://static.divbyzero.nl/facepalm/doublefacepalm.jpg

[mmf01]

No updates yet, but one of my Premier boxes kindly informed me to "Upgrade to Premier" at the very bottom in TiVo central. Forced connect and it went away.

[TerpBE]

No, they are there. We accidentally left them out of the screen shot. (Sorry!)

Red Circle = recording now
Two blue checkmarks = Season Pass will record
One blue checkmark = One-time recording will record

That's great to hear. Thanks for all the information you've provided Margret.

[Goldwing2001]

TiVoMargret - Do you always work this late? Not that I'm complaining. I love getting the latest update info direct from the expert, but it's got to be after midnight where you are.

Thanks for working above and beyond!

[Joe Siegler]

TiVoMargret - Do you always work this late? Not that I'm complaining. I love getting the latest update info direct from the expert, but it's got to be after midnight where you are.

Thanks for working above and beyond!

TiVo's in California, so if she's at HQ, it's 10:20PM right this minute there.

Edit: For the record, it's cool all this info is being given. That's great stuff! Not thrilled with the KidZone thing, but I'm still eagerly looking forward to the rest of it.

[innocentfreak]

Summary of Changes

As seen in pictures, the guides have been updated. With the update we gained and lost.
GUIDE
Gained
Recording indicators. Double Checks for season pass recording set to record and single checks for manual recordings. Note: There is no Season Pass indicator only shows scheduled to record are marked.

Lost
Filters. I don't see any option to filter by content in the guide now.

Dislike
You have a preview window in the guide whether this is enabled or turned off. This seems to be par for the course with TiVo though, but it would be nice to not have it. You can't turn the preview window off so you have to pick a show from My Shows to watch while browsing the guide otherwise you risk spoiling a show that is currently being recorded just to use the guide.


Menus

All screens now have a HD background and box even though the text is still SD. Hard to describe so hopefully someone can take a screenshot. This seems to help with menu transitions see next.

Menus are a little more animated and seem to flip when going between menus.

On the Find Screen there is a dotted line seperating the search and OTT providers like youtube and Netflix.

Discovery bar now only has 5 items and under each picture is a category such as Popular on Web, My Shows, etc. This is so people know why it is recommended. Unfortunately this also dulls and shrinks the images and the whole screen looks faded as a result. You can no longer scroll left to right either.

Under Search you now have an option to create a wishlist for your search. Say for example you wanted to search for Alcatraz and it wasn't in there yet at the bottom of the results above Youtube now you have the option to create a wishlist for Alcatraz.

Under Search you can now search for channels, by channel name such as NBC. this gives you the ability to select the channel to watch live. It will take you to live tv first and then ask if you want to cancel the recording if something is recording on both tuners.

Time is now displayed in the upper right hand corner of TiVo Central.

Streaming is official this time ;)

Android App is launched (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tivophone.android)

[Am_I_Evil]

forced a connection on my XL box...pending restart and is now updating...

[yunlin12]

same here, my TPXL is doing a loooong download now....... are we there yet?

[Joe Siegler]

I've forced a couple of calls tonight. No luck for me.

[TiVoMargret]

TiVo's in California, so if she's at HQ, it's 10:20PM right this minute there.

Edit: For the record, it's cool all this info is being given. That's great stuff! Not thrilled with the KidZone thing, but I'm still eagerly looking forward to the rest of it.

Yes, I'm in California, and although it is past my bedtime I have a bit too much adrenaline to sleep. In addition to my regular design responsibilities, in this case I was also responsible for running the software release. (My first one ever.) So, if there is *anything* you don't like about this new release, it is almost certainly my fault. :)

I had an amazing engineering and program team to work with, and what you see in this update is just the beginning. There are more great things coming to Premiere in 2012.

[Tivogre]

Margret, thanks for being more active / forthcoming on the forums lately!!!

ANY chance of summary release notes hat outline new features / bug fixes?

[jodell]

I second the thanks to Margret. It is great to have regular feedback here and on Twitter. Feeling more like the old days where the people hanging out here were the "in crowd" and had the latest info direct from the source.

