Some Tivo Premiere Specs

[innocentfreak]

Maybe someone who is keeping up with everything should start the Unofficial thread just to start fresh with what we know for sure.

[TWinbrook46636]

yea, but what is it for ? just CABLE or also satellite ??

Cable and OTA for the TiVo Premiere. No satellite.

[steve614]

Dont think ive seen these posted here yet... pics of the tivo premiere.
http://apimages.ap.org/Search.aspx?st=det&sort=date&id=TiVo&showact=events&prds=10134&intv=3d&sh=10&kwstyle=and&adte=1267558329&pagez=20&cfasstyle=AND&

That's cruel.
I don't want to have to register somewhere just to see one article! :mad:

[MickeS]

yea, but what is it for ? just CABLE or also satellite ??

I can't imagine this will work with satellite.

Scratch that, I can guarantee that it won't, based on the Premiere manual we already saw. :)

[MickeS]

That's cruel.
I don't want to have to register somewhere just to see one article! :mad:

See screenshots above. Those were in the pictures that were removed from the link you quoted.

[steve614]

It appears that the images have been pulled. Would be nice if someone got them and can post them up her.

See screenshots above. Those were in the pictures that were removed from the link you quoted.
Apologies.
Serves me right for not reading the thread all the way through before I post. :o :p

[aus1ander]

I'll be really disappointed if the new UI isn't pushed to older models (ie, THD and S3)...its one of my frustrations with having owned a model from every generation thus far...the software is stuck in 1999.

[Qwijib0]

I'll be really disappointed if the new UI isn't pushed to older models (ie, THD and S3)...its one of my frustrations with having owned a model from every generation thus far...the software is stuck in 1999.

I'll be dissapointed if they _do_ and it's slower than the current interface.

I don't like the SD streched interface, but its slow enough as it is.

[ufo4sale]

I'll be really disappointed if the new UI isn't pushed to older models (ie, THD and S3)...its one of my frustrations with having owned a model from every generation thus far...the software is stuck in 1999.

+1,000,000,000,000

[daveak]

I'll be really disappointed if the new UI isn't pushed to older models (ie, THD and S3)...its one of my frustrations with having owned a model from every generation thus far...the software is stuck in 1999.

I am thinking it will be, I have hear unsubstantiated rumors it was started as an improvement for the Series 3 boxes. And seeing how TiVo loses money on selling new hardware and makes it on subs, there is reason to believe they will want to put it on S3 boxes to keep the sub money coming in. We shall see.

[MediaLivingRoom]

Series 3 is Vista

TiVo HD is Vista with SP1

Tivo Premiere is Windows 7 (same core, cleaned up UI)

[jmill]

I am thinking it will be, I have hear unsubstantiated rumors it was started as an improvement for the Series 3 boxes. And seeing how TiVo loses money on selling new hardware and makes it on subs, there is reason to believe they will want to put it on S3 boxes to keep the sub money coming in. We shall see.

I doubt it. TiVo HD is not on TiVo.com website any longer. This makes me beleive the HD interface will not be delivered to older Series 3 boxes.

[Allanon]

I am thinking it will be, I have hear unsubstantiated rumors it was started as an improvement for the Series 3 boxes. And seeing how TiVo loses money on selling new hardware and makes it on subs, there is reason to believe they will want to put it on S3 boxes to keep the sub money coming in. We shall see.

Plus that interface looks a lot like the TiVo Search Beta that is currently on the TiVo HD and S3 boxes.

[daveak]

Series 3 is Vista

TiVo HD is Vista with SP1

Tivo Premiere is Windows 7 (same core, cleaned up UI)

Then I should get the W7 update for my Vista DVR... :D

[Mahty]

Series 3 is Vista

TiVo HD is Vista with SP1

Tivo Premiere is Windows 7 (same core, cleaned up UI)

But I want Mac OS X. ;)

[daveak]

But I want Mac OS X. ;)

But that is for AppleTV.;)

[larrs]

This can't be all about the Premier and UI. It has to include something else, or "Inventing the DVR...." is a stupid line. It has to be......



