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Anubys
11-26-2011, 03:10 PM
So we finally get a glimpse of the main story arc. And we are given an idea on who the bad guys are (I know it's not that simple). But I really want to mention something that really bothers me about this show so far (and maybe I'm sensitive to this topic).

So we have this "utopia" on Earth. The chance to start new and do things right. And what form of government do they have?

- A dictator who rules over ALL. With the military to back him up.
- He is both judge and jury.
- He has no problem with torture.
- He has no problem killing those who oppose his views.
- He either bribes, intimidates, or both to cover up his actions.
- He has no problem planting evidence against innocent people who might expose him*.
- He is appointed for life, it seems. There is no voting. People should do their job and just be happy.
- He speaks to the masses as the father figure who is tough but with a kind heart (every press secretary of a dictator's wet dream, basically).

That sounds awesome, doesn't it? Utopia my butt.




* How did he know what evidence to plant BEFORE the scientist told him about the frequency and that he fixed the dragonfly? Is it continuity error or did he already know all these facts and is "in" on the conspiracy?

loubob57
11-26-2011, 05:35 PM
My scientific gripe for this episode:

32.8 Hz is subsonic? In a pig's eye. That's a nice deep bass frequency everyone can hear unless you're deaf. And then you'd still be able to feel it.

wprager
11-26-2011, 06:21 PM
Maybe in a pig's ear?

TiVangelist
11-26-2011, 08:06 PM
- A dictator who rules over ALL. With the military to back him up.
- He is both judge and jury.
- He has no problem with torture.
- He has no problem killing those who oppose his views.
- He either bribes, intimidates, or both to cover up his actions.
- He has no problem planting evidence against innocent people who might expose him*.
- He is appointed for life, it seems. There is no voting. People should do their job and just be happy.
- He speaks to the masses as the father figure who is tough but with a kind heart (every press secretary of a dictator's wet dream, basically).



Yes, this bugs me too. No elections? Military rule? Maybe there's an explanation for it that we haven't heard yet. But in the meantime it's really weird.

Vendikarr
11-26-2011, 08:34 PM
How did he know what evidence to plant BEFORE the scientist told him about the frequency and that he fixed the dragonfly? Is it continuity error or did he already know all these facts and is "in" on the conspiracy?

Taylor told the doc that they would release the dragonfly when everyone was at the festival. This implies there was some passage of time between formulating the plan and the actual release. Plenty of time for Taylor to set up a transmitter in the Shannon home.

matt@thehickmans
11-26-2011, 09:41 PM
It looks like I'm on the sixers' side here. Taylor and his crew appear to be willing to let the Earth they came from -- with however many billions alive there -- be destroyed because they are too selfish to allow resources from the past be used to save it.

Idearat
11-26-2011, 11:03 PM
It looks like I'm on the sixers' side here. Taylor and his crew appear to be willing to let the Earth they came from -- with however many billions alive there -- be destroyed because they are too selfish to allow resources from the past be used to save it.

They gave the impression that the plan wasn't to just use some resources, but come and strip mine the planet. Given that the future Earth also had pollution issues, it's not hard to imagine that they'd also pump waste back.

The equally egregious issue with that is that's not how it's presented to the future world. They're being told the new place is being setup from scratch, intended to be cleaner, a new beginning. Instead the powers that be are working hard to exploit the place to keep things going as-is on Earth. Most likely the gate keepers will reap the rewards to be had for bringing things through the portal ( in either direction ).

The people who are there creating a settlement were told they were doing it to create a new colony, not to lay the groundwork for the biggest mine ever.

Rob Helmerichs
11-26-2011, 11:53 PM
And presumably the plan (or at least the public plan) is to send more and more people back as the settlement is able to handle them...

So they can go for a fresh start in the past, or they can strip-mine the past to prolong the problems in the future.

wmcbrine
11-27-2011, 03:08 AM
It looks like I'm on the sixers' side here.

This.

Also, how creepy is it that the kids are doing hero-worship plays about Taylor while he's still alive and in power?

Nice to finally know what's going on, anyway. I didn't expect it to come out all at once like that.

loubob57
11-27-2011, 07:45 AM
This.