[Joe Siegler]

Yes, I'm in California, and although it is past my bedtime I have a bit too much adrenaline to sleep. In addition to my regular design responsibilities, in this case I was also responsible for running the software release. (My first one ever.) So, if there is *anything* you don't like about this new release, it is almost certainly my fault. :)

I had an amazing engineering and program team to work with, and what you see in this update is just the beginning. There are more great things coming to Premiere in 2012.

If it's true that Amazon Prime Streaming is available, then I like that.

Also I really hope the Netflix app gets an update. Of all the things I have that do Netflix streaming (Wii, 360, PS3, PC, iPhone, iPad, PC, Sony Blu-Ray Player, TiVo Premiere), the TiVo is by far and away the worst interface.

I second the thanks to Margret. It is great to have regular feedback here and on Twitter. Feeling more like the old days where the people hanging out Here were the "in crowd" and had the latest info diret for the source.

Isn't that the truth! Look at my signup date. Then the number of posts. There's a reason why my post count is so low, compared to others who signed up around that time. :)

[innocentfreak]

Yes, I'm in California, and although it is past my bedtime I have a bit too much adrenaline to sleep. In addition to my regular design responsibilities, in this case I was also responsible for running the software release. (My first one ever.) So, if there is *anything* you don't like about this new release, it is almost certainly my fault. :)

I had an amazing engineering and program team to work with, and what you see in this update is just the beginning. There are more great things coming to Premiere in 2012.

I definitely can't wait to see what else is coming. I am going to try and let the changes soak for 24 hours before giving any real feedback. I am also curious to see if my opinion matches others since everyone has a different view on what the best design is.

Good luck on the release, and Thanks for dropping in on us.

[Am_I_Evil]

If it's true that Amazon Prime Streaming is available, then I like that.

where'd you hear that? i definitely don't see that option anywhere...

[CoxInPHX]

Thanks Margret, I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve :up::up::up:

[59er]

where'd you hear that? i definitely don't see that option anywhere...
Perhaps the confusion is Amazon streaming vs. Premiere-to-Premiere streaming. The P-to-P streaming is coming, but not until the roll-out is completed to all users.

[tre74]

Love updates! Any word about streaming music in a format other than MP3. Have many tunes ripped in a lossless format that will not stream to TiVo and have to use my PS3, XBOX360 or networked iPod dock to get them to receiver. Really want a Netflix update.

[nrc]

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://i.imgur.com/0bNxs.png

https://twitter.com//tivodesign/status/155132920825257984

Thrilled to see that the TiVo-style guide lives!

[yunlin12]

I like the new version, HD guide both live and grid are nice. NPL is fast. Well done. Can't wait for my other Tivo Premiere to get it so I can do MRS.

The Discovery Bar can be customized, option under the Display Settings.

[aadam101]

Yes, I'm in California, and although it is past my bedtime I have a bit too much adrenaline to sleep. In addition to my regular design responsibilities, in this case I was also responsible for running the software release. (My first one ever.) So, if there is *anything* you don't like about this new release, it is almost certainly my fault. :)

I had an amazing engineering and program team to work with, and what you see in this update is just the beginning. There are more great things coming to Premiere in 2012.

Margret, thank you for being vocal and giving us some info. Tivo employees posting on these forums are rare these days. The fact that you are poking your head out makes me believe this is truly going to be a great update.

Way back in the day, Tivo employees used to post release notes on this forum. It took the guess work out but also allowed experienced users to give instant feedback to any changes they didn't like. Please consider doing this. It hurts me to come here and bash what used to be my favorite gadget as often as I do. I want Tivo to be my favorite gadget in the house but I'm a gadget geek and Tivo just keeps falling lower and lower on my list of favorites.

I've been on this forum for almost a decade (longer than any other forum I post on) and much of love/hate relationship has to do with this forum. It's the only gadget forum I am a part of. I wish Tivo would embrace the users of this forum once again.

[davezatz]

The first wave of the update started rolling about 1AM EST last night. I was asleep, but just grabbed three quick pics and put my post up here:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-01/tivo-begins-massive-premiere-update

Margret is taking requests if you'd like to be added to the priority list:
https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/155162214662291456

[aaronwt]

The first wave of the update started rolling about 1AM EST last night. I was asleep, but just grabbed three quick pics and put my post up here:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-01/tivo-begins-massive-premiere-update

.......