Otherwise, I would vote for "Inventing the DVR was just the beginning...we also know how to upgrade a UI and box..."

[MickeS]

This can't be all about the Premier and UI. It has to include something else, or "Inventing the DVR...." is a stupid line. It has to be......



Otherwise, I would vote for "Inventing the DVR was just the beginning...we also know how to upgrade a UI and box..."

I would bet it's about the content delivery. I would also say don't put too much emphasis on the "just the beginning" thing... it's marketing...

[MickeS]

"Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week
TiVo this week is wrapping up the rollout of a host of broadband services that include access to podcasts, games, music, and online movie ticketing, through the user’s living room TV.

The program, which began in November, gives TiVo users who also have broadband connections the ability to access any podcast on the Web, and play the audio on their TV sets.

Jim Denney, TiVo’s vice president of product marketing, said the offerings were a “good fit” for the company. “These are things that are media-oriented,” he said, adding that podcasts are the type of product “that you might take with you, but you also might want to have access to these in the living room.”

The podcasts are read through an RSS application designed in-house by TiVo. the podcasts are played, not recorded, so they don’t use any storage space on the device hard drive, and any ads placed in the bit stream are left intact.

The other Web services include several games, as well as online movie ticketing through Fandango, and access to Live365’s hundreds of Internet radio stations. All the services are available to any broadband-connected TiVo user at no additional charge.

The service was offered to TiVo users along with a set of services from Yahoo!, including access to Yahoo! Photos through the TV, and weather and traffic reports. the Yahoo! services are currently not monetized through ads, but according to Denney, the portal may choose to place ads on them in the future.

Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week"

http://trending.actofrage.com/?p=2181

Tags: jim denney, living room, offerings

I had to check the date on that link to make sure it wasn't from 2 years ago... they have all of that stuff now, just with a crappy UI. Maybe they're updating the UI now.

EDIT: OK, it was from 4 years ago. :)

[magnus]

+1

But I want Mac OS X. ;)

[hurl03]

"Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week
TiVo this week is wrapping up the rollout of a host of broadband services that include access to podcasts, games, music, and online movie ticketing, through the user’s living room TV.

The program, which began in November, gives TiVo users who also have broadband connections the ability to access any podcast on the Web, and play the audio on their TV sets.

Jim Denney, TiVo’s vice president of product marketing, said the offerings were a “good fit” for the company. “These are things that are media-oriented,” he said, adding that podcasts are the type of product “that you might take with you, but you also might want to have access to these in the living room.”

The podcasts are read through an RSS application designed in-house by TiVo. the podcasts are played, not recorded, so they don’t use any storage space on the device hard drive, and any ads placed in the bit stream are left intact.

The other Web services include several games, as well as online movie ticketing through Fandango, and access to Live365’s hundreds of Internet radio stations. All the services are available to any broadband-connected TiVo user at no additional charge.

The service was offered to TiVo users along with a set of services from Yahoo!, including access to Yahoo! Photos through the TV, and weather and traffic reports. the Yahoo! services are currently not monetized through ads, but according to Denney, the portal may choose to place ads on them in the future.

Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week"

http://trending.actofrage.com/?p=2181

Tags: jim denney, living room, offerings

Seriously - that article is from 2006...

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=38863

[MediaLivingRoom]

"Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week
TiVo this week is wrapping up the rollout of a host of broadband services that include access to podcasts, games, music, and online movie ticketing, through the user’s living room TV.

The program, which began in November, gives TiVo users who also have broadband connections the ability to access any podcast on the Web, and play the audio on their TV sets.

Jim Denney, TiVo’s vice president of product marketing, said the offerings were a “good fit” for the company. “These are things that are media-oriented,” he said, adding that podcasts are the type of product “that you might take with you, but you also might want to have access to these in the living room.”

The podcasts are read through an RSS application designed in-house by TiVo. the podcasts are played, not recorded, so they don’t use any storage space on the device hard drive, and any ads placed in the bit stream are left intact.

