Dexter 11/15/09

[spikedavis]

You know...I hate to say I told you so. :)

weren't Rob and I the only ones insisting Trinity didn't kill Lundy? It's the oldest trick in the screenwriters guide to misdirection!

[packerfan]

You know...I hate to say I told you so. :)

weren't Rob and I the only ones insisting Trinity didn't kill Lundy? It's the oldest trick in the screenwriters guide to misdirection!

I think that the female reporter killed Lundy. Not sure what her motive was, but that's my prediction and I'm sticking to it!

[nataylor]

You know...I hate to say I told you so. :)

weren't Rob and I the only ones insisting Trinity didn't kill Lundy? It's the oldest trick in the screenwriters guide to misdirection!

I thought it was Quinn! That counts for something. :)

But now, yeah, I'm going with the reporter. She's the only one who fits the height requirement. I have no idea what the motive would be.

[Magnolia88]

How tall is Quinn? Taller than whatshisface, right?

I think it's the reporter too, but I have no idea what motive she would have. There has to be some reason she is still on the show.

[nataylor]

She's Trinity's younger half-sister!

[getreal]

You know...I hate to say I told you so. :)

weren't Rob and I the only ones insisting Trinity didn't kill Lundy? It's the oldest trick in the screenwriters guide to misdirection!

Nope, I called it first ... right after Lundy and Deb were shot:

I don't think it was the Trinity Killer, because he was to bludgeon his next victim at the same location as 30 years prior. Shooting is loud and attracts attention. Also not part of his M.O.
I'm onboard with the notion that it is the Vacation Killers. They use loud guns, and Lundy and Morgan looked like a couple of tourists outside of the motel.
If Anton were to be the perp (which is my least likely suspect), then he would take out Lundy first as the male threat, and then have a face-to-face confrontation with Deb to let her know what she caused to take place. And he would finish the deed with her. But she was clearly not mortally wounded.

I think it's a red herring about Trinity as the shooter. But I could be wrong, as the whole scene with Trinity confronting Lundy with the bump, and Lundy's obvious glimpse of the shooter just before the shots, seem to point us in that direction.

But here's a new theory -- could it be crooked Quinn? I'm thinking he will be written out of the series since Dex caught him red-handed and has since rebuffed Quinn's attempts to suddenly be his pal. Quinn seems to resent Lundy, and would be the sort to spare Debra by wounding her while also vicariously hurting Dexter.

Just a thought ...

I like the new theory about the reporter being the shooter. Looks like that will be the direction or twist. If she can't GET the story, she'll CREATE the story. She admitted that she is under a LOT of pressure to keep her job.

Deb looks MUCH better in her bra than in her shirt.

[Rob Helmerichs]

You know...I hate to say I told you so. :)

weren't Rob and I the only ones insisting Trinity didn't kill Lundy? It's the oldest trick in the screenwriters guide to misdirection!
I don't know, I kind of like saying I told you so. :D

But as I said back then, if Trinity were the killer, they would have shown him doing it.

It was fun watching Matsuka watch Deb take off her top to show him the scars. That expression of intense bliss was perfect.

[SNJpage1]

Maybe the reported shot Deb because Deb wouldn't give her an interview and Lundy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[nataylor]

Maybe the reported shot Deb because Deb wouldn't give her an interview and Lundy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But didn't she want the interview because of the shooting?

[gossamer88]

But didn't she want the interview because of the shooting?

Yes of course.

And where is this Rita storyline going? Makes no sense.

[walkerism]

I said the reporter first but know one believe me.

[getreal]

Well, if the reporter shot Deb, then it will be Dexter's mission to take her for a boat ride on the "Slice of Life".

[nataylor]

Well, if the reporter shot Deb, then it will be Dexter's mission to take her for a boat ride on the "Slice of Life".

I bet Trinity does it for him. A woman is due next for his cycle.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I bet Trinity does it for him. A woman is due next for his cycle.
Ah, you just want to see her naked in the bathtub.