You're a little late. I had mine at 11:40PM EST on my XL. :)

[morac]

Didn't give me the option on my Elite. I tried it and I only got results and Youtube.

Hmm I never use it so I didn't check, but I'm fairly certain it used to be there. I also remember it being in the TiVo Search app for the Series 3. Maybe it was removed at some point and came back.

[davezatz]

You're a little late. I had mine at 11:40PM EST on my XL. :)

Let me rephrase... my PR contact emailed me about 1AM that it was live. :) Regardless, I shut down about 10:15PM. I don't like blogging in the evening - takes away from family time (and TiVo watching).

Update: Your timing also seems to support Engadget's coverage (11:48PM) and I didn't check, but also maybe when Margret started tweeting pics.

[aadam101]

Margret is taking requests if you'd like to be added to the priority list:
https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/155162214662291456

I am very impressed. This is like the Tivo I knew 5-6 years ago. :)

[aaronwt]

I see they also have an official Android App now.
margret tweeted the link


https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tivophone.android

EDIT: I guess I was a little late:o
I see innocentfreak posted it seven hours ago. I missed it when I was reading the posts on my phone.

has anyone tried it out yet?

[tomm1079]

Yes, I'm in California, and although it is past my bedtime I have a bit too much adrenaline to sleep. In addition to my regular design responsibilities, in this case I was also responsible for running the software release. (My first one ever.) So, if there is *anything* you don't like about this new release, it is almost certainly my fault. :)

I had an amazing engineering and program team to work with, and what you see in this update is just the beginning. There are more great things coming to Premiere in 2012.

Thanks for all the info and keeping the community informed Margret. It has been lacking for the last few years so glad to see someone trying again.

Is this the major release that you talked about in December or is a bigger one coming (full HDUI Maybe)

just wondering. Great job and im hoping to see it in my elite soon!

[beobuff]

Well, these modest incremental improvements are all very nice, but I am really looking forward to seeing Max's more attractive cupcakes...

[compnurd]

Cant wait to get this. I do all of my streaming from my PS3 so that is not a huge concern for me.

The only thing i noticed is it looks like the info bar is in the lower part of the screen now.... that would bug the crap out of me. I like the info bar pinned to the top I hope it can be moved

[Saberj]

Cant wait to get this. I do all of my streaming from my PS3 so that is not a huge concern for me.

The only thing i noticed is it looks like the info bar is in the lower part of the screen now.... that would bug the crap out of me. I like the info bar pinned to the top I hope it can be moved

She said it could not be moved. The idea is that it won't cut off heads now. Which I like, honestly. It will take some getting used to , but nothing important happens at the bottom of a show anyway. :cool:

[johnner1999]

She said it could not be moved. The idea is that it won't cut off heads now. Which I like, honestly. It will take some getting used to , but nothing important happens at the bottom of a show anyway. :cool:

I agree 101% the new location just seems "weird" since its new. But I much rather see the upper 2/3 of the screen. good job TiVo!

[bdj6020]

She said it could not be moved. The idea is that it won't cut off heads now. Which I like, honestly. It will take some getting used to , but nothing important happens at the bottom of a show anyway. :cool:

Except sports scores and news tickers. :)

[compnurd]

She said it could not be moved. The idea is that it won't cut off heads now. Which I like, honestly. It will take some getting used to , but nothing important happens at the bottom of a show anyway. :cool:

That was one thing i always thought Direct TV had down well and even in the new UI is the info bar. but we shall see

[davezatz]

I see they also have an official Android App now.

has anyone tried it out yet?

Yah, I loaded it up on a Sprint EPIC I have laying around. Only played with it a few minutes, but was first happy to see it worked on my model (not all apps will...) and seems pretty equivalent to the iOS app. Found my Premiere no problem.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/tivo-android2.jpg

Except sports scores and news tickers. :)

It doesn't go all the way to the bottom. Although I kind of wish it did (as well as the sides) - it'd look a little cleaner I think.