The other Web services include several games, as well as online movie ticketing through Fandango, and access to Live365’s hundreds of Internet radio stations. All the services are available to any broadband-connected TiVo user at no additional charge.

The service was offered to TiVo users along with a set of services from Yahoo!, including access to Yahoo! Photos through the TV, and weather and traffic reports. the Yahoo! services are currently not monetized through ads, but according to Denney, the portal may choose to place ads on them in the future.

Tivo will officially roll out Home Media Apps this week"

http://trending.actofrage.com/?p=2181

Tags: jim denney, living room, offerings

From 2006??

[Mahty]

From 2006??

A.D.?

[Generic]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/500x_tivo.jpg

[jakerome]

Home Media Apps is the news? Cripes. Everyone with a TiVo owns about 3 computers-- does anyone care about buying movie tickets?

Podcasts are nice, but what we really want is high-quality video content. *cough* Hulu *cough*

[jakerome]

Oh thank goodness that's a prank.

[MickeS]

Home Media Apps is the news?

No. As mentioned above, that article is FOUR years old. :)

[Peter Miller]

Home Media Apps is the news? Cripes. Everyone with a TiVo owns about 3 computers-- does anyone care about buying movie tickets?

Podcasts are nice, but what we really want is high-quality video content. *cough* Hulu *cough*

TiVo will never get Hulu, the networks don't want Hulu on people's TV's, they want it contained on PC screens. It's why Hulu has been fighting to keep it off of Boxee.

[larrs]

No. As mentioned above, that article is FOUR years old. :)

Thank God.

[daveak]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10462438-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

[MickeS]

TiVo will never get Hulu, the networks don't want Hulu on people's TV's, they want it contained on PC screens. It's why Hulu has been fighting to keep it off of Boxee.

You're right, of course, even though a TV is just a big PC screen these days anyway...

[test drive]

No. As mentioned above, that article is FOUR years old. :)

if that is true, i got head faked here...it popped up on a google search of blogs and posted in "last hour"...i intended no prank, and will pull it...

[bbowen]

Why is no one liveblogging this event? This is the worst trickle of information ever! Heck, Tivo should broadcast the event on its website!

I've been without my Tivo for a few months and using the terrible Time Warner box. I've been holding out buying a Tivo for this announcement.

It'd better work with TW or else I'll be pissed. Not that anyone cares! ;)

[Series3User]

From CNET, just posted:

March 2, 2010 3:42 PM PST
TiVo unveils Series4 'Premiere' DVRs with enhanced online integration
by John P. Falcone


TiVo Premiere (Credit: TiVo)

NEW YORK--TiVo on Tuesday officially announced two new DVRs that offer an updated user interface and enhanced integration and search capabilities for online video. The TiVo Premiere and TiVo Premiere XL models will cost $300 and $500, respectively, when they ship in April; like all previous TiVo models, they'll also require a monthly, yearly, or lifetime service fee as well.
TiVo Premiere HD DVR (photos)

The new Premiere models, details of which had been rumored and leaked in previous weeks, are the first Series4 models from the DVR manufacturer. The fourth-generation products boast an updated interface and feature set. The highlights:

Tight integration of TV and Web-based video content: An upgraded search function now ropes in results from compatible online video sources--including Netflix, Amazon Video On Demand, YouTube, and Blockbuster--as well as your TV listings. In other words, the TiVo is telling you what's available across all of those content sources. Search for "The Office," and you'll get a list of upcoming episodes on your local stations, as well as streaming versions available on Netflix, Amazon, and so forth.

TiVo Premiere screen

The TiVo Premiere interface utilizes the full-range of a wide-screen HD screen.
(Credit: TiVo)

HD wide-screen interface: The Series3 TiVo models handled HD video, but the interface itself was a standard-def holdover that was almost a decade old. Series4 delivers a user interface in true high definition, and it uses the full real estate available on a wide-screen display. (TiVo touts it as a Flash-based interface, though that should not imply compatibility with all Flash-based content from the Web, such as Hulu.) The interface always leaves a picture-in-picture window of the currently playing video (live TV or recording) in the upper right-hand corner. Also included is the much requested capacity meter, which lets users know how much free space is left on their DVR.