Then again, it would be naked in a bathtub with John Lithgow...

[marksman]

I am going to have a hard time accepting the reporter shot deb.

Seems like a massive cop out. It would better just being some random. There has been no hint at all that she would have done any sort of such thing and would not make any sense to me.

[Peter000]

Why were they assuming the shooter was standing? As they were giving the explanation I thought that the killer could have been bracing her/himself against the hood of a pickup or SUV. That would have put the gun at about the right height as well. That way it could have been anybody.

[MonsterJoe]

It's still Trinity :p

[vertigo235]

It was mini trinity!

[aforkosh]

How tall was Anton (Deb's boyfriend)?

[photoshopgrl]

Why couldn't the shot have come from out a car window with the person sitting inside? I don't get the impression a person standing in the middle of a hotel parking lot with a gun would be a smart way to gun someone down. Just a thought.

[Jeeters]

Why were they assuming the shooter was standing? As they were giving the explanation I thought that the killer could have been bracing her/himself against the hood of a pickup or SUV. That would have put the gun at about the right height as well. That way it could have been anybody.

Why couldn't the shot have come from out a car window with the person sitting inside? I don't get the impression a person standing in the middle of a hotel parking lot with a gun would be a smart way to gun someone down. Just a thought.They said that the gun casings and power residue on Deb's shirt put the shooter only 5' away.

[orangeboy]

They said that the gun casings and power residue on Deb's shirt put the shooter only 5' away.

This made it too incredible for me. At a distance of 5' in a quiet, deserted parking lot, how in the world did the shooter get the drop on not one, but two experienced law enforcement agents?! OK, they were engrossed in conversation, but 5 feet and neither one noticed a person walking up to them?

[danterner]

This made it too incredible for me. At a distance of 5' in a quiet, deserted parking lot, how in the world did the shooter get the drop on not one, but two experienced law enforcement agents?! OK, they were engrossed in conversation, but 5 feet and neither one noticed a person walking up to them?

I'm thinking of that scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the knights storm the castle. They emerge from the forest and start out across a field, toward the castle a great distance away, but the next moment thanks to a jump-cut they have arrived and slaughter the castle guards. Maybe it was like that. :)

[Magnolia88]

How tall was Anton (Deb's boyfriend)?

Anton is pretty tall. Way taller than Masuka.

[lew]

Maybe someone who know's Trinity is a serial killer and killed Lundy to protect him. Wife or one of his kids.

[danterner]

Maybe someone who know's Trinity is a serial killer and killed Lundy to protect him. Wife or one of his kids.

That's an interesting thought. The son has had enough screen time to be in the running, I suppose. If Trinity's son is a killer, too, then the show would be further exploring the whole parent/child theme that is such an integral part of the show (Harry and Dexter, Dexter and his new child, etc).

[milo99]

That's an interesting thought. The son has had enough screen time to be in the running, I suppose. If Trinity's son is a killer, too, then the show would be further exploring the whole parent/child theme that is such an integral part of the show (Harry and Dexter, Dexter and his new child, etc).

hmm.. i kinda like this better than the reporter.

and i loved Dexter holding on the Trinity's hand debating whether or not to help him up just.. just to kill him later, or just let him go. heh.

[lew]

If I'm right the reporter will print a Trinity story and will then be the next victim of the Trinity protector.

[sonnik]

Is Quinn becoming Doakes?

Or is he going to figure it out, just in time for reporter to be killed - which lets Quinn understand why Dexter does what he does?

I'm thinking he's going to read up on Lila, and find out she's been reported missing in France.

[getreal]

... and i loved Dexter holding on the Trinity's hand debating whether or not to help him up just.. just to kill him later, or just let him go. heh.

Oh yeah! I remember thinking about how quickly there were so many other volunteers on the worksite at that moment. Imagine if Dex had injected Arthur as originally planned -- how would he have ever gotten the two of them out of there without being caught? That would have been really sloppy on his part. He usually hunts and kills under the cover of night.