[compnurd]

Yah, I loaded it up on a Sprint EPIC I have laying around. Only played with it a few minutes, but was first happy to see it worked on my model (not all apps will...) and seems pretty equivalent to the iOS app. Found my Premiere no problem.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/tivo-android2.jpg



It doesn't go all the way to the bottom. Although I kind of wish it did (as well as the sides) - it'd look a little cleaner I think.

That is my point, i would rather it consume the entire section, instead of floating in the screen. That is one thing i hate about the current guide is the floating aspect

[mcharkowski]

Now where's that Preview extender box?

[machpost]

Is there any chance these new HD elements will make it to the TiVo Preview? Only the TiVo Central screen on the Preview is in HD.

[bradleys]

As far as I know the Preview is still not available for the retail market...

But to answer your question, Margret has indicated that this release is a major step toward consolidating platforms. So, yes the Preview should ultimately start using the same code base.

Not exactly sure how you have one - but that is the best answer your going to get here.

[davezatz]

So, yes the Preview should ultimately start using the same code base.

Not exactly sure how you have one - but that is the best answer your going to get here.

He could be a RCN customer...

[JosephB]

Margret last night said that MSO-provided boxes will get this software but it will be delayed later than retail customers. The way she worded it, sounds like the MSOs either have to approve the software or they still have to make provider-specific modifications

[Johnwashere]

Margret is taking requests if you'd like to be added to the priority list:
https://twitter.com/#!/tivodesign/status/155162214662291456

Anyone know her Margets email so I can request a priority update??

[ricosuave]

Anyone know her Margets email so I can request a priority update??

margret@tivo.com

[jrtroo]

This appears awesome. Cannot hardly wait.

Two points:

1- I hope that this board can continue with a cooperative relationship with TiVo personnel. We have gotten more information and heads up in the last week than we have in the previous 6 months. Lets try to remain polite and keep the updates coming!

2- I see some comments on speed- any videos or data to support? Perhaps our benchmarking guru is a part of the initial roll out to help us with some comparative goodies?

[oViTynoT]

So... a tilted question.

Is this update enough for those of you who favor the SDUI to switch to the HDUI? ... or have all ya'll ravers been using HDUI as the norm already?

I've got the Elite, and still prefer the SDUI.

[wmhjr]

Well, not to be a downer and I appreciate Margret spending time here but....

I have no real interest in the HDUI unless it is just as fast as the SDUI.

The only thing I can find that I even remotely care about are the guide recording indicators, which I hope are NOT only in the HDUI. If so, there's nothing for me.

For Amazon streaming, based on the fact that I've already given up on Netflix long ago and Amazon HD downloads have been completely and totally broken 100% of the time for me (and others) I'm really not excited there either.

Room to room streaming is of no value to me either since you need multiple Premiere boxes, and the subscription cost increases have killed that for me. I really like the Elite, but it is probably the last Tivo I purchase. Between that and the 2 HDs, Tivo is just pricing themselves out of my home. I'm really hoping that Verizon decides to adopt their technology, as I will otherwise probably move away from Tivo at some point.


Honestly, I'm far less excited about the things we're getting and far more concerned about what bugs may have been introduced.

[gonzotek]

So... a tilted question.

Is this update enough for those of you who favor the SDUI to switch to the HDUI? ... or have all ya'll ravers been using HDUI as the norm already?

I've got the Elite, and still prefer the SDUI.My wife prefers the SDUI, so we're still using that. After I get the update, I plan on having her use the HDUI for a week to see if it's improved enough to keep it on permanently. Her biggest complaint was the speed, but since the last update slowed down deleting items in folders, she's also complained about the SDUI speed recently, so now seems like a great time to give the HDUI another run for it's money.

[machpost]

He could be a RCN customer...

Yep, I've had the Premiere Q and the Preview for almost two months now and they're excellent. I'm guessing there's an exclusivity period on the Preview for MSOs, and that it'll be available for retail eventually.

[aadam101]

Yep, I've had the Premiere Q and the Preview for almost two months now and they're excellent. I'm guessing there's an exclusivity period on the Preview for MSOs, and that it'll be available for retail eventually.