Additional content partners: Beyond Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, Blockbuster, and Rhapsody--already available on current Series3 TiVos--the new TiVos (and older Series3 models) will be getting Pandora and FrameChannel access "in the coming months." Already available on some digital photo frame products, FrameChannel aggregates news, weather, and photo feeds that the user can customize.

TiVo QWERTY remote

The Bluetooth QWERTY remote is available as an optional accessory.
(Credit: TiVo)

New remote options: The default remote that ships with the Premiere DVRs is a slight derivation of TiVo's famous "peanut" controller, but it now includes A, B, C, and D buttons for one-click contextual menu changes (such as sorting recorded program lists). More enticing will be a step-up remote (sold separately) that includes a slide-up QWERTY keyboard, similar to a smartphone. The keyboard is designed to make for easier text entry (for searches and Web content) than when using the onscreen keyboard. The remote will communicate with the Premiere DVRs (or TiVo HD/Series3 models) via an included USB Bluetooth dongle.

The $300 Premiere model includes a 320GB hard drive, which TiVo says will accommodate 45 hours of HD video or 400 hours of standard-def (or any combination thereof). The $500 XL model expands capacity to 1TB (150 HD hours/1,350 standard-def hours), and adds THX certification to boot. Like their predecessors, neither TiVo includes built-in Wi-Fi. Users who need to go beyond the default wired Ethernet connections will need to purchase the upcoming 802.11n Wi-Fi dongle ($90). These TiVos also drop a built-in phone modem, though a USB adapter will be available for $30 from TiVo's Web site (using the slow phone lines in lieu of broadband will limit users to only program listing updates).

We'll be posting a follow-up soon that offers additional information and hands-on impressions from the TiVo launch event.

[Grakthis]

Why is no one liveblogging this event? This is the worst trickle of information ever! Heck, Tivo should broadcast the event on its website!

I've been without my Tivo for a few months and using the terrible Time Warner box. I've been holding out buying a Tivo for this announcement.

It'd better work with TW or else I'll be pissed. Not that anyone cares! ;)

You mean like this?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/life-from-tivos-one-box-press-event/

[MickeS]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10462438-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

"like all previous TiVo models, they'll also require a monthly, yearly, or lifetime service fee as well"...

Well, there goes my hope of a sub-less version with limited recording capability that would act as a media player...

I think it's a mistake not to offer that, but it's obviously not part of TiVos business model.

[hurl03]

Why is no one liveblogging this event? This is the worst trickle of information ever! Heck, Tivo should broadcast the event on its website!

I've been without my Tivo for a few months and using the terrible Time Warner box. I've been holding out buying a Tivo for this announcement.

It'd better work with TW or else I'll be pissed. Not that anyone cares! ;)

live blog on engadget...

[Allanon]

Why is no one liveblogging this event? This is the worst trickle of information ever! Heck, Tivo should broadcast the event on its website!

TiVo put an embargo on all new from the event until 7:00pm EST.

[hurl03]

TiVo put an embargo on all new from the event until 7:00pm EST.

looks like they got started @6:51

[bbowen]

April!!??! Come on!!!

[davezatz]

My post is up:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2010-03/the-tivo-premiere-is-here/

I'll take questions live on the TCF in about 45 minutes if we can pull it off. :)

[MickeS]

We should probably use that other TiVo Premiere thread now...

[jakerome]

You're right, of course, even though a TV is just a big PC screen these days anyway...

Unless they can charge. $5/month for Hulu access for TiVo users.

[audioscience]

My post is up:
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2010-03/the-tivo-premiere-is-here/

I'll take questions live on the TCF in about 45 minutes if we can pull it off. :)

From Dave for those of you who were wondering:

TiVo Series 3 and HD owners will never see the new UI and are out of luck. I assume it’s mostly due to prior generation processing power and architecture. But it also makes reasonable business sense to draw the line in the sand somewhere. That’s not to say your (our) platform is dead.