Also, how creepy is it that the kids are doing hero-worship plays about Taylor while he's still alive and in power?

Nice to finally know what's going on, anyway. I didn't expect it to come out all at once like that.

Yes children. We must praise the dear leader!

The other thing Taylor made a big point of was some of the 2149 people wanted to "line their pockets" with profits. Damn that capitalism.

Rob Helmerichs
11-27-2011, 07:58 AM
Yes children. We must praise the dear leader!
They're not praising the leader! They're praising the origins of the colony!

(Which just happens to involve a leader who's still alive, but I'm sure that's entirely coincidental.)

cheesesteak
11-27-2011, 11:48 AM
How long has Terra Nova been there, six years?

Anubys
11-27-2011, 12:24 PM
I hope the conflict isn't as simple as what he have been told so far. I assume there are going to be a lot more layers to the story than that.

allan
11-28-2011, 10:02 AM
Yes, this bugs me too. No elections? Military rule? Maybe there's an explanation for it that we haven't heard yet. But in the meantime it's really weird.

I figured the military rule was supposed to be temporary until the colony was established, though that's just my interpretation.

Rob Helmerichs
11-28-2011, 10:29 AM
And the colony is quite young...absurdly so, in light of how developed it is.

sieglinde
11-28-2011, 12:52 PM
Earth First! then we will strip mine the other planets. :)

Azlen
11-28-2011, 01:30 PM
I hope the conflict isn't as simple as what he have been told so far. I assume there are going to be a lot more layers to the story than that.

Considering they are only doing 13 shows this season and next year is a big maybe, I don't think they are going to have the time to be too layered.

Anubys
11-28-2011, 01:33 PM
Considering they are only doing 13 shows this season and next year is a big maybe, I don't think they are going to have the time to be too layered.

True. I guess I should amend my post to say that I hope that was their plan!

cheesesteak
11-28-2011, 01:34 PM
So if the "bad guys" strip mine and pillage the earth in an alternate time line, does it affect the other earth's resources in the other time line?

jschuur
11-28-2011, 01:36 PM
It could be that Taylor is in charge of security matters, and there's an unseen body in charge of the rest.

That Don Guy
11-28-2011, 02:34 PM
My scientific gripe for this episode:

32.8 Hz is subsonic? In a pig's eye. That's a nice deep bass frequency everyone can hear unless you're deaf. And then you'd still be able to feel it.

In fact, I think it's close to the fourth black key from the left on a piano. I get 32.7 Hz as F-sharp just above 4 octaves below Middle C.

loubob57
11-28-2011, 02:51 PM
In fact, I think it's close to the fourth black key from the left on a piano. I get 32.7 Hz as F-sharp just above 4 octaves below Middle C.

I didn't realize there were so many keys on a piano that nobody could hear! :p;)

wmcbrine
11-28-2011, 06:00 PM
So if the "bad guys" strip mine and pillage the earth in an alternate time line, does it affect the other earth's resources in the other time line?

No, at least not if you can believe what was said in the pilot. That's why we refer to them as separate timelines, and not just future/past -- the 2149 they come from is not the future of the world they live in now.

cwerdna
11-29-2011, 09:12 PM
I like this ep w/how much it revealed about the story arc. I didn't care so much for the harvest festival play business...

JYoung
11-29-2011, 09:25 PM
I hope the conflict isn't as simple as what he have been told so far. I assume there are going to be a lot more layers to the story than that.
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Yeah, right.

I figured the military rule was supposed to be temporary until the colony was established, though that's just my interpretation.

Rob can correct me if I'm wrong but historically IIRC, colonies have started off with a "military governor" and as they become more established and grow, evolve a more sophisticated local government with a town council and the like.

Rob Helmerichs
11-29-2011, 10:32 PM
Rob can correct me if I'm wrong but historically IIRC, colonies have started off with a "military governor" and as they become more established and grow, evolve a more sophisticated local government with a town council and the like.
Colonies are a little after my time, but from what I know of journalism ("Anything after the Black Death isn't history; it's journalism"ómy grad school buddy Douglas Lumsden) you have it right.