I wonder why they would want exclusivity? I'm sure they could design it do only RCN equipment would work with other RCN equipment. I imagine they could use TSN's to do it very easily.

RCN is such a small provider. Seems like Tivo would fare better without exclusivity agreements with tiny cable operators. I suppose for testing purposes it might be a good thing.

[davezatz]

I'm guessing there's an exclusivity period on the Preview for MSOs, and that it'll be available for retail eventually.

I don't think so... I suspect they're waiting for the Preview to be more full featured/complete and then contemplate releasing it into retail. Conceptually, if they move forward with retail, I'd think they'd have to do it online and in small Magnolia batches as they do with the Elite.

[Tivogre]

The update is installing on one of my Premiere Elites right now. So far none of my other 4 boxes have gotten it upon network connection.

[sbiller]

Post 1 of this thread has been updated to include what is/isn't included in this update. I'm guessing we will see some of the other features released in the months ahead based on Margret's tweets.

[Aero 1]

Yep, I've had the Premiere Q and the Preview for almost two months now and they're excellent. I'm guessing there's an exclusivity period on the Preview for MSOs, and that it'll be available for retail eventually.

can you post pics of the preview? especially the back?

[davezatz]

can you post pics of the preview? especially the back?

Well, I'm not the guy on RCN with the Preview but here are two pics from the Cable Show last summer. Not a great look of the back, but you see the CableCARD slot.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2011-06/tivos-new-hardware-at-the-cable-show/

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tivo-preview-front.jpg

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tivo-preview-rear.jpg

[TerpBE]

The first wave of the update started rolling about 1AM EST last night. I was asleep, but just grabbed three quick pics and put my post up here:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-01/tivo-begins-massive-premiere-update
You watch non-HD channels?!?

[aadam101]

Well, I'm not the guy on RCN with the Preview but here are two pics from the Cable Show last summer. Not a great look of the back, but you see the CableCARD slot.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2011-06/tivos-new-hardware-at-the-cable-show/

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tivo-preview-front.jpg

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tivo-preview-rear.jpg

It's sort of ugly and seems kind big. Have they learned nothing from Apple? Or even Roku? People want gadgets that are small and cute.

[machpost]

can you post pics of the preview? especially the back?

I'll try to post some next week. Won't be around much over the next few days.

[machpost]

It's sort of ugly and seems kind big. Have they learned nothing from Apple? Or even Roku? People want gadgets that are small and cute.

It's a lot smaller than any non-DVR HD box I've ever rented from a cable company.

[davezatz]

You watch non-HD channels?!?

It's kind of a long story... We just moved into short term corporate-style housing as we renovate and sell our home. The new digs come with about 50 channels of DirecTV over QAM. It's all SD unfortunately. In fact, it's rather maddening. I'm sure I'll end up resubscribing to Hulu Plus and Netflix and buying more Amazon or Apple VOD. Maybe even going Blu-ray. As the Internet is weak - we're going from FiOS 25/25 to about 5-6 down, 1-2 up. Ah well, at least it's all hard wired and the speed was sufficient to stream a few episodes of Breaking Bad in pseudo-HD via Amazon on the Roku.

[Joe Siegler]

It's sort of ugly and seems kind big. Have they learned nothing from Apple? Or even Roku? People want gadgets that are small and cute.

You mean like this (http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/04/rokus-streaming-stick-makes-your-dumb-tv-much-smarter/)? :)

I don't see a DVR getting that small, though.

[aaronwt]

It's sort of ugly and seems kind big. Have they learned nothing from Apple? Or even Roku? People want gadgets that are small and cute.

Apple? their AppleTV only outputs at a max resolution of 720P.

[Mike Pfeifer]

Apple? their AppleTV only outputs at a max resolution of 720P.

I could be wrong, but I thought I read a report that iOS 5.1 for apple tv had code for 1080 output. I don't have one, so I don't follow it that closely.

[aaronwt]

I could be wrong, but I thought I read a report that iOS 5.1 for apple tv had code for 1080 output. I don't have one, so I don't follow it that closely.

isn't that just the code in iOS 5.1 that will be used for the next version of AppleTV which will have 1080P? The current version is limited by hardware to 720p isn't it?