Dex had prepped his motel room and was headed to Arthur's room at 4:45 am (by the clock radio on his night stand). After realizing Arthur was not in his room, Dex ran to the parking lot where he found Arthur's truck to be parked with his tools missing. It was the black of night, as the time could have been about 4:50 am by then. Then Dex ran down the street while the narrative had him telling us that the site was "walking distance", yet in the next scene it's past sunrise and well into the early morning light (I'd guess around 7 am -- depending on the time of year, but the shadows indicate the sun was even higher in the sky). Dex had his syringe full of M-99 ready when he realized Arthur was going to jump, so he was fully planning on taking him away and completing his mission.

Note to the continuity people on the set ... that indicated a time difference of at least an hour or two from the one scene to the next. Tsk-tsk.

[MrGreg]

Imagine if Dex had injected Arthur as originally planned -- how would he have ever gotten the two of them out of there without being caught?

The problem with killing Trinity is bigger than that ...

Dexter is always very careful to remain anonymous, which he mentioned in this episode as why he'd have to delay after the failed attempt. But with all his other victims, Dexter had no obvious connection whatsoever. So when someone goes missing, he's not in any way connected. And most of them are known criminals anyway, so I doubt the police would put much effort into a missing person report, or they blame it one someone else, like the photographer's assistant this time.

But with Trinity, he's a well known pillar in the community. And his family know Dexter's (Kyle's) face. Trinity goes missing, his family will report it. The police start asking questions, the new friend Kyle stops coming around, I could see a scenario where the police are looking for "Kyle" to ask about the disappearance. This is not something Dexter wants. It seems like he's gotten too close, and I'm not sure how he can get away from this totally clean.

[balboa dave]

This made it too incredible for me. At a distance of 5' in a quiet, deserted parking lot, how in the world did the shooter get the drop on not one, but two experienced law enforcement agents?! OK, they were engrossed in conversation, but 5 feet and neither one noticed a person walking up to them?I think the key to that was the look on Lundy's face just before the shooting. He saw someone coming and only reacted with what I interpreted as a slightly puzzled look, and certainly without any sense of danger. My first guess, after watching the aftermath, and eliminating the VK and Trinity as being too obvious, was that it was the reporter, as she was the only one who got a material reward due to the incident, a story and the return of Quinn's attention and affection after he flat out told her to stay away. But until Deb used her wounds to determine the trajectory and therefore height of the assailant, my only proof was based on the observation that women who show their breasts on this show turn out to be crazy and/or murderous.

[Sirius Black]

my only proof was based on the observation that women who show their breasts on this show turn out to be crazy and/or murderous.

Rita is not crazy/murderous.

I can't believe a report would murder to get a story. Sure, they manufacture stories, they exaggerate, they doctor photos, and flat out ignore basic journalism ethics, but murder, that's going too far. It is probably someone else.

[robojerk]

Trinity's wife is pretty short. Maybe he's more truthful with his family than we believe.

I hope Rita doesn't cheat on Dexter with the neighbor. I know it's probably an obvious story line that since his dark passenger needs to prowl that his absence may make her stray.

Him killing that innocent guy may make Dexter more dark. There was little to no consequence Dexter had to face for killing the innocent guy.

[TAsunder]

The reporter really wants to interview deb, so I think it's her. This show really enjoys it when cops sleep with the big bad guys too. Maybe we'll get a big reveal about her being related to Trinity similar to season 1's reveal.

[lew]

The police will have to find Trinity's body. The bodies of the "lesser" "victims" are thrown out to sea. The police found the body of the ice box killer, Miguel's body and Skinner.

I agree if Trinity just went missing "Kyle" might be a suspect.

I suspect the tourist/vacation killer will get "credit" for Trinity's death.






The problem with killing Trinity is bigger than that ...

Dexter is always very careful to remain anonymous, which he mentioned in this episode as why he'd have to delay after the failed attempt. But with all his other victims, Dexter had no obvious connection whatsoever. So when someone goes missing, he's not in any way connected. And most of them are known criminals anyway, so I doubt the police would put much effort into a missing person report, or they blame it one someone else, like the photographer's assistant this time.