[MediaLivingRoom]

Same 2 tuner feature, WTF!@!@!

[innocentfreak]

yeah that is definitely disappointing but not surprising with TiVo. If you could record everything you wanted, would you need to buy Amazon or use Netflix?

[Philmatic]

New hardware, shorter, new CPU, 100% flash interface (HD), includes space meter, new QWERTY slider remote (not included), pandora and rhapsody, web sourced tv show guide information...
$299/$399 for 320GB/1TB

NO Tru2Way
NO Hulu
NO addition internet video for that matter
NO extra tuners
NO true multi-room-viewing (streaming, not copying)
NO unified now playing list
NO higher amount of space (1tb is the best they can do? That's $70 at worst!)

Later TiVo...

[TWinbrook46636]

No. As mentioned above, that article is FOUR years old. :)

One wouldn't necessarily know that given that this is TiVo we are talking about. :p

[wublet]

Are you sure your DSL is that fast? I didn't realize the DSL tech had improved that much. Are you getting your Bytes and Bits mixed?

Not that it matters a lot any more, but yes, all the figures were in bits per second, not bytes. Sorry if my capitalization was misleading.

I'm a little surprised that some people seem so skeptical that non-cableco, non-telco, residential-service DSL ISPs actually exist. But I'm happy to prove it; here's my current ISP, Sonic.net (both prices for dynamic IP address):

- 6mbps @ $35, ADSL residential: http://sonic.net/sales/broadband/dsl/residential.php?newcircuit=yes

- 18mbps @ $55/mo, ADSL2+ residential (where available): http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/

This is not some exotic edge case ISP. Before Sonic.net I had a number of other DSL ISPs at residential addresses, for example Covad and NorthPoint, all at rates about comparable to the 6mbps plan. In my experience (I'm 50, have been buying ISP service since about 1983), real DSL ISPs have always been a good buy if you're serious about having solid net access, and they seem much more reliable than cableco or telco ISP services given my friends' reports. Though I'm sure there must be people with different experiences than mine.

[innocentfreak]

TiVo hands on with Video at engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/tivo-premiere-hands-on/) - and last one for good measure

[MichaelK]

hmmm- maybe BB has a deal with studios to get movies early before anyone else?

anyone notice the engadget screen cap with the gold star folder in the NPL for 'in theaters now'?

anything real- or just tivo's dream?

[wmcbrine]

Agreed. What I haven't isn't broken and I don't want them fixing it. Unless it means I can now play Pong on my TiVo.Pong could be done in HME really easily. I'm just not sure how the paddles ought to be controlled...

I think that the reason it was so slow in beta is because it was an HME app.Yes, but the reason HME is slow is because it has to go to the network for everything. If the HME app were running on the same machine as the renderer, it could have pretty good performance, as it does even over the LAN.

I think the S3 hardware would be capable of handling the new interface, if it worked this way. The demos all used standard HME effects. But apparently TiVo chose to implement the new interface in Flash, to take advantage of the Flash capabilities in their new chip. That won't work on the S3. However, it's just barely possible that the Premiere is using an HME -> Flash layer (the Premiere probably has a Flash-based HME renderer, since it still supports HME), and that this interface (or most of it) could still be rendered using the traditional HME renderer on the older systems.

[chestnu1]

I noticed from the hands on video on engadet that the new UI has that window that shows whats on tv right now while the menu is up in the upper right hand corner. Most of the video was during a commercial break but you can tell that was american idol.

[davezatz]

However, it's just barely possible that the Premiere is using an HME -> Flash layer (the Premiere probably has a Flash-based HME renderer, since it still supports HME)

This is beyond my skill and knowledge, but when chatting at CES I asked if Flash meant the end of HME and they said not necessarily, that some of the stuff they were showing me on Premiere was still HME. But I *feel* (versus *know*) that they want to move it to something else? Wish I had more info for you to go on.