[morac]

isn't that just the code in iOS 5.1 that will be used for the next version of AppleTV which will have 1080P? The current version is limited by hardware to 720p isn't it?

Yes it is. The iPhone 4S and iPad 2 are both currently capable of outputting 1080p via HDMI.

[tomm1079]

The update is installing on one of my Premiere Elites right now. So far none of my other 4 boxes have gotten it upon network connection.

on your elite? nice! i was hoping they where getting it to.

[caryrae73]

Any news about getting Xfinity On Demand on the Premieres that was announced a while ago?

[nrc]

It's sort of ugly and seems kind big. Have they learned nothing from Apple? Or even Roku? People want gadgets that are small and cute.

It's a cable company device that may or may not ever be offered at retail. With cable companies cheap and bulletproof is more important than small and cute.

Even if it's offered at retail it's very unlikely that it will ever sell enough boxes to justify the kind of engineering and production expense required to skinny down the otherwise "off-the-shelf" internals.

I would bet that there isn't a retail Preview available now because TiVo is still trying to figure out whether and how they can money on it. Can they price it to sell and make money without a subscription? Particularly since a Preview would likely cannibalize sale of some of their DVRs.

[jrtroo]

since a Preview would likely cannibalize sale of some of their DVRs.

That makes it a risky enterprise to release on retail. If this was only applicable to the Elite, it may not make an impact. Otherwise, at a minimum, it needs to be a subscription with the same margin as a regular P or costly enough that it gives enough cash flow without any subsidy unlike their other units.

My personal guess is that until there are enough of these in the field that they can reduce mfr costs a significant amount they will not come to retail (or if they never move any to cablecos and they drop the product HP tablet style).

[compnurd]

edit

[bradleys]

That makes it a risky enterprise to release on retail. If this was only applicable to the Elite, it may not make an impact. Otherwise, at a minimum, it needs to be a subscription with the same margin as a regular P or costly enough that it gives enough cash flow without any subsidy unlike their other units.

My personal guess is that until there are enough of these in the field that they can reduce mfr costs a significant amount they will not come to retail (or if they never move any to cablecos and they drop the product HP tablet style).

I disagree... Multi-tivo homes are not a sustainable growth market for TiVo, they need to find a way to provide a mass market "whole home dvr". That is what they are missing and they is what everyone is trying to get.

Stand alone devices are not the answer - A central server with extenders is the design that is going to win that race. Do not move in that direction then you might as well close up shop.

[Joe Siegler]

Also, as more and more TV's get this stuff built into them, the need for external boxes (TiVo, Roku, whatever) is lessened. Then there's the possibility of what might come in the Xbox 720, if those rumours are to be believed.

I've been a TiVo fan for ages, and probably will have one until such time that I can't foresee now <g>, but I have wondered about long term sustainability.

However, isn't this conversation better suited for a different thread? This is supposed to be about what's going on with the new software now rolling out.

[Saberj]

It looks like based on some comments She just made on Twitter, MRS has not been enabled yet..

She mentioned before that it wouldn't be until it rolled out to everyone.

[L David Matheny]

I disagree... Multi-tivo homes are not a sustainable growth market for TiVo, they need to find a way to provide a mass market "whole home dvr". That is what they are missing and they is what everyone is trying to get.

Stand alone devices are not the answer - A central server with extenders is the design that is going to win that race. Do not move in that direction then you might as well close up shop.

Maybe long-term, with TVs having more built-in network capabilities, there needs to be a standard way for TVs on the local network to stream from the TiVo server with no additional box required.

[JosephB]

Maybe long-term, with TVs having more built-in network capabilities, there needs to be a standard way for TVs on the local network to stream from the TiVo server with no additional box required.

There is such a standard. It's called RVU and was formed primarily by DirecTV and Samsung, but Cisco and Verizon (among others) are also members of the group. It's a standard that allows the set top box to generate the menus, graphics, and video and send it to a remote display which then simply shows what comes over the wire. The remote display is then responsible for accepting remote commands and sending them back to the server.