But with Trinity, he's a well known pillar in the community. And his family know Dexter's (Kyle's) face. Trinity goes missing, his family will report it. The police start asking questions, the new friend Kyle stops coming around, I could see a scenario where the police are looking for "Kyle" to ask about the disappearance. This is not something Dexter wants. It seems like he's gotten too close, and I'm not sure how he can get away from this totally clean.

[getreal]

I hope Rita doesn't cheat on Dexter with the neighbor. I know it's probably an obvious story line that since his dark passenger needs to prowl that his absence may make her stray.

I think her inebriated flirtations and revelations ("I was a dress-over-the-head party girl") will lead to the neighbor taking things too far and sexually assaulting her, but I don't think she would actually consent. And there will be consequences when Dex finds/figures it out.

Him killing that innocent guy may make Dexter more dark. There was little to no consequence Dexter had to face for killing the innocent guy.

Yet. Then again, it may turn out that the photographer wasn't completely innocent. But Dex has pushed the boundaries of his code. And the new boundaries may include more than multiple-murderers.

The reporter really wants to interview deb, so I think it's her. This show really enjoys it when cops sleep with the big bad guys too. Maybe we'll get a big reveal about her being related to Trinity similar to season 1's reveal.

I doubt that last part.

But I wonder where they're going with Angel and La Guerta's relationship. It's gonna' hafta' be relevant to the storyline somewhere, or there would be no reason to hook them up.

[Spire]

I am going to have a hard time accepting the reporter shot deb.

Seems like a massive cop out.http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u217/noordzdale/horatio460.jpg

YEEAAAAH!

[getreal]

The police will have to find Trinity's body. The bodies of the "lesser" "victims" are thrown out to sea. The police found the body of the ice box killer, Miguel's body and Skinner.

I agree if Trinity just went missing "Kyle" might be a suspect.

I suspect the tourist/vacation killer will get "credit" for Trinity's death.

First, one of the Vacation Killers was killed by his partner, and she is incarcerated. And since Trinity is still walking around while she is "in the system", there can be no connection between his eventual death and her.

Another body was Doakes -- although he wasn't directly killed by Dex. But you were referring to people Dex was directly responsible for killing.

If Arthur is reported as missing, they don't know enough about "Kyle" to point in a specific direction. He is more of a drifter who was banished from his family. However, I would think there would be lots of candid photos of a charitable build and the volunteers. Not that Dex would want to participate in the photos, but some shots might have been snapped without his knowledge.

[nataylor]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u217/noordzdale/horatio460.jpg

YEEAAAAH!

When the find her body wrapped in newspapers... "What's black and white, and dead all over."

[robojerk]

I really doubt the report show Deb..

I still think I'm right about maybe it's Trinity's wife. She's short, but then again next to John Lithgow most people are short. When the deer was hit and we saw Trinity turned into a sniveling child I doubt he could man up and break out of his MO to get stop an investigation. He said he jumped in with both feet with his family so maybe she (his wife) knows about his needs and cares so much for her family that she killed Lundy to protect it.

BUT IF it turns out to be the reporter I tried to think of some scenarios that would seem relevant.

#1 Deb was investigating women her father may have slept with, so a lost psycho half sister that caught wind of Deb during her investigating the father?? (thats pushing it in my opinion)
#2 It's easier to make news than report news (has happened in real life, my favorite reason)
#3 A Trinity connection like sister, daughter, etc.. Once again pushing I think this would be corny.

[nataylor]

I really doubt the report show Deb..

I still think I'm right about maybe it's Trinity's wife. She's short, but then again next to John Lithgow most people are short.
I'd be willing to believe that, but only because I recognized the actress who played his wife and bet she's going to have a bigger role.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I'd be willing to believe that, but only because I recognized the actress who played his wife and bet she's going to have a bigger roll.
Maybe a cheese Danish? :D

[nataylor]

Maybe a cheese Danish? :D

You keep your mitts off my homonyms! ;)

[Family]

I remember the season when Dexter flew to France to kill that woman he knew. That suspended any belief that the show cared about "sloppy details." Dexter's visa shows he went to France for a day and a woman who could possibly be identified as a friend is found dead.