The only products using this right now is the new DirecTV Home Media Center HR34 and a few select Samsung TVs. DirecTV is also working to release a small remote box so that TVs that don't have this functionality can still connect to the server, but it's basically a display-less RVU client.

For what its worth, this is DirecTV's answer to AllVid, but I don't think it really meets the spirit of what the FCC wants to do, since EVERYTHING is handled by the server, the entire interface. There's no room for extra services to be added by the client.

[jrtroo]

I know, this is off topic. I'm referring to stand alone Previews. I agree with Tivo- the growth is getting in through the cable cos, as consumer acceptance of a box they buy at retail has not matured. Not that it cannot, but consumers, for the most part, have preferred one-stop-shopping for TV watching.

In other words, I think we agree- but disagree how it would work.

[sbiller]

I know, this is off topic. I'm referring to stand alone Previews. I agree with Tivo- the growth is getting in through the cable cos, as consumer acceptance of a box they buy at retail has not matured. Not that it cannot, but consumers, for the most part, have preferred one-stop-shopping for TV watching.

In other words, I think we agree- but disagree how it would work.

There is another thread discussing the possibility of a retail TiVo Preview -->

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=478344

[jrtroo]

Ok. back on topic.

I'm confused about one aspect of the changes. At first, I thought the entire HDUI was completed, which appeared confirmed by post #1 in this thread.

But, in reading a few tivodesign tweets, and at least one of the competing posts on this topic, it appears that not all of the screens are in HD. Does this include a hybrid of a background update with the same SD screens (which seems indicated earlier in this thread)?

Can someone post a pic?

[JosephB]

Ok. back on topic.

I'm confused about one aspect of the changes. At first, I thought the entire HDUI was completed, which appeared confirmed by post #1 in this thread.

But, in reading a few tivodesign tweets, and at least one of the competing posts on this topic, it appears that not all of the screens are in HD. Does this include a hybrid of a background update with the same SD screens (which seems indicated earlier in this thread)?

Can someone post a pic?

It is not 100% HD yet, but it has improved the situation. I think settings, etc are still SD but the guide and info bars are now HD

[windracer]

Android App is launched (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tivophone.android)
The Marketplace says the app isn't compatible with my device (Toshiba Thrive) so I guess this version is for Android phones only? :confused:

[GriffithStrife]

How do we add users like in this pic, is this a new feature or has it always been there?
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tivo-premiere-users.jpg

[HeatherA]

Also I really hope the Netflix app gets an update. Of all the things I have that do Netflix streaming (Wii, 360, PS3, PC, iPhone, iPad, PC, Sony Blu-Ray Player, TiVo Premiere), the TiVo is by far and away the worst interface.



Isn't that the truth! Look at my signup date. Then the number of posts. There's a reason why my post count is so low, compared to others who signed up around that time. :)

Agree on both counts! This rollout is fun. Feels like the old days... before everyone started hating on TiVo.

[innocentfreak]

Ok. back on topic.

I'm confused about one aspect of the changes. At first, I thought the entire HDUI was completed, which appeared confirmed by post #1 in this thread.

But, in reading a few tivodesign tweets, and at least one of the competing posts on this topic, it appears that not all of the screens are in HD. Does this include a hybrid of a background update with the same SD screens (which seems indicated earlier in this thread)?

Can someone post a pic?

http://twitpic.com/841y88

She just tweeted this which shows it.

[Mike Pfeifer]

How do we add users like in this pic, is this a new feature or has it always been there?
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tivo-premiere-users.jpg

That was an accidentally leaked pic, it is not yet available, and it's not clear if it will actually be incorporated in the future.

[GriffithStrife]

Ah makes sense, that would be great though

[morac]

That was an accidentally leaked pic, it is not yet available, and it's not clear if it will actually be incorporated in the future.

I don't think thats a leaked screen. It looks like the mock up screens from the Premiere press release "demo" a few years back. They were posted on Engadget at the time.

[timstack8969]

Just got software version 20. I love how you can now see "Live TV" when looking at the guide.

[compnurd]

Looks like whoever got her there TSN by midnight last night can download the update. Others to follow shortly