The show is great so I give it this license.

[MickeS]

I am going to have a hard time accepting the reporter shot deb.

Seems like a massive cop out. It would better just being some random. There has been no hint at all that she would have done any sort of such thing and would not make any sense to me.
I agree, though in the back of my mind the law of economy of characters (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/GLOSSARY/50309011/1005) has always dictated that it be her or Anton, and now with the height issue, it seems like she is a likely candidate. Unless they come up with some great reason, it just seems very odd... we'll see.

The rest of the episode was fantastic, I thought. The scene with Dexter and Trinity on the roof was edge-of-the-seat material for me. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[zuko3984]

This made it too incredible for me. At a distance of 5' in a quiet, deserted parking lot, how in the world did the shooter get the drop on not one, but two experienced law enforcement agents?! OK, they were engrossed in conversation, but 5 feet and neither one noticed a person walking up to them?

The shooter was behind Deb so she wouldn't have seen anyone and I don't think just seeing a random person walking in a parking lot would put up any sort of red flag. FBI guy just probably thought it was just someone walking to there car or walking through. Then the person pulls out a gun and by then it's too late. It's not like they were expecting to be attacked it was probably the farthest thing from there minds.

[zuko3984]

I remember the season when Dexter flew to France to kill that woman he knew. That suspended any belief that the show cared about "sloppy details." Dexter's visa shows he went to France for a day and a woman who could possibly be identified as a friend is found dead.

The show is great so I give it this license.

Did they find her dead. I don't remember but Dexter usually just makes his victims disappear. If she just disappears and no one reports her missing since she really has no friends or family then no one will even think to connect her with Dexter.

[sonnik]

If she just disappears and no one reports her missing since she really has no friends or family then no one will even think to connect her with Dexter.

In the show's timeline, that was two years ago. She lived in some sort of Condo or Apartment (remember, she vacated Miami on short notice - so Dexter probably stopped by a few months later); I'm sure a landlord or utilities would figure out she was missing.

I don't think they would have inserted the bit about Masuka talking to Quinn without reason; I'm sure Quinn will start getting suspicious and realize she hasn't been heard from in some time.

Of course, there's a possibility that Quinn figures out Dex only goes after bad guys...

[Rob Helmerichs]

Of course, there's a possibility that Quinn figures out Dex only goes after bad guys...
That wouldn't be much of a comfort, considering what he knows Dexter saw him do...

[lew]

Who shot Deb? I'll spoilerize this, although it's more speculation then a real spoiler.

TVGuide.com: How about Deb? Can you give us any clue as to who shot her now that we know it's not Trinity?
Velez: The only hint I can give is that one of the things the show is all about is family and the effect family has on you. And that's all I'm going to say!


It's basically the same as what some of us have been speculating.

[madscientist]

I don't think they would have inserted the bit about Masuka talking to Quinn without reason; I'm sure Quinn will start getting suspicious and realize she hasn't been heard from in some time.I'm sure that there's no way they will go there. The reason they wrote the Masuka bit in was to have Quinn make more trouble for Dexter with Rita or similar. Now that he knows this bit of information, plus seeing Dex at that club, he can cause problems.

[sharkster]

I don't know. I'm not buying the whole height thing because, as others have said already, why would the killer necessarily have to be standing upright at the time of shooting. I'm kind of lost but I would agree that there has to be something up about the reporter because, other than seeing her nekkid, what purpose does she really serve?

I cannot stand Quinn and I really hope Dexter gets to kill him. In fact, kill him now! Geez, I cannot bear the thought of having to see him anymore.

The Angel affair - geez, who knew? LMAO Of course they would end up together again. That was such a no-brainer and talk about a storyline that seems to have no merit. They have really trivialized him this season. Too bad